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Hamas terrorists infiltrated Israel. 1400+ killed, 2400+ wounded, 240+ abducted. Israel declares war
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Dr.Morris79
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Hopefully the next time we see him will be under a size 10 boot.
Dr.Morris79
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He's not fucking around, wants to gas them in the tunnels.
Wildebeest
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Q: Can Al Jazeera be trusted to report objectively on this conflict.
A: Of course not, you imbecile. Al Jazeera is owned by the Qatari state who also financially back Hamas. There is a huge conflict of interest. Did you ever do media studies at school? Were you asleep?
A: Of course not, you imbecile. Al Jazeera is owned by the Qatari state who also financially back Hamas. There is a huge conflict of interest. Did you ever do media studies at school? Were you asleep?
Kenpachii
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near
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Gassing tunnels is as wild of an idea as the shelling that has been taking place. Where are the hostages? Strategic bombing and gassing of tunnels can only be argued if the safety and security of the hostages have been confirmed. Still no ground invasion either? What is happening.
What if it's a sleeping gas?
BlackTron
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They are taking their time planning the attack, it's probably way more difficult due to the hostages. Collecting intelligence, weighing tactics, and coming up with a detailed plan instead of rushing in hot-headed.
Yeah, the 6 days war took 3 weeks to prepare and didn't have this many variables. We are only in the second week.
LordOfChaos
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This is how they were clearing IS caves in Iraq...Absolutely brutal, but I guess what do you do against brutality
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LordOfChaos
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StreetsofBeige
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Hey Deaf,
Just curious since you know Black history.
Back in the day of the US and white/black segregation issues etc... were the general public and politicians so blazen to do protests and mobs by the 1000s all over the world (some of those mobs must be as big as an NFL game) in downtowns and outside embassies saying death to Black people?
What are some similarities and differences comparing the recent Hamas/Jew situation and past Black community racism?
Sadly, this is basically what Palestine is lacking, a viable (in the eyes of the West AND the Palestinian people/broader muslim world) alternative. Thats been our MO over there for decades, topple a regime we don't like, prop one that is more likely to do as we say. It's been the MO since forever, really, other than just putting in your own people over a conquered group and hoping for the best. But if this guy has some "legitimacy" as a leader over there, then why not? I doubt he does though, I doubt there is really anyone since Palestine isn't really a country and never has been, so there are no royalty in exile, no displaced refugee government to re-install, no alternate political party to support. The best we could have hoped for would have been one of the more stable, moderate, western aligned muslim countries to agree to take on whatever is left after the Israelis get justice as a protectorate, colony, or extension of their own country and then go in, dismantle the religious indoctrination systems there, move out a lot of the people, and re-model the society into something that can cooperate with their neighbors. I'm not sure a moderate muslim country with that capability exists though, so what we are probably gonna get is a reduced footprint Gaza with more overcrowding, more restrictions, and more invasive Israeli presence because the broader Muslim world wants it that way and the Israelis have no choice. Palestinians represent what, 0.1% of the muslim population and NO ONE can or will harbor them? Says a lot, really, we all know why this situation exists.
Sleeping gas is often lethal depending on the dose and the condition of the 'recipient'. There is no 100% safe, effective way to deliver such a gas that would knock out Hamas (and any one else) without substantial risk of killing anyone in a deeper tunnel, in poor condition already, or exposed for a longer time. Plus now you have to wear protective gear yourself (which they may do any since Hamas will have little fear of using lethal gas themselves and just blaming the IDF) and you never know if Hamas has protection either.
Read up on the Russian Theater 'rescue' when a gas was used. Pyrrhic victory at best...
Moscow theater hostage crisis - Wikipedia
You could have an entire graduate school class on deconstructing the things AOC says. Best one was the "interview" with the Border security guy where he systematically DESTROYED her claim that illegals hopping the fence were "refugees seeking asylum".
