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[vpance]

As long as Western developers dominate the game industry, I think really sexy women are a thing of the past unfortunately. Shame that we are in an age where wanting to see sexy and beautiful women in a game makes you a weirdo or someone will tell you to seek porn.

Games like most entertainment are an escape and people male and female want to see very attractive people. I never understood why they seek the most beautiful women for TV, entertainment and movies, but very beautiful or feminine characters in a game are unacceptable. Guess certain people get jealous and very uncomfortable with fictional characters that look better than them.

In movies and TV casting uglies for leads generally isn't going to work. People just won't watch and execs aren't going to risk signing off on that.

In games however they can kinda get away with it, because gameplay is still the most important thing.

 

[Mossybrew]

I don't disagree, but you can chill a bit, mate. Getting offended doesn't lead to more upvotes here.

"My opinion is the reality of the world. Agree or become an incel for life" is particularly weak.

Hmmm I'd hope that my post didn't come off as too offended, more a reality check. You also don't deny that I'm right, so? Also your supposition that I'm merely after "upvotes" is completely wrong and what's part of the problem.

 

[existensmaximum]

What about sexy men? Why are all men in video games portrayed as vicious killers!?

 

[Rikoi]

Hmmm I'd hope that my post didn't come off as too offended, more a reality check. You also don't deny that I'm right, so? Also your supposition that I'm merely after "upvotes" is completely wrong and what's part of the problem.

I'd say the biggest flaw with your previous post is the fact that you are treating women characters like real women.

While your post would be perfect if we were talking about real women, it doesn't make sense for videogames, because characters have no emotions and they have no personality, their personality is created by the developers, based on preferences, which in one way or another, decides how she should be.
She can't care about "what she wants to be", because she's not real, they can't "become better" in game, because they are not real. The personality is injected from their creator.

If he thinks that a certain personality/body type is more feminine that's his preferences, saying that he can't have said preferences but must accept everything that comes at him or else he would be an incel, it's kinda limiting.
Everyone has their tastes even in real life.

 

[bitbydeath]

Dat caboose tho.

 

[Mossybrew]

I'd say the biggest flaw with your previous post is the fact that you are treating women characters like real women.

While your post would be perfect if we were talking about real women, it doesn't make sense for videogames, because characters have no emotions and they have no personality, their personality is created by the developers, based on preferences, which in one way or another, decides how she should be.

Then you could level this stupid criticism at ANY media, books, videogames, movies, etc. It would still fall flat because these are depictions of women and in such media we suspend our disbelief, otherwise none of these stories work. Characters in stories are ALWAYS created by an author, you didn't give a shit when Princess Leia was written by a dude decades ago but now that representations are a bit more realistic it's a problem?

 

[IfuckinghateReddit]

Buy a Switch

 

[bitbydeath]

Then you could level this stupid criticism at ANY media, books, videogames, movies, etc. It would still fall flat because these are depictions of women and in such media we suspend our disbelief, otherwise none of these stories work. Characters in stories are ALWAYS created by an author, you didn't give a shit when Princess Leia was written by a dude decades ago but now that representations are a bit more realistic it's a problem?

Are ugly people really that common though? I mean if you go out you should be more likely to find beautiful people over uggos right?

 

[Rikoi]

Then you could level this stupid criticism at ANY media, books, videogames, movies, etc. It would still fall flat because these are depictions of women and in such media we suspend our disbelief, otherwise none of these stories work. Characters in stories are ALWAYS created by an author, you didn't give a shit when Princess Leia was written by a dude decades ago but now that representations are a bit more realistic it's a problem?

I think we could, yes.
Though anything that requires real people might treated differently, because they have their real life personality which we could argue it can't change.
However the author can still tell the actors how they should behave and what they have to say.
Of course a story in a galaxy far away from here is not real and we have to immerse in the narrative if we want to enjoy the story, but we can still relate to the characters, which we can like or not based on our preferences.
I'm not sure what you mean by realistic, because ugly angry women are realistic, but so are beautiful kind women, they both exist.

 

[Mossybrew]

Are ugly people really that common though?

I don't know where you live but yes LOL they are.

 

[JTCx]

hopefully next gen brings more 3d tits.

 

[bitbydeath]

I don't know where you live but yes LOL they are.

Australia mate!

 

[brap]

Buy a Switch

This

 

[Saint Boot]

Ok seriously, the bottom gif smile is creeping me out. not ugly, but it looks like the start of every nightmare in which everything is pleasant at first, then turns south.

Evil grin....


