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HaloGAF |OT: Anniversary| So fades the great harvest of our betrayal.
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Didn't Elites, or some of them at least, have human-like jaws around the time when Halo was like that?
Also the old Scorpion model is interesting. Much more like modern tanks.
OMG lol, the voice is terrible. I mean, i've seen that before but i didn't remember the voice was that terrible.
The human-like jaw structure makes so much more sense though... hell, if they had move the lower mandible pair so that it closes the mouth completely the Elites' jaw would make more sense.
That counts I guess.
NobleGundam
Banned
Ugh its terrible.. burn it Burn It!
The Genesis of Bungie Walking Animation Artist Walky McGillicutty
Poodlestrike
Banned
Wow, haven't seen that before. It's... certainly something.
GringoSuave89
Banned
I got em, and I'm down.
I wish there were, but when Spartans can punch through tank armor, I guess there isn't much of a point.
FUBAR McDangles
Member
GringoSuave89
Banned
Well I'm watching Raid 2 right now so whenever that is done I can hop on.
Sounds good, I'll be online. XBL name is the same as on here
GringoSuave89
Banned
The more, the better. I really want to try out that Flood game mode.
NobleGundam
Banned
Sometimes I wonder what a live action halo series with only the unsc marines perspective.
And I see how Starship Troopers was before they went into battle...
And I see how Starship Troopers was before they went into battle...
No Spartans? IE how the marines, army, whatever copes against the Covies when there are no Spartans around helping them?
NobleGundam
Banned
lol thats.. not what I meant. If you've seen how the rough necks were during training before combat in the movie you'd see what I mean.
Well your sentence, "Sometimes I wonder what a live action halo series with only the unsc marines perspective." is missing something me thinks. Confusing to read.
Anyway, not sure how Starship Troopers factors into this anyway, considering the film is satire.
Even that small snippet of the warthog run theme music worked better in that video than the music in any part of the Halo 4 campaign.
Also, just curious, is the MK VI Mjolnir armor that was standard now retconned altogether with the new Chief design, or are they two separate armors in canon now? Because they clearly showed Chief wearing it long before the events of Halo 4 in that flashback.
Also, just curious, is the MK VI Mjolnir armor that was standard now retconned altogether with the new Chief design, or are they two separate armors in canon now? Because they clearly showed Chief wearing it long before the events of Halo 4 in that flashback.
Because the marines are just as smart in both things? xD
The Chief's armor in Halo 4 is still Mark VI but remodeled to look like a Mark IV variant (at least Halopedia says this. They cite something, can't recall what). Which leads to fridge logic, Mark IV is considerably more bulkier, not nearly as sleek as GEN2 armor...
GringoSuave89
Banned
For anyone wanting to play customs tonight, I got a few games on deck that should be fun.
- Slenderman Flood map
- Salvation
- a racetrack in "A Galaxy Far Far Way"
and a few others if anyone is down. Gametag is GringoSuave89.
EDIT: since everyone is on different schedules, let's say that game night starts at 8 PM Pacific/11 PM Eastern
- Slenderman Flood map
- Salvation
- a racetrack in "A Galaxy Far Far Way"
and a few others if anyone is down. Gametag is GringoSuave89.
EDIT: since everyone is on different schedules, let's say that game night starts at 8 PM Pacific/11 PM Eastern
It's the 4 visual guide they cite saying it's a IV variant based design for the VI.
Right.
Still annoys me how Halo 4 doesn't explain the armor's change. And i question whether Frankie's claim "nanomachines" is actually canon. I like the armor, i just don't like how it came from nowhere. The intro having Spartans with the armor doesn't bother me at all, i just figure it is asset re-use.
Still doesn't bother me as much as the Dawn getting overhauled.
I can imagine how jarring this will be in the Master Chief Collection. Play Halo 3, and Halo 4 starts right after... only the ship has changed its looks way too much.
