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Hamas terrorists infiltrated Israel. 1400+ killed, 2400+ wounded, 240+ abducted. Israel declares war

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What concerns me about stuff like this is that the United States is absolutely not prepared for a hot war. All branches of our Armed Forces are in the midst of a four-year-long recruiting and retention crisis. On top of that, DOD studies have shown that over three-quarters of all military age (or near military age) Americans would be disqualified from service due to physical or mental illness, drug use, and/or other character issues. And this is after they've dumbed down the physical and age standards to expand the available pool of candidates. We can have all the munitions and equipment in the world, it won't matter without people to use them. (Edit: As an aside, we've also been decreasing our munitions stockpile faster than we've been replacing it over the last year and a half.)
Yeah, the western world is essentially facing the same problem that the empires of old failed to overcome and what led to the collapse. The same pattern over and over again over the course of history.
 
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Tedditalk

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Easy? The DOD has been pulling every rabbit out of their hat for the last three-plus years to try and address this problem. They've even offered obscene enlistment bonuses for some MOS's and they still can't get enough interest. If there were easy solutions, they would have unearthed them already.

I do agree that they could go the way of the mandatory draft but can you imagine how bad those protests will be? They were bad during the Vietnam era and people back then didn't have hyperconnected social media constantly feeding them disinformation and reinforcement.
The military sucks. That is the problem.
The government lied to the people enough that no one really trusts it. We watched our vets gets abused. We received statements like this


Frequent suicides in the service. There is no perceived honor in our conflicts anymore. If people saw a honorable war, it would significantly drive recruitment, but no such thing, and speaking from experience, shitty leadership, your career determined by petty base politics since it your supe that writes your evaluation and determine if you advance.

I can rag on the failures for hours, but that the surface of it.
 
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belmarduk

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I didn't write it, this was on the first page of the Daily Wire at one point

So someone there thought it was fact..

Which begs the question, how much of this shit can be trusted now. From any angle.

It's very disrespectful to that sites readership to post something that anyone could disprove within seconds.
 

Happosai

Hold onto your panties
Easy? The DOD has been pulling every rabbit out of their hat for the last three-plus years to try and address this problem. They've even offered obscene enlistment bonuses for some MOS's and they still can't get enough interest. If there were easy solutions, they would have unearthed them already.

I do agree that they could go the way of the mandatory draft but can you imagine how bad those protests will be? They were bad during the Vietnam era and people back then didn't have hyperconnected social media constantly feeding them disinformation and reinforcement.
The response was to be taken with a grain of salt but here goes:

That's been the case for the DOD for quite some time. Easy as a mandatory draft would rescind some of those MOS's desperation by relying on 'incentives.' If the worst pushback is protests (again, take with a grain of salt); what demographic do you think would be protesting? Same one's that would be eligible for the draft. Easy solutions to get it to sink in to those who want to play adult that: life is hard. War is real and in this case necessary. Make themselves useful in society and grow up.

You reading this too that there's like a .001% chance of mandatory draft ever coming back in the U.S.? So...I'm giving some productive ideas for a solution. Can't stand those who whine about 'the problem', make a blueprint about said problem and offer nothing up for resolution.
 

Chuck Berry

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Got sucker punched today on the way to the local Synagogue in my efforts to learn more about the Jewish faith and traditions (not converting, purely academic). Of course it was a weak little beta male that ran away immediately after screaming “dirty jew!”. Called the cops immediately afterward. Cheek will be sore for a few days.

Stay safe out there folks. Do the right thing and help out those around you.

This is fucking insane and Im glad you made it out ok. Couldve potentially gone a lot worse. Hope you nail the cocksucker.
 

Tedditalk

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The response was to be taken with a grain of salt but here goes:

That's been the case for the DOD for quite some time. Easy as a mandatory draft would rescind some of those MOS's desperation by relying on 'incentives.' If the worst pushback is protests (again, take with a grain of salt); what demographic do you think would be protesting? Same one's that would be eligible for the draft. Easy solutions to get it to sink in to those who want to play adult that: life is hard. War is real and in this case necessary. Make themselves useful in society and grow up.

You reading this too that there's like a .001% chance of mandatory draft ever coming back in the U.S.? So...I'm giving some productive ideas for a solution. Can't stand those who whine about 'the problem', make a blueprint about said problem and offer nothing up for resolution.

Yes, tell them to suck it up and die for foreign interests. Gonna work real well for morale.
 

jason10mm

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There's a video here showing the take over

Why would the IDF release such an Intel coup on SM?