Bet she can't even make a decent smoked Old Fashioned either
LordOfChaos
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Sheik Hassan Yousef, the top political leader of Hamas in the West Bank, was arrested
www.theglobeandmail.com
Israel appears to be taking positions in the West Bank, likely sharing fears of an attack from the other flank when they're drawn into Gaza
Senior Hamas leader arrested in Israeli raid
Hours before his arrest, Sheik Hassan Yousef told The Globe and Mail he believed ‘mistakes’ may have been made during the Oct. 7 Hamas invasion of Israel
www.theglobeandmail.com
Israel appears to be taking positions in the West Bank, likely sharing fears of an attack from the other flank when they're drawn into Gaza
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hyperbertha
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BlackTron
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Sheik Hassan Yousef, the top political leader of Hamas in the West Bank, was arrested
Senior Hamas leader arrested in Israeli raid
Hours before his arrest, Sheik Hassan Yousef told The Globe and Mail he believed ‘mistakes’ may have been made during the Oct. 7 Hamas invasion of Israel
Israel appears to be taking positions in the West Bank, likely sharing fears of an attack from the other flank when they're drawn into Gaza
"Mistakes were made"
Dynasty8
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Refuses to answer any questions and take any responsibility.
The orders were not to hurt any civilians....
But we have civilian hostages we are keeping there....
Fucking hypocrite.
Pertinent to see how the biggest newspapers in the US handled the hospital disinformation a day later.
WSJ is the most professional and factual, citing the evidence that indicates Israel wasn't responsible per experts and US/Israel.
NY Times claims that nothing could be independently verified about who was responsible for the hospital explosion, false.
NY Post: "Islamic Terrorists Killed Their Own People...Then Falsely Blamed Israel," true but in tabloid form.
LA Times claims there are "dueling narratives" and doesn't bother to substantiate the truth one way or another, focusing on tragedy in Gaza.
Washington Post leads with the US version of events per the Biden administration.
WSJ is the most professional and factual, citing the evidence that indicates Israel wasn't responsible per experts and US/Israel.
NY Times claims that nothing could be independently verified about who was responsible for the hospital explosion, false.
NY Post: "Islamic Terrorists Killed Their Own People...Then Falsely Blamed Israel," true but in tabloid form.
LA Times claims there are "dueling narratives" and doesn't bother to substantiate the truth one way or another, focusing on tragedy in Gaza.
Washington Post leads with the US version of events per the Biden administration.
tommib
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I’ve been thinking since the start that all of this is the most elaborate trap we’ve seen from an Islamic terrorist organisation.
Hamas has been preparing for this for decades and I fear thousands and thousands of casualties in the Israeli military side.
Their intelligence completely failed in seeing this coming and have no idea what kind of organisation and weaponry Hamas has in those tunnels. It’s a fight to the death that will take decades.
Hamas opened the gates to hell and the apocalypse beast is looking from the abyss. It’s not comparable to the talibans who would hide in the mountains and caves. Hamas is everywhere in Gaza.
It’s also a trap because Israel due to war fatigue that will extend for years will lose most of the western support.
Sorry for the grimmness but it’s where I am since Hamas launched the most barbaric attack the contemporary world has seen since 9/11. They’re looking for complete civil unrest across the Arab and the Western world. They want to bring the conflict to the west at a large scale.
DeafTourette
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I'm not entirely sure what you mean with the first question... but a lot of the crowds gathered during the CRM and some of their protests did have a lot of (obviously) anti-black rhetoric and calling for the deaths of MLK, the Little Rock Nine... as well as actual violence (from cops and civvies) against peaceful protesters (which was a calculated tactic during the marches and sit ins), black school children and a LOT of churches being bombed.
What a lot of people don't know or realize is that the CRM was a coalition movement... Jews worked with the NAACP and Southern Christian Leadership Conference. Malcolm X (El Hajj El Malik Shabazz) was, believe it or not, part of that CRM. Same goal (black freedom from unjust laws)... just from a different POV (black empowerment and self-defense). Which isn't to say that MLK was a pacifist... he was a gun owner and his house was regularly targeted by the KKK and other groups (even the FBI under Hoover).