ElRenoRaven
Member
You know I'd have been ok with the armor had they just handled it better. Would it have taken more work to include the Halo 3 armor? Of course. However here is how I would have handled the change. You have chief in his old armor until he hooks up with the Infinity. At that point you could have had them refit him with the new armor. It really could have been that simple. Sure you'd have had to do a bit more work but it would have been easier to accept the change. Also it would have allowed them to have the armor for the scenes set in the past with the spartans. As it is there is no logical explanation. Hell there isn't even one to begin with.
This was my biggest complaint with Halo 4. They did not explain anything really. Yea I know they wanted to integrate other media in but a lot of people don't bother with that stuff. Luckily 343 has acknowledged that this was a mistake and hopefully they do a better job with Halo 5. I fear though they aren't due to how they're introducing Locke in the Nightfall series/ MCC. Course I'm going to wait and reserve judgement.
More work? Not really, i think, CGI aside. The Halo 2/3 version exists in the game (well, fitted for the new undersuit model but that's a minor thing), it could have been used in the campaign for the earlier missions, with the Chief specific changes (color, the scratches).
Poodlestrike
Banned
I think people will get over it
On the armor, I maintain that just calling a retcon a retcon would be the best decision. IMO, it's the best of the bunch in any case, they should just admit they wanted to change/update it and call it a day. "It's always been that way, starting from now" is kind of a weird concept in video game land, but it's far from unheard of in most other geeky media. Comics in particular.
Retcons should be only used when there's so obvious issue it would logically cause problems without fixing it and when fixing them otherwise is not possible (like the UNSC's super-powered fusion engines which should make one wonder how come they have issues fighting the Covies since the engines double as weapons... the Kzinti lesson (and i don't mean by blowing them up. Just point those engines, at close range, at the Covies...)).
If a retcon is not needed, don't do it.
Explaining things later on is not necessarily a retcon. If information is changed, it is a retcon, but adding to old information is not. An example of something that looks like a retcon but isn't: In Mass Effect, the geth are enemies, supposedly hostile against all organics. Mass Effect 2 reveals there are two factions of geth. No information was changed, merely added.
EDIT of course this kind of stuff depends on how information is received. If information is gotten from a source that may not be trustworthy, and departure from information given in the source can't be called a retcon.
If a retcon is not needed, don't do it.
Explaining things later on is not necessarily a retcon. If information is changed, it is a retcon, but adding to old information is not. An example of something that looks like a retcon but isn't: In Mass Effect, the geth are enemies, supposedly hostile against all organics. Mass Effect 2 reveals there are two factions of geth. No information was changed, merely added.
EDIT of course this kind of stuff depends on how information is received. If information is gotten from a source that may not be trustworthy, and departure from information given in the source can't be called a retcon.
I don't care if Chief will never use the armor again, I care if that armor doesn't even exist anymore. That the MK V is what we have in CE and the Halo 4 version of the MK VI replaces the MK VI of Halo 2 and 3 etc.
Really shows you how much importance 343 even gave to things like this. They probably just said screw it, we're not going to model the original MK VI for a few missions and replace his armor on Infinity, let's just change it altogether.
My question is, do the armor designs exist now in the same universe, or is the new variation basically going to overwrite it altogether. So you can have someone wear the old MK VI alongside Chief and his new one etc.
Really shows you how much importance 343 even gave to things like this. They probably just said screw it, we're not going to model the original MK VI for a few missions and replace his armor on Infinity, let's just change it altogether.
My question is, do the armor designs exist now in the same universe, or is the new variation basically going to overwrite it altogether. So you can have someone wear the old MK VI alongside Chief and his new one etc.
It's pretty much we've changed it to give it our own touch in a manner of speaking. Whilst on the subject of armor I would like to see some hellbringer styled armor for spartans at some point:
Pretty sure both designs still exist, given that all the armors in the Halo 4 MP are canonical, including the Mjolnir Mark VI GEN2 version, as is the Chief's campaign armor, and so are the old GEN1 Mjolnir armors still.
EDIT i doubt that we will see these in the same scene though, be it comics, books, television, or games.
