Thoughts on all these changes? Will this allow maps to look and be designed better than ever before? How easy would it be to possibly make some CE or 3 maps, or other maps that H2A didn't give the remaster treatment to?
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Thoughts on all these changes? Will this allow maps to look and be designed better than ever before? How easy would it be to possibly make some CE or 3 maps, or other maps that H2A didn't give the remaster treatment to?
K
kittens
Unconfirmed Member
Even after watching all the Lockout footage today, the bluer version looks way better. I feel like this is a reasonable change that 343 could implement if we complain about it enough (you know, politely and whatnot). But maybe it's not as easy as I imagine it to be. Maybe it would require overhauling the whole visual design of the map. I have no clue, but it seems simple enough to me.So, Lockout. I like the idea of an orange sunset, but it's overkill in the remastered version. Forgive my shitty photoshop, but why not return to the blue hue of the map, but keep some orange in the sky?
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Imagine a less shitty version of the top version. Basically, the color corrected gifs that were going around, only with some orange left in the clouds.
nillapuddin
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Thoughts on all these changes? Will this allow maps to look and be designed better than ever before? How easy would it be to possibly make some CE or 3 maps, or other maps that H2A didn't give the remaster treatment to?
If all these fixes and improvements work as well as they read on paper, then it could add some serious depth to our bag of tricks. But at the end of the day, Forge is a map editor, not a map creator. By doing all these Remakes and Original maps we are actually manipulating the original intention of the mode. CA has imo done a fantastic* job embracing the shift so far, and I now see that line being blurred to a point of near in-distinction
final destination canvas'!
As far as remaking maps from CE (simple geometry, nearly every map has been remade to great accuracy) or Halo 3 (for the most part very organic and difficult to replicate environments) it all comes down to piece selection and visual flexibility, but I could easily see alot more maps be possible with the (assuredly) decreased technical limitations.
For example: Terrain/Natural limitations have prevented many maps from being feasible...
Relic w/no hills =/= Relic
Im glad you asked that, it made me revisit the fireside chat Fuchsdh set up for Pete the Duck and I, and I now look back at that with a very positive outlook.
I feel many of our points have been addressed, or atleast hinted at, and I am now very optimistic for the future of Forge, I was coming into H2A expecting nothing, so I am now thrilled at the prospect of these new tools. I will once again throw myself back into monitor mode to try and bring out my greatest hits and some of my favorite co-forges for the new generation.
Darknight34
Member
Amazingly well said.
K
kittens
Unconfirmed Member
I love your enthusiasm, Nilla. You make some great stuff.
Darknight34
Member
That forge change/add list give me lots of confidence, it feels like they really have a handle on it!
Better DoF?Here's a shitty comparison that I mocked up between the Xbox One version (L) and the Xbox 360 version (R) of Halo 3.
In person Halo 3 looks noticeably different but it's obviously subtle compared to the remastered stuff. Lighting looks great, the shadows are really what makes it feel the most dated.
H2A made me realize I am sorely out of practice with my H2 movement and grenade chucking skills but the BR felt great and I liked the stalactites--big enough splash to be a threat but still small enough that aware players will be fine.
Having the text out of the middle is very nice.
The Forerunner Flood in the stasis containers are very cool and atmospheric, but I didn't have time to really examine them with the 4v4 action.
The amount of bass in that theater was pretty crazy.
H2A made me realize I am sorely out of practice with my H2 movement and grenade chucking skills but the BR felt great and I liked the stalactites--big enough splash to be a threat but still small enough that aware players will be fine.
Having the text out of the middle is very nice.
The Forerunner Flood in the stasis containers are very cool and atmospheric, but I didn't have time to really examine them with the 4v4 action.
The amount of bass in that theater was pretty crazy.
Blue Ninja
Member
Meh, that music to replace Breaking Benjamin and Incubus was kinda lame. If they keep the same vibe going as in the game, I won't mind too much.
Steve Vai coming back is a godsend though. That sounds fucking glorious.
Steve Vai coming back is a godsend though. That sounds fucking glorious.
Banderdash
Member
Watching all this footage just makes me miss the Spartan armour from Halo 2.
That's just sci-fi though. Sure they aren't possible with our current understanding of physics or the universe however they are explained through scientific means in the fictional universe. They could maybe be considered magic in our current universe however it is still technology and based on scientific theories (albeit fictional science) and hence science fiction, not magic. If you somehow went back in time and showed someone a plane or a phone they'd believe it was magic.