Anyway, your second question: the differences are vast and the similarities are ... not miniscule but .... lemme explain.
The similarities are more akin to the 80s and 90s during the crack epidemic (which was started by the CIA, believe it or not, to fund their operations) and the riots that happened during high profile trials like the teen girl who was shot in the back by that store owner who was basically acquitted of any wrong-doing... and yes, the OJ trial... among others. Back then, there was a lot of anger below the surface of the community back then (and in many ways still is) because of... well... many things with police interactions being a major one and people getting off for violence against some like Latasha Harlins (the aforementioned girl shot in the back... the video surveillance was shocking... the shop owner looked at her body with contempt)... many poor black folks felt like they were being occupied in the hood... by cops, by migrant shop owners, forgotten by politicians and their neighborhoods and schools left to rot. I think that's the closest parallel to how some palestinians must feel... but like those Palestinians, in the more dangerous areas with gang activity, high crime and HIGH unemployment, it's a cycle that's got to be broken with some trust of those in power and working with them to push the bad elements out... but ALSO not giving up any power they DO have and making them community better... as has been the case in many neighborhoods in the overall black community.
They won't be able to rise up without resources and funds... Israel became great because it had the help of western countries in the form of resources and funds. They didn't build up from nothing... no nation DOES, believe it or not.
Not sure if this answers your questions because they were a bit confusing.
LordOfChaos
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Vestal
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She is trying to have her cake and eat it too.. Appeasing the far left while trying to maintain some middle ground footing in her answers.
It was a mistake on her part going on the air.. She didn't have a well framed response to some pretty obvious questions that would come up.
I mean it was on the 17th when we didn't know anything.. It was an appropriate reaction at that time.
Beyond newspapers, here are the lead hospital-related stories from other news sources.
CNN notes that the evidence suggests Israel wasn't responsible, and notes that the death figures are coming from Hamas sources.
www.cnn.com
BBC Verify claims that it can't figure anything out about what happened to the hospital despite the available evidence.
www.bbc.com
Fox News doesn't actually have the hospital story anywhere visible on its main page or the Israel War section. Required a search. Their coverage states the evidence indicates it was a Palestinian rocket and that it impacted the parking lot.
www.foxnews.com
CNN notes that the evidence suggests Israel wasn't responsible, and notes that the death figures are coming from Hamas sources.
What we know so far about the Gaza hospital blast | CNN
A deadly blast at a Gaza hospital on Tuesday provided another devastating reminder of the colossal human cost of the roiling war unfolding between Israel and Hamas. CNN has not been able to verify either side’s account independently, and the cause of the blast still remains unclear.
www.cnn.com
BBC Verify claims that it can't figure anything out about what happened to the hospital despite the available evidence.
Gaza hospital: What video, pictures and other evidence tell us about Al-Ahli hospital blast
BBC Verify is analysing evidence from the Al-Ahli hospital explosion amid competing claims over responsibility.
www.bbc.com
Fox News doesn't actually have the hospital story anywhere visible on its main page or the Israel War section. Required a search. Their coverage states the evidence indicates it was a Palestinian rocket and that it impacted the parking lot.
Gaza hospital blast: Here's what we know
Footage of the aftermath of a blast that damaged a hospital in Gaza City on Wednesday show a missile appears to have struck a parking lot and not he building directly.
www.foxnews.com
ManaByte
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Burn it all down except for the WSJPertinent to see how the biggest newspapers in the US handled the hospital disinformation a day later.
WSJ is the most professional and factual, citing the evidence that indicates Israel wasn't responsible per experts and US/Israel.
NY Times claims that nothing could be independently verified about who was responsible for the hospital explosion, false.
NY Post: "Islamic Terrorists Killed Their Own People...Then Falsely Blamed Israel," true but in tabloid form.