Poodlestrike
Banned
"Needed" is not an objective term. I'd say that they wanted to have their own take on the armor (plus, they wanted to have Chief able to raise his arms above his head), so they whipped it up. Since they couldn't/didn't want to change their planned story to accommodate it, a retcon was required. Simple.
As for whether or not Chief's armor from 2/3 canonically exists, if they do just retcon it, the answer would be no.
FUBAR McDangles
Member
Alright Raid 2 finally finished. Spectacular opening that got dragged down so hard it became altogether boring. Not sure if recommend.
Anyway, are people still on Halo?
Anyway, are people still on Halo?
They could have added a single line of dialogue to explain the armor difference (that firmware line doesn't cut it, given that firmware is software). Hell, it could have been some kind of computer record, no voice work necessary.
In any case, i'm not going to accept retcons as a good thing. They are not required unless writing is bad, and if it is bad... perhaps that issue should be solved first.
Work with established limits, explain changes, think far ahead. Strong internal consistency is important.
Halo 4 MP armors and their descriptions are canonical (with that "unicorn" armor's description probably being the sole exception given that it refers to 343i's place), so the old armor design still exists.
GringoSuave89
Banned
I can get on, but idk about anyone else will join.
Dafuck!? That final fight was awesome and that car chase scene? Fucking amazing!
Oh and Halo
FUBAR McDangles
Member
Eh I kinda just want to try out those new modes so I guess we'd need more than just us.
Yeah all the fights were awesome. The fight in the mud was amazing but all the story stuff between that and the end was just utter nonsense that nearly put me to sleep. At least an hour of boring fluff that brought nothing to the movie at all.
GringoSuave89
Banned
Yeah that's the problem =/ I have all these new map types to try out but I can't find anyone to play.
Poodlestrike
Banned
And retcons can help maintain that consistency. Yes, having it explained in game would have been better, but now that that ship has sailed, best to just make the most of it. Retcons aren't good, but they're preferable to great gaping holes in the story.
MrGreencastle
Member
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Poodlestrike
Banned
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That mean we're going to start seeing some of your posts in the Halo Lore thread again?
Hellbringers were so cool; they're just as insane as helljumpers, only they start the fires instead of dropping feet first into them. It'd be a real shame (not to mention stupid) if they were exclusive units to the Spirit of Fire.
NobleGundam
Banned
So yeah leaving this here: http://www.zbrushcentral.com/zbc-user-gallery.php?uid=364999
Edit: the heck is a "Bust Mk VII"? Hmm..
Could be fanmade. Also see this: http://www.405th.com/showthread.php/41942-Agent-Locke-of-ONI-Helmet-Model-for-Printing
Dayum: https://sketchfab.com/models/95d802ace93a41418cbcafc66b5c6301
Edit: the heck is a "Bust Mk VII"? Hmm..
Could be fanmade. Also see this: http://www.405th.com/showthread.php/41942-Agent-Locke-of-ONI-Helmet-Model-for-Printing
Dayum: https://sketchfab.com/models/95d802ace93a41418cbcafc66b5c6301
MrGreencastle
Member
That mean we're going to start seeing some of your posts in the Halo Lore thread again?
Most likely yes. I don't like to commit to things
I have a couple in the works, but timing is everything.
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In other news:
Halo 4 is a lot better paired with a good beer.
edit: though I was paired with a team that just HAD to play the heavies hopper all the time.... ugh
I honestly wouldn't count on it. I don't expect Halo 5 news until TMCC actually releases. Tuesday's news will likely be of the same flavor as the news at RTX and ComicCon.
"We wanted to create a unified user interface."
"There are over 100 multiplayer maps."
"Halo 2 Anniversary has sexy cutscenes."
"Cairo Station."
Orochinagis
Member
My connection got funky again so I had to leave but good matches, I still have some Reach CTF nightmares so I score it fast for the sake of the enemy team.
aHebrewMenagerie
Member
NobleGundam
Banned
shots fired. H3 master race.