Also you claim FTL isn't possible, it's possible wormholes allow for travel over great distances faster than light. Or there could be another undiscovered aspect of physics which allows for it which is just what Halo is describing. That's the point of science fiction. It's fiction, however it's rooted in scientific theory.
Meant to post this last night but the Gaf crashed and I needed sleep.
I remember someone asking about if Astro Gaming has exclusive Halo stuff and it turns out they have:
http://www.astrogaming.com/special-editions-halo
You can order the speaker tags seperately:
http://www.astrogaming.com/a40-halo-skull/3AT40-MSX9N-377.html#start=1
Here is the announcement video, which also mentions a A50 Halo Headset (??? and a MixAmp that plugs into your Xbox One controller ???):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-6Ud67U7JU
Couldn't find it on the site, though.
http://www.astrogaming.com/special-editions-halo
You can order the speaker tags seperately:
http://www.astrogaming.com/a40-halo-skull/3AT40-MSX9N-377.html#start=1
Here is the announcement video, which also mentions a A50 Halo Headset (??? and a MixAmp that plugs into your Xbox One controller ???):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-6Ud67U7JU
Couldn't find it on the site, though.
Bolded explains how i think about it. Do note that i call only things that are pretty much impossible magic, speculative things that are still grounded to reality, like new materials or odd life doesn't count (but a material that, say, blocks all radiation but isn't dense is really magic, pretty sure the only way to cut down radiation is density, correct me if i'm wrong though).
Also magic is not necessarily a problem, just when a thing is introduced but its consequences are not thought about. If i see as a reader/player/watcher/whatever a possible solution that goes unused in-universe, i'm going to be bothered by this.
And i do keep saying it is not magic in-Haloverse.
And FTL is not possible due to causality problems. Undiscovered aspects of physics are still limited by it (new theories must still explain old experiments and whatever else).
You can't really dodge the time travel issue... Unless time travel is actually possible. Then causality would not what we thought it was, of course. But that's another matter. (Also ignoring moving between universes, which has its own set of issues.)
Wormholes don't actually dodge the causality issue, you can make a time machine them quite easily. You could also make a kind of a perpetual motion machine with them (free relativistic weapons for everyone!!!).
(Interestingly Greg Bear did try to fix this issue in the Forerunner trilogy, by slipspace causal reconciliation, or some such. Presumably some sort chronology protection system, that prevents action if it would cause paradoxes. Those books had a lot of small details, which was nice.)
EDIT also not going to say any more about this today.
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Speaking of time travel, did they canonize that Halo 2 ARG? And that one Spartan from Dead or Alive games? Both cases had time travel if i recall correctly.
EDIT Wait, what, Breaking Benjamin song is gone from Halo 2? FUCK!
Poodlestrike
Banned
Seems unlikely.
Yeah, that's unfortunate. The new Coag was the map I was hoping to see shown off, I want to see some anniversary BTB gameplay.
Der Flatulator
Member
FTL is not magic, it's a real thing that scientists are studying today. Speculating mostly, but definitely studying.
http://www.nasa.gov/centers/glenn/technology/warp/ideachev.html
Just because something isn't "possible" today doesn't make it magic if it happens in science fiction.
So excited for MCC Forge. Hope they give us some more colour options. Also sounds like they're being more liberal with lights, etc.
Thoughts on all these changes? Will this allow maps to look and be designed better than ever before? How easy would it be to possibly make some CE or 3 maps, or other maps that H2A didn't give the remaster treatment to?
So happy we get precision control back. So annoying not having that in H4.
Can't wait to hear more about the "Simple Scripting Objects", that likely opens up a huge variety of options for custom games.
So, Lockout. I like the idea of an orange sunset, but it's overkill in the remastered version. Forgive my shitty photoshop, but why not return to the blue hue of the map, but keep some orange in the sky?
vs
Imagine a less shitty version of the top version. Basically, the color corrected gifs that were going around, only with some orange left in the clouds.
HUEHUEHUEHUE
I agree.
gAg CruSh3r
Member
I remember someone asking about if Astro Gaming has exclusive Halo stuff and it turns out they have:
http://www.astrogaming.com/special-editions-halo
You can order the speaker tags seperately:
http://www.astrogaming.com/a40-halo-skull/3AT40-MSX9N-377.html#start=1
Here is the announcement video, which also mentions a A50 Halo Headset (??? and a MixAmp that plugs into your Xbox One controller ???):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-6Ud67U7JU
Couldn't find it on the site, though.
That was me. I guess I need to upgrade all of my stuff
.. Thank you for finding that stuff. I have Astros a30,a40 with a mix amp, and a50. I want a38s and a newer version of those a40s ... I think I will have to sale some of my Astros stuff..