It's like the female version of Norman Bates:

 

[DelireMan7]

That's really sad IMO.

Hopefully Japan will save us again with games like Bayonetta 3.

People are really considering Bayonetta an attractive/beautiful/sexy character ?

I never could tell if it's a sarcasm or not. Because for me, she's definitely not ; too "over the top" and ridiculous outfit/pose.

 

[THEAP99]

Uh.. Weird ?

 

[sol_bad]

OP should try pornhub if he's that hard up.

This is a really silly comment. People wanting attractive video game characters to look at does not mean they want to whack off to them.
I mean it is pretty disappointing that there are no traditionally attractive women in western games anymore. It's so weird, pretty much every other industry still uses very attractive people as the faces of their product or whatever the case is. Video games is the weird exception to the norm and it makes no sense.

Seriously, if people are offended by attractive people than I'm sorry to say but they are fucked in the head. You see attractive people walking down the damn street every single day of your life. If these offended people are shut ins, than yeah, they need to seek some professional help.

 

[Dontero]

Aloy looks like female dwarf just without a beard.

 

[Rhazer Fusion]

Are ugly people really that common though? I mean if you go out you should be more likely to find beautiful people over uggos right?

Not necessarily. That depends on where you live.

 

[idrago01]

Feminism has injected itself into western video games like a virus, they did the same with comics, some here may be in denial but it's the truth, there's absolutely nothing wrong with wanting feminine and attractive women celebrated in video games.

 

[Shubh_C63]

Personally I don't think the decision to add a female character just to have her as an eye candy is sexist or ill.
As long as the female character we give a damn about are well written.

And this is not an issue because we are not going to see those female characters anymore. Wish someone just makes a over sexualised Male centred fantasy game already. People will play it just to make a point.

 

[sublimit]

I'm seriously surprised by some of the juvenile replies and insults in this thread.

Is it really that bad to want to have aesthetically beautiful characters in games? Why does sex appeal has to be a bad thing? Does having beautiful and sexy characters in movies mean that you will be masturbating in cinemas? Why has it become a taboo in Western games?

Also just to make myself perfectly clear:
I have ZERO problems if the characters themselves are straight,gay,lesbian or trans.
And i'm not saying that all characters should look like top models. But i want this industry to have at least a few characters who look aesthetically pleasing and confident with their sex appeal regardless of their sexual orientation. Aesthetics in games are very important for me.

Is that so much to ask??

 

[brap]

I'm seriously surprised by some of the juvenile replies and insults in this thread.

Is it really that bad to want to have aesthetically beautiful characters in games? Why does sex appeal has to be a bad thing? Does having beautiful and sexy characters in movies mean that you will be masturbating in cinemas? Why has it become a taboo in Western games?

Also just to make myself perfectly clear:
I have ZERO problems if the characters themselves are straight,gay,lesbian or trans.
And i'm not saying that all characters should look like top models. But i want this industry to have at least a few characters who look aesthetically pleasing and confident with their sex appeal regardless of their sexual orientation. Aesthetics in games are very important for me.

Is that so much to ask??

They're a bunch of ugly incels that hate being reminded that good looking people exist and that people have sex.
They want everything in the world to be ugly so they can feel better about themselves.
These people seriously think that if you see somebody good looking you immediately want to jerk off to them. That's how fucked their minds are.

 

[Rhazer Fusion]

I think the problem with Western developers is, there is rarely any balance or variety in the aesthetics or even the personalities of their female characters. It's almost always the same style of females. T-shirt, jeans, boring regular outfits, same tough attitude, homely, average to above decent looks, same physic basically, etc.

I feel that Western developers don't believe a woman can be strong, yet glamorous or feminine at the same time. Japanese developers are MUCH better at creating varied female characters and personalities and this is coming from someone who actually likes most of the female characters in Western games. There is nothing wrong with grounded, realistic characters in games, but I wouldn't mind if they went outside the box more and became a little more imaginative.

 

[nikolino840]

Are ugly people really that common though? I mean if you go out you should be more likely to find beautiful people over uggos right?

"Uggos" like me are inside playing videogames not outside

 

[Yoshi]

I did not keep track of this, but what about th Horizon lady?

 

[Rhazer Fusion]

I did not keep track of this, but what about th Horizon lady?

I personally think Aloy is pretty cute, but most people think she is an abomination and hideous.

 

[Raonak]

I did not keep track of this, but what about th Horizon lady?

nope too ugly for most people in here XD
they want dem big anime tiddies or 9/10 minimum.

shit, for some reason there's people saying PS1 era lara croft is more attractive than most modern female characters.