LA Times claims there are "dueling narratives" and doesn't bother to substantiate the truth one way or another, focusing on tragedy in Gaza.
Washington Post leads with the US version of events per the Biden administration.
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Honestly, The NY Post is really good. It is sensationalist yellow tabloid, but it does get it facts together, esp regarding a very true story they were censored for...
Jinzo Prime
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No, it was not. Shutting up and waiting for official word was the appropriate response, so is taking your allies word over terrorists.
Happosai
Hold onto your panties
What they do has nothing to do with God. They're fueled by religion and the terrorist attacks in the West prior to this were fueled by maniacal religious militant off chutes of Islam such as: muslim brotherhood, hezbollah and the hamas. There's no rationalizing or reasoning with what they believe and motives to what they do. If you really do want to know more though, read about what type of a person Mohammed was...that should give an idea of the history of violence.
No doubt that displacement for civilians is the only viable solution. Interesting that the major Middle Eastern nations which too have large extremist groups fear giving refuge to those from Gaza. Muslim nations are not going to take other muslim groups. Think about it, Iran is so vocal in all this and has plenty of room; but they're not welcoming everyone in. The religion of 'peace' doesn't trust it's neighbors to bring peace.
darkangel-212559
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Hi all! Long time no speak! While I was away I moved to Israel and got married! Had to leave my consoles behind, so I'm moving onto pc gaming with the Lenovo Legion Go once that bad boy comes out.
ANYWAY. These last week and a half or so has not been easy. I'm way up in the North, about 2 hours away by car from the Lebanon boarder, so while we don't have Hamas to worry about we do have Hizbollah to be concerned with.
If G0D forbid they decide to get involved then I will most likely be dealing with rocket attacks by them. Last week our Government alert system for times of war which notifies you with a siren sound on your phone (as well as sirens all around town) started on my phone and in town. Our apartment has our own private bomb shelter, which is really great as once you hear that siren you only have 30 seconds until the rocket lands. The sirens go off and we run to the bomb shelter, I call my friend who doesn't have a bomb shelter and tell him to get over to my one ASAP with his family. He comes with his 2 friends (his wife and kids were out at the time), we take our weapons (Home Front command actually says to have weapons for self defence), unfortunately no guns but we had knives, and we waited. All of a sudden the alarms went off again on our phone. Telling us that their were drones flying in. A few minutes pass and then another siren, this time telling us that Hizbollah had inflitratred my town using ultra light weight planes. We had turn off our lights, grab our knives and just wait. This lasted for an hour. Then we had the all clear. It turned out it was 'human error' and someone had pressed the wrong alert button.
I was traumatised from the experience. I'm better now but it wasn't easy to say the least.
Just one personal story from this whole thing. No one should ever have to say goodbye to their friends and family like I had to go through. Ever.
ANYWAY. These last week and a half or so has not been easy. I'm way up in the North, about 2 hours away by car from the Lebanon boarder, so while we don't have Hamas to worry about we do have Hizbollah to be concerned with.
If G0D forbid they decide to get involved then I will most likely be dealing with rocket attacks by them. Last week our Government alert system for times of war which notifies you with a siren sound on your phone (as well as sirens all around town) started on my phone and in town. Our apartment has our own private bomb shelter, which is really great as once you hear that siren you only have 30 seconds until the rocket lands. The sirens go off and we run to the bomb shelter, I call my friend who doesn't have a bomb shelter and tell him to get over to my one ASAP with his family. He comes with his 2 friends (his wife and kids were out at the time), we take our weapons (Home Front command actually says to have weapons for self defence), unfortunately no guns but we had knives, and we waited. All of a sudden the alarms went off again on our phone. Telling us that their were drones flying in. A few minutes pass and then another siren, this time telling us that Hizbollah had inflitratred my town using ultra light weight planes. We had turn off our lights, grab our knives and just wait. This lasted for an hour. Then we had the all clear. It turned out it was 'human error' and someone had pressed the wrong alert button.