I'm all for smoking Hamas out of their tunnels but it would be pretty funny if that map was a giant bit of misdirection like Operation Mincemeat designed to get the IDF to bomb where the tunnels were NOT. Doubtful though, 4d chess players Hamas is not.
 

Tedditalk

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Israel should only agree to a 'humanitarian' ceasefire on these conditions:
  • Release of all hostages
  • All Hamas and pro-Palestine supporters in the West are shipped to Gaza.
In the west? Hamas I agree, but you just want people murdered. Even if we disagree with them, we cannot do stuff like that.

Edit: and yeah release the hostages.
 
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Nonehxc

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LOL 😆

Russian humanitarian aid started entering Gaza...

And well, pretty much everything is expired. 🤣🤣🤣

Make your bed, you can sleep in it. And that's talking about the 'better off' dumbo country. Guess what, Russia is one of the better provided countries...and still can't feed their entire population by their own production alone. China, imports almost 40 of what their population needs. India, there's like 600 million anemic people, if not more. And we're talking about the better-off, with the most bright prospects of future.

Guess what's gonna happen if you bite the hands that feeds a huge chunk of the world's population away from famines? Are your deserts suddenly gonna raise wells and greenhouses all by themselves? 😏

Yes. EXACTLY. ☠️
 
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Salty Hippo

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It might be premature to say but i feel like that cut of beard is the new shaved head "skinhead" warning sign that you may need to go to guns a bit faster with this guy.

Maybe a bunch of peaceful lambs have that style as well, but there does seem to be an association.

To me this sounds as premature as saying that Allahu Akbar is the new Heil Hitler (not at all). I don't give a fuck anymore honestly.
 

ManaByte

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Jerry Seinfeld Popcorn GIF by Sheets & Giggles
 

MrA

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keep in mind not only is ms.stupid there a porn star (like Hamas would care about current or former) Her family is Maronite Catholic that fled Lebanon, so yeah world class stupid, I will not respect her new hustle
 
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It's very disrespectful to that sites readership to post something that anyone could disprove within seconds.
Or it was true and quickly changed after the article was posted, or the results were localized dependent on what state was trying to access them. I've seen enough actual examples of google screwing with search results to benefit their ideological views to give the benefit of the doubt here. Not going to assume this was a lie, but I'm not going to assume it was the truth either.
 

Tajaz2426

Psychology PhD from Wikipedia University
The military sucks. That is the problem.
The government lied to the people enough that no one really trusts it. We watched our vets gets abused. We received statements like this


Frequent suicides in the service. There is no perceived honor in our conflicts anymore. If people saw a honorable war, it would significantly drive recruitment, but no such thing, and speaking from experience, shitty leadership, your career determined by petty base politics since it your supe that writes your evaluation and determine if you advance.

I can rag on the failures for hours, but that the surface of it.

I do not now about how things are running now, I’ve been retired for about 7 years now. However, when I deployed to Iraq and a couple other Middle Eastern country, not one Marine over the years has thought about what the people think back at home about what we’re doing over there. Civilians do not matter at war and neither does their opinion. We do not care about their honor.

We get sent a mission, we brief, plan, and execute to make sure we try and get everyone home.

The lying to the people about war has been around since the beginning of history. We just now have the ability to show every one everything that is going on.

What branch of the service did you serve, if you don’t mind me asking? I am sorry you had a crappy experience with your leadership, but it isn’t all like that. I enjoyed my time in the Corps and it gave my life a lot of meaning. I got to serve people around the world, help build hospitals in Iraq, provide security for girls that attended school, gave villages running water for the first time, hunted down terroists that killed their own people.

On a side note: I have not and still do not care what some civilian has to say about what I did in combat. They’ve never seen the real world or what happens in it, so their thoughts and opinions are worthless. If folks do not want to enlist because either they see the military as weak or baby killers, that’s their opinion and what I defended.
 

belmarduk

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Or it was true and quickly changed after the article was posted, or the results were localized dependent on what state was trying to access them. I've seen enough actual examples of google screwing with search results to benefit their ideological views to give the benefit of the doubt here. Not going to assume this was a lie, but I'm not going to assume it was the truth either.

Yeah, yeah. The old MLM motto "Don't trust Google!" It would have to have been changed very quickly.. like within the hour because it was posted here immediately after The Daily Wire posted this nonsense.

The problem here is that The Daily Wire thinks its readership are gullible idiots.

We all know Hamas rapes women.
 

