Because for a normal functioning government, there is no reason to hate Israel - it is literally a tech hub of the region. And it is becoming important for the trade route India-Europe. If any country wants development, it will support Israel.
It's not really a tragedy when you understand that no one hates Muslims more than other Muslims
The countries who've allied their business with Israel would also agree with this. Israel is not just a tech hub for those looking to develop but seems very growth oriented. This is one of many reasons why so many nations envy or hate Israel. Those without the knowledge, infrastructure or power to develop tend to think that they'll gain all of this if they conquered Israel. We all know what that would look like though. The borders of Israel paint a picture of how religion and lack of progress driven innovation make them look like they are...nothing compared to Israel.
You say ignoring but that's not the case. You're declaring it to be fact that things will repeat and seem to be unwilling to accept nor read into Israel's history yourself. The only thing repetitive are your posts. Please stop quoting me.
Is a conviction required? Or can you kill a fellow student, get out on bail and still attend classes at Harvard while awaiting trial?
If the victim is a white Jew you can probably get away with itIs a conviction required? Or can you kill a fellow student, get out on bail and still attend classes at Harvard while awaiting trial?
from someone who physically speaking should really not try to get physical with anyone...
I'll put it out there. I connected with the co-owner this morning. They do have the three locations but are very small. Many of these small businesses in NYC don't really feel protected. They're probably not going to publish action on social. If he (the co-owner) happens to share with me their stance on this or if the person is identified; I'll ask permission before sharing. You don't attack small businesses, that gets personal with me. You especially don't dare spread this anti-Semitic garbage into a respectful establishment.
There's a key difference here though. Israel doesn't have blood on their hands, so they'd have nothing to renounce and history shows that they cannot/will not be wiped off the map. I understand what you're saying though if it were regarding what the UN keeps pushing which is for permanent ceasefire. The thing is, if you read back even over the past 16-years you'll see that there's been plenty of tension in the West Bank & Gaza against Israel. Palestinians (which I hesitate to call given they live in a fictitious nation) had plenty of evidence that extremist leaders wanted the events of the 7th of October to take place years ago. However, rather than renounce that violence, they voted on it and elected Hamas into power. Therefore, let them eat war. They don't want peace.
People don't understand that, it is impossible to appeal to emotions because again - for them Palestinians are "underdeveloped" and thus "always a victim". It is a form a racism in a way - treat them like lesser humans that require protection and don't know what they are doing.
This goes beyond Gaza/Israel and religions butting heads.
That's pretty much the answer and solution without having to dive into every possible detail. It was exhaustive attempting to have discussion with a member on this the other day who refused to offer anything. Probably nothing more annoying that people who love to point at the problems but never offer a solution.
I would argue that nothing has gone away - and will never go away. Remove police and electricity - and it will become stone age quite fast. Hate, desire to kill etc. did not go away. It is just the laws make people afraid of the punishment - the moment the idea of the punishment goes away (as we saw with all those Hamas supporters), people literally return to barbaric ways. Hell, Libya literally got slave markets after the collapse...
Sorry if it sounded as if I was saying it went away. I said 'seemingly'. It was taboo and for awhile it seemed most had learned this was wrong. That's why this was key to teach about the terrors of anti-Semitism in schools back in the day which reached their previous height during WWll. They've been there but only radical groups like KKK (or similar groups_ were outspoken about hatred against the Jews in the West for the longest time. You see it everywhere now though. People you thought you could trust in entertainment, sports or even 'friends' who turned out to be anti-Semitic but kept quiet till just recently. I think the laws of punishment will return once Israel wins this. Despite what the UN may try to do to prevent that.
Wow. This really sucks. Sounds like Hamas set them out into an area where they knew this would happen too. IDF is fighting one of the most disgusting enemies I've ever heard of. The very fact that Hamas dress as civilians or anything really to blend in to attack would make it difficult for them to discern properly on this. Especially given how quickly a target can get without a visible weapon and yet have a bomb hidden under clothing only to detonate in close proximity. Really is a casualty of war and sorry to hear this. But you are correct. This is all on Hamas for the atmosphere of terror they've created.
I’m pretty sure Jews have the first place locked as a nation that suffered the most through history.
And the immediate argument people will throw will be: "They are more developed than Palestinians, so they are less of victims".
This is precisely why the argument fails intellectually. The only way to phrase it in a manner that accurately reflects the liberal perspective is by saying liberals support those who have suffered more during their own lifetime. Consequently, more liberals are young.
Agreed. It's a further example of recency bias. Of course, some amount of recency bias is healthy - we don't go around judging people by medieval moral standards, even though that era lasted a thousand years and we've only been out of it for roughly five hundred. So the question is: "where do you pass the line between present history and old history that no longer affects present day conflicts?" And obviously there isn't a uniform answer to that, it depends on the region and the conflict.
I'd argue China. Its whole history is basically thousands of years of "Jing Yang Ping rises to power. Millions perish. Civil war."
Well, chinese scale has always been quite big - they literally european level wars thousand years before. I remember the quote that europe did not reach chinese scale of wars and conflicts (with death toll) until 18th century or something.
Exactly. I loved that Maher video as well. Not that it ultimately matters now, because the decision to form Israel was a long time ago and no one in charge of anything today had anything to do with that decision, but what was the plan when it came to Arab homes in the original plans for Israel?
Yeah, I don't know what's going on there, but we've been fighting for two months and I'm not sure where we are now at this stage. I said from the getgo our leaders are weak and I thought everyone in charge on 10/7 should have resigned and let someone else take over, you can't run a mission with failed leadership.
Yeah, I don't know what's going on there, but we've been fighting for two months and I'm not sure where we are now at this stage. I said from the getgo our leaders are weak and I thought everyone in charge on 10/7 should have resigned and let someone else take over, you can't run a mission with failed leadership.
United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
"According to the plan, Jews and Arabs living in the Jewish state would become citizens of the Jewish state and Jews and Arabs living in the Arab state would become citizens of the Arab state."
2m arabs are living in Israel today, enjoying a much better economic life than any other Arab nation in the area.
abcnews.go.com
It's a Russian philosophical thing. Empires are only bad when there are ships involved. If it is a land based empire that is always threatening its neighbours and brutally suppressing its regions, then it's even sort of cool because no boats.