... I think I will have to sale some of my Astros stuff.. Der Flatulator
Member
Completely random question: Are we ever going to see a non-crashed Albatross?
Speaking of Albatrosses, which i want to see properly too, i wonder if Halo 2 Anniversary will have some skull or other thing that enables driving Shadows? They're fully coded AFAIK, only disabled so changing this shouldn't be impossible, is it?
Not sure what the point would be but whatever.
(And did that one comic really have a flying Shadow? Tell me it isn't canon they can fly, that's just silly.)
Not sure what the point would be but whatever.
(And did that one comic really have a flying Shadow? Tell me it isn't canon they can fly, that's just silly.)
Poodlestrike
Banned
It's not canon, the artist just has no idea what he's doing.
Like this:
I could see it being used maybe at one point as a dropship in campaign maybe.
Yes it did.
CreateNowSleepLater
Member
I really want that shirt Frankie was wearing. Not being sold on Waypoint. Please address this.
Sure looks like it. Banshees flying with open canopies? Ugh. Terrible art. (That actually happens in Halo CE once or twice, though i can't recall if this was limited to the PC or Xbox only, either way it probably wasn't intentional)
Poker Face
Member
anyone have a link to yesterday's panel?
ArchedThunder
Banned
Here's a shitty comparison that I mocked up between the Xbox One version (L) and the Xbox 360 version (R) of Halo 3.
The color balance is off on your 360 shot.
Lighting seems identical in cutscenes.
They are dropships, this was in the manual of Halo 2 map pack disc, i think.
The small ships in Halo Wars are Darters, similar but smaller ships.'
EDIT though if i recall correctly, the supply ships in Halo Wars were intended to be Albatrosses by Ensemble.
Poker Face
Member
The Librarian
Banned
Orochinagis
Member
Yes it did.
"So which ones are the flying covenant ships?"
"No idea, just google covenant vehicles and draw them, no one reads comics anyway"
- Gameinformer: PAX Offers More Details On Halo: Nightfall And What To Expect From The Halo Channel
Looks like you can earn a skull by watching all of Nightfall.
Looks like you can earn a skull by watching all of Nightfall.
The link also has the PAX video of the Halo channel.
HiredN00bs
Member
I still have my A40 system I purchased in September 2009. Probably one of the best gaming purchases I ever made because of how much use and enjoyment I've gotten out of them, even still today. Having all that versatility definitely makes me hesitant to upgrade, but if they were to release something that could accept HDMI and convert linear PCM surround to Dolby Headphone, I'd totally jump on it. Is that a pipe dream?
It would be awesome if it's something as simple as "If this, then that" type triggers. Could be used for a lot of cool round-based or "scenario" type games with greater flexibility than the base gametype.
Demoncarnotaur
Member
Yeah, from what little I know it's an 'easier' fix. Not to say it's easy, but I imagine it is something that can be done. The orange glow just doesn't match the cold environment, and it especially leaves a lot to be desired when compared to the original. It's not just that Lockout was blue, but also that the orange hue just gives Lockdown a drab, almost brown 'next-gen filter' look. It just doesn't look good to me in general.
To be clear, I'm not bashing the art assets which looks great.. just the colors and atmosphere really aren't doing the other assets any favors.
Poodlestrike
Banned
I am turning that skull on and never turning it off. Love my hunter fights.
The Librarian
Banned
At this point my biggest concern for H2A is Lockout's color scheme.
Which means 343/CA have done an amazing job so far from what I've seen.
Which means 343/CA have done an amazing job so far from what I've seen.
Der Flatulator
Member
What about this kind of functionality:
IF button_is_pressed(hold=5s)
THEN animate(door, (1, 0, 0), speed=5)
(That's all you'd need to do Colossus & High Ground's gates, etc.)THEN animate(door, (1, 0, 0), speed=5)
ON update
DO animate(spinnything, (0, 1, 0), speed=1)
(Ascension, Zanzibar, etc)DO animate(spinnything, (0, 1, 0), speed=1)
That, just a lot better.
ElzarTheBam
Member
Shall I post more Halo 2 wallpapers for you folks?
I honestly think that's more complicated than you would ever want to do via Forge. Triggers a la Starcraft's map editors really only required you to set zones--everything else could work without them. I feel like targeting specific pieces might be more problematic. But yeah this is all supposition. Didn't bother trying to get in line to ask a clarifying question because it seems like they'll be doing something later on to tell us more.
Havoc2049
Member
Please do!