Happosai

Hold onto your panties
Yes, tell them to suck it up and die for foreign interests. Gonna work real well for morale.
Goodness, your post history tells a story. I'll say this and then I'm done with you. What's this about dying for foreign interests? Israel is an ally of the U.S. and worth every bit fighting for. Keep listening to that old hippie message from "Fortunate Son." This isn't Vietnam and not even comparable. Cut the crap. Like I said, life is hard. Hard lessons to learn. Recruitment or draft isn't a morale move either. Gonna work real well to build whiny children into men or women.
I do not now about how things are running now, I’ve been retired for about 7 years now. However, when I deployed to Iraq and a couple other Middle Eastern country, not one Marine over the years has thought about what the people think back at home about what we’re doing over there. Civilians do not matter at war and neither does their opinion. We do not care about their honor.

We get sent a mission, we brief, plan, and execute to make sure we try and get everyone home.

The lying to the people about war has been around since the beginning of history. We just now have the ability to show every one everything that is going on.

What branch of the service did you serve, if you don’t mind me asking? I am sorry you had a crappy experience with your leadership, but it isn’t all like that. I enjoyed my time in the Corps and it gave my life a lot of meaning. I got to serve people around the world, help build hospitals in Iraq, provide security for girls that attended school, gave villages running water for the first time, hunted down terroists that killed their own people.

On a side note: I have not and still do not care what some civilian has to say about what I did in combat. They’ve never seen the real world or what happens in it, so their thoughts and opinions are worthless. If folks do not want to enlist because either they see the military as weak or baby killers, that’s their opinion and what I defended.
Thank you for that message, good sir. Tajaz2426 Tajaz2426

Keyboard military is what he served in. Rank: Retard. The side you wrote pretty much something everyone needs to read. Bolding that and thank you for your service.
 

Meicyn

Gold Member
Said it before, will say it again. The all volunteer military works and this is not the first time, nor will it be the last where recruitment numbers fall short. When the need arises, capable folks will step forward.

Case in point, here is the US military struggling to meet recruitment goals in 1999:


Young people, he said, now have numerous options for financing a college education, and high school graduates with skills have little problem finding good jobs. Moreover, with the advent of the Internet and cable television, reaching that audience has become more complicated.
 

MrA

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Goodness, your post history tells a story. I'll say this and then I'm done with you. What's this about dying for foreign interests? Israel is an ally of the U.S. and worth every bit fighting for. Keep listening to that old hippie message from "Fortunate Son." This isn't Vietnam and not even comparable. Cut the crap. Like I said, life is hard. Hard lessons to learn. Recruitment or draft isn't a morale move either. Gonna work real well to build whiny children into men or women.

Thank you for that message, good sir. Tajaz2426 Tajaz2426

Keyboard military is what he served in. Rank: Retard. The side you wrote pretty much something everyone needs to read. Bolding that and thank you for your service.
Meet some Vietanemese people, especially Montegrand and RVA vets, the South Vietnamese fought hard to push back the North and the Vietcong, and cutting their funding pulled the rug out from under them, just like today pulling support for Israel would potentially cripple them.
 

Happosai

Hold onto your panties
Meet some Vietanemese people, especially Montegrand and RVA vets, the South Vietnamese fought hard to push back the North and the Vietcong, and cutting their funding pulled the rug out from under them, just like today pulling support for Israel would potentially cripple them.
This is nothing short-term, that's for sure. Whether it's popular opinion or not, the U.S. will likely go full into this as they're already (from a military standpoint) moving forward with Israel.

Sharing history like you just did is hard for some folks to digest. That's just the reality of it and pop culture always told a different story fiction twist on Vietnam. That's why David Morrell's 'First Blood' sheds a fictional light on how an average small town which was full of itself treats a wandering Vietnam vet. We know the rest of the story though and that's really the other side.

Back to the topic though. Israel needs everyone's support right now. Doesn't mean everyone's cut out for military but there are many more ways to help out.
 

Happosai

Hold onto your panties
Said it before, will say it again. The all volunteer military works and this is not the first time, nor will it be the last where recruitment numbers fall short. When the need arises, capable folks will step forward.

Case in point, here is the US military struggling to meet recruitment goals in 1999:


Young people, he said, now have numerous options for financing a college education, and high school graduates with skills have little problem finding good jobs. Moreover, with the advent of the Internet and cable television, reaching that audience has become more complicated.
People will look at the retention data though and say, "well, it's not gonna be possible." I challenge those who've worked for me: be that first to stand up and prove them wrong. Because standing up (whether than means volunteering or not in our scenario) for a righteous cause is more noble than bickering from the backseat.
 

Tedditalk

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I do not now about how things are running now, I’ve been retired for about 7 years now. However, when I deployed to Iraq and a couple other Middle Eastern country, not one Marine over the years has thought about what the people think back at home about what we’re doing over there. Civilians do not matter at war and neither does their opinion. We do not care about their honor.