 

[jigglet]

Don't know the last time I thought a woman was really attractive in a video game. Maybe the latest Tomb Raider? She was hot as hell.

 

[brap]

I personally think Aloy is pretty cute, but most people think she is an abomination and hideous.

Looks like a fucking goblin

 

[Plies]

it's a reflection of the times we live in.

 

[SkylineRKR]

I get you OP. Sadly I think its all long gone at this point until there is an eventual culture shift, if it ever happens (in our lifetime). For me personally TLoU2 was kind of the last straw, I can't stand most, hell, nearly all western games now. There are so many games on the market and my backlog is so freaking huge I've decided to only buy and play through titles that check enough boxes on my expectation list. For me most are Asian made, though eastern Europe seems to still be holding out thankfully. I'll be getting a PS5 but only mainly for the Japanese support as I don't see Xbox getting everything especially day and date, though Dragon Quest XI S and Balan Wonderland are cool.

Its unfortunate that some people tend to assume those wanting a pretty character who acts feminine is just wanting to masturbate. Its a cheap denigration tactic to insult the character of someone. There was a time when in most art and human history that ideals were the norm but in this post-modern world various movements have tried to throw that all aside for various reasons. And not just men but women too like looking at attractive characters in art. My gf loves Senran Kagura for the sexiness, bikinis and humor, and is always trying new hairstyles thanks to anime and games. Its not just games though, with film and comics having been overcome too for some time as well. When it comes to cinema we usually only watch older films, and its so nice to see what used to be the (in our minds) norm.

Japanese games are much better this gen, imo.

They had a lot of catch up to do after the for them horrible PS360 generation. But outside of safe and risk free character design I feel western games are very formulaic. Open world filled with quests. even Tsushima, which is a great western game imo, has the recruit people to retaliate storyline we know from Mass Effect, Dragon Age and many W-games.

This gen my fave games are almost all Japanese. Persona 5, RE, FFXIV, DMC, Yakuza, Death Stranding, Tekken 7, DQXI. Even FFVII which I didn't really like offered a different enough experience from average western games. My next one will be Gundam, can't wait.

I hardly play western games. This year probably 2, TLOU2 and Tsushima which happened back to back. I feel Japan doesn't give a shit. Remember what Yoko Taro said? He simply answered that he liked 2B's design the way it is. Boom.

 

[The Chairman]

I'm sorry but no, you are speaking from a place of intense personal bias. You don't get to dictate what is feminine, or "being a woman" - this is just a clash of your old fashioned, immature outdated values that want to place women in a box that is pleasing and nonthreatening to you, and the reality that a woman is whatever the fuck she wants to be and doesn't care what you want her to be. And women in games are slowly becoming a bit better at this. This isn't SJW nonsense but just the reality of the world. Catch up or become an incel for life.

-i played that game only because of the soundtrack
okay
-i played that game only because of the gameplay mechanics
okay
-i played that game only because of the graphics
okay
-i played that game only because the female character is sexy
OMFG INCEL PORN GO JERK OFF@R$I##HN *incoherent screeching*

And this hysteria at the mere mention of criticizing ugly character or wanting sexy ones in video games makes you look positively unhinged brain washed SJW

 

[joe_zazen]

I'd let Aloy bowcaster me anyday.
Smart, strong, resourceful savior of the future that fights against gigantic robot beasts with a fucking bow and arrow!

And a redhead

no bathing, no toothbrushing...stanky ass & toothless...could be hot if you are into that sort of thing.

 

[idrago01]

Looks like a fucking goblin

She's more like a chubby ginger boy, but admittedly she's at least passable unlike the female hero from mass effect andromeda or that chick from control with the man chin.

 

[joe_zazen]

Then female gamers started joining in and now it's "wahh we can't have sexy women in games because it gives an unfair representation, sexy wiminz r bad!!"

Stupid bitches.

fuck that. It isn't female gamers, many of which who are lesbian or trans women. It is mostly woke males pushing it in gaming, just like it is mostly woke authoritarian whites burning cities.

 

[idrago01]

I think the problem is with Western developers is, there is rarely any balance or variety in the aesthetics or even the personalities of their female characters. It's almost always the same style of females. T-shirt, jeans, boring regular outfits, same tough attitude, homely, average to above decent looks, same physic basically, etc.

I feel that Western developers don't believe a woman can be strong, yet glamorous or feminine at the same time. Japanese developers are MUCH better