I was traumatised from the experience. I'm better now but it wasn't easy to say the least.
Just one personal story from this whole thing. No one should ever have to say goodbye to their friends and family like I had to go through. Ever.
StreetsofBeige
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My first question, I was just trying to see how the recent big groups of anti-Jew mobs "death to Jews" in cities around the world had similar large mobs of people saying "death to Black people".
Congrats on getting married! Stay safe darkangel. Also, get yourself a firearm and train with it. In extreme situations there may not be anyone else there to protect your family from terrorists.
StreetsofBeige
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Regarding the 500 people killed at the hospital, maybe I missed it but the only photos I've seen are parking lot shots of some trashed concrete roads and cars with minimal damage to buildings.
Where's all the piles of dead people? Tons of people hauling bodies into body bags, stretchers and vans? Youd think if it was so true, it would be front page proof of blood splatter and body parts everywhere.
Where's all the piles of dead people? Tons of people hauling bodies into body bags, stretchers and vans? Youd think if it was so true, it would be front page proof of blood splatter and body parts everywhere.
Yeah, very curious if private firearm ownership was legal, but (sadly) underutilized, or if you guys have a lot of restrictions in owning even a lever action rifle or pistol, much less a mag fed semi-automatic rifle. And I imagine no gun store has firearms or ammo to sell now though with any luck there is a container ship from 'murica off shore right about now to address that shortage
Maybe the italians and czechs sent products as well.תשמור על עצמך!
darkangel-212559
Banned
Hey man thank you!
100% We are both applying for a gun licence as the whole thing has been made fast to get them because of the war. As soon as I get one I'll go to the training. It's $1500 for the gun and the training with 100 bullets increased from 50 due to what's been happening. Obviously I hope nothing will happen though.
Gaming is really helping me get through it all. It's a real thearpy for me.
My heart breaks for what is the biggest tragedy for us since The Holocaust. We've been too accepting with the old status quo of Hamas with the occasional flare up for too long. We need to go into Gaza, get rid of Hamas, try and rescue as many of our hostages as we can, and create a new buffer zone by the Gaza border. Personally I would like Egypt to take over Gaza, but no Arab countries what anything to do with the Palestinians in any concrete sense.
Well, she will have to commit one way or the other, seems like its time to review which faculty/student population/donors she will lose depending which side she comes down on. I have my suspicions which way it will go but I'm not sure just how much domestic politics will play a hand.
darkangel-212559
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! ואתה אח. עם ישראל חי!
She is so fucking stupid. It's a total embarrassment she is an elected leader. Even worse that she is propped up as some sort of leader or intellect in our government.
My 1st grader has better critical thinking skills than her.
StreetsofBeige
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If that's true I was pretty close. A day or two ago I said a parking lot rocket might kill 10 people.
LordOfChaos
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DeafTourette
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You mean the size? The KKK and other similar groups used to have LARGE memberships until the VERY late 1960s/early 1970s numbering in the millions.
A KKK rally/march for example ...
There were also extremely violent mobs like the Black Wall Street Massacre AKA Tulsa Massacre or any of the other prosperous black towns that were razed by violent racist mobs and even put under water... such as Oscarville which is where Lake Lanier now sits... or Seneca Village where New York City's Central Park now sits... anti-blackness was a near universal thing in the US.
LordOfChaos
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StreetsofBeige
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Wow. Did these kinds of mobs happen in other countries too like how many cities in Europe and Canada are having anti-Semite rallies recently?You mean the size? The KKK and other similar groups used to have LARGE memberships until the VERY late 1960s/early 1970s numbering in the millions.
A KKK rally/march for example ...
There were also extremely violent mobs like the Black Wall Street Massacre AKA Tulsa Massacre or any of the other prosperous black towns that were razed by violent racist mobs and even put under water... such as Oscarville which is where Lake Lanier now sits... or Seneca Village where New York City's Central Park now sits... anti-blackness was a near universal thing in the US.
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