We get sent a mission, we brief, plan, and execute to make sure we try and get everyone home.

The lying to the people about war has been around since the beginning of history. We just now have the ability to show every one everything that is going on.

What branch of the service did you serve, if you don’t mind me asking? I am sorry you had a crappy experience with your leadership, but it isn’t all like that. I enjoyed my time in the Corps and it gave my life a lot of meaning. I got to serve people around the world, help build hospitals in Iraq, provide security for girls that attended school, gave villages running water for the first time, hunted down terroists that killed their own people.

On a side note: I have not and still do not care what some civilian has to say about what I did in combat. They’ve never seen the real world or what happens in it, so their thoughts and opinions are worthless. If folks do not want to enlist because either they see the military as weak or baby killers, that’s their opinion and what I defended.
I served in the USN as an IC3 on a destroyer, arleigh Burke class. I wanted a better service. Maybe I will get my chance again one day.
 
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Tedditalk

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Goodness, your post history tells a story. I'll say this and then I'm done with you. What's this about dying for foreign interests? Israel is an ally of the U.S. and worth every bit fighting for. Keep listening to that old hippie message from "Fortunate Son." This isn't Vietnam and not even comparable. Cut the crap.

They blew up one of my warships and American buried the investigation because Israel represented to strong an asset for Middle Eastern surveillance and intervention to foreit. Old history I know, but it always struck me what value do we obtain from protecting it if the cost this great.


Like I said, life is hard. Hard lessons to learn. Recruitment or draft isn't a morale move either. Gonna work real well to build whiny children into men or women.

You asking these whining children to risk dying for your ideals. I say it is warranted. They maintain the right to question, resist and argue.

Edit: Saw your remark. Don't deserve the kindness.
 
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belmarduk

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Said it before, will say it again. The all volunteer military works and this is not the first time, nor will it be the last where recruitment numbers fall short. When the need arises, capable folks will step forward.

Case in point, here is the US military struggling to meet recruitment goals in 1999:


Young people, he said, now have numerous options for financing a college education, and high school graduates with skills have little problem finding good jobs. Moreover, with the advent of the Internet and cable television, reaching that audience has become more complicated.

Are you talking about the US military? I mean, a great segment of our population of military age males are obese and/or drug addicted. Wouldn't that disqualify them from service?
 

Meicyn

Gold Member
Are you talking about the US military? I mean, a great segment of our population of military age males are obese and/or drug addicted. Wouldn't that disqualify them from service?
I was underweight before I joined the military 21 years ago. one of my friends who joined was overweight. Weight is a temporary problem that both of us overcame before we shipped off for boot camp.

When the right motive is there, people will adapt. For us, 9/11 was that motivator. Prior to that, I was a lazy slob and all I did was drink pepsi and play videogames with zero aspirations in life.

I’m derailing the thread with my dumb anecdotes so I’ll say no more on the recruiting matter.
 

StreetsofBeige

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I was underweight before I joined the military 21 years ago. one of my friends who joined was overweight. Weight is a temporary problem that both of us overcame before we shipped off for boot camp.

When the right motive is there, people will adapt. For us, 9/11 was that motivator. Prior to that, I was a lazy slob and all I did was drink pepsi and play videogames with zero aspirations in life.

I’m derailing the thread with my dumb anecdotes so I’ll say no more on the recruiting matter.
Just curious about boot camp. In the movies you got angry drill sargenats yelling at recruits who are unfit. Yell enough and eventually they get better and fit.

Is this true?

I've always been a chunky guy. Always terrible at endurance stuff like long distance running in gym class. But since I was chunky and had enough skill I could hold my own in sports that involve some fatties pushing their weight around. Oddly, I could always hit jumpers in basketball too.

So if I was a new guy in boot camp who cant run or do push ups, would I get constantly yell at, and if I cant do it I get punished doing double the laps or carrying more baggage?
 

ADiTAR

ידע זה כוח
Just curious about boot camp. In the movies you got angry drill sargenats yelling at recruits who are unfit. Yell enough and eventually they get better and fit.

Is this true?

I've always been a chunky guy. Always terrible at endurance stuff like long distance running in gym class. But since I was chunky and had enough skill I could hold my own in sports that involve some fatties pushing their weight around. Oddly, I could always hit jumpers in basketball too.

So if I was a new guy in boot camp who cant run or do push ups, would I get constantly yell at, and if I cant do it I get punished doing double the laps or carrying more baggage?
It's not just the activity part of it, also the food, you're not given McDonald's.
 

Meicyn

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Just curious about boot camp. In the movies you got angry drill sargenats yelling at recruits who are unfit. Yell enough and eventually they get better and fit.

Is this true?

I've always been a chunky guy. Always terrible at endurance stuff like long distance running in gym class. But since I was chunky and had enough skill I could hold my own in sports that involve some fatties pushing their weight around. Oddly, I could always hit jumpers in basketball too.

So if I was a new guy in boot camp who cant run or do push ups, would I get constantly yell at, and if I cant do it I get punished doing double the laps or carrying more baggage?
Oh, you’ll get yelled at for sure. If you aren’t cutting it, they’ll make your life hell until you do. I was one of those folks myself! I was a scrawny lazy weak fuck with no endurance, and by the end I was running a 6 minute mile pace and able to do 50 pushups per minute no problem. The human body is remarkably adaptive.


More on topic:


“Senior U.S. Officials have stated that Hamas attempted to use Ambulances provided by the Red Cross and Red Crescent to Escape from Gaza to Egypt earlier this week alongside 76 Palestinians who had been Seriously Wounded and required Higher-Medical Care in Egypt; the Plot was Discovered by the United States and Egypt when they they were provided a List by Palestinian Authorities of Patients who needed to be Transferred out of the Gaza Strip to Egypt, but after Vetting it was realized that over a “Third” of the Names were of known Hamas Terrorists so that List was Rejected and only 76 were Accepted.”
 

Happosai

Hold onto your panties
They blew up one of my warships and American buried the investigation because Israel represented to strong an asset for Middle Eastern surveillance and intervention to foreit. Old history I know, but it always struck me what value do we obtain from protecting it if the cost this great.




You asking these whining children to risk dying for your ideals. I say it is warranted. They maintain the right to question, resist and argue.

Edit: Saw your remark. Don't deserve the kindness.
I stand corrected. Won't agree 100% on your view of draft or recruitment. But, regarding your position in USN -- I sincerely apologize for any disrespect. You didn't deserve that and I was the arrogant clown for mocking you.

Regardless of what may pass though or your personal history. It's our duty to defend Israel.
The whining kids I said from the start -with a grain of salt. It's not an ideal to feel youth who are too busy supporting terrorism wouldn't be better off serving the nation. Argue it back but that's because you're using your personal history as idealogy that no U.S. soldier should fight for Israel. You were in the war. You saw death. People will die in this. That's war. And again post history says aside from an apology, there is nothing further for us to discuss.
 
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Havoc2049

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Just curious about boot camp. In the movies you got angry drill sargenats yelling at recruits who are unfit. Yell enough and eventually they get better and fit.

Is this true?

I've always been a chunky guy. Always terrible at endurance stuff like long distance running in gym class. But since I was chunky and had enough skill I could hold my own in sports that involve some fatties pushing their weight around. Oddly, I could always hit jumpers in basketball too.

So if I was a new guy in boot camp who cant run or do push ups, would I get constantly yell at, and if I cant do it I get punished doing double the laps or carrying more baggage?
In the US Marines and I'm sure the other branches have similar programs, recruits take an initial Physical Fitness Test. If a recruit fails to meet the minimum standards, they are sent to the Physical Conditioning Platoon to get up to speed. The nickname for this unit is lovingly referred to as the Pork Chop Platoon. 😋

This video is old, but still relevant:
 
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Kenpachii

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In the US Marines and I'm sure the other branches have similar programs, recruits take an initial Physical Fitness Test. If a recruit fails to meet the minimum standards, they are sent to the Physical Conditioning Platoon to get up to speed. The nickname for this unit is lovingly referred to as the Pork Chop Platoon. 😋

This video is old, but still relevant:


I need to sign up for one of those, god dam 1 pound a day is good shit.
 

ShadowNate

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A good speech from Vice-Chancelor in Germany, Rober Habeck, posted on twitter:


I wish there was most concensus on this. It should be easy, and we should be united as humans against terrorism. Yet, here we are, with "protests" full of people that are in support of something they know fuck all about, chanting a slogan that they have not thought it through (it's easier for me to believe they are stupid, than the alternative).

My country's official stance has been in support of Israel and their right to self-defence clearly condemning the attack on October 7th as a terrorist attach. However, the hard-communist party is (expectedly) completely opposed to this, goes with the brain-dead "yes, but the other side suffers more", and as per usual tries to be the louder person in the room. It's their usual wooden speech, repeated ad nauseam, ignoring basic facts, history, recent and past, claiming they speak for the majority of the people (and fuck no, they don't).

Politics and activism for the shake of division and guided by hard dogmas are a cancer.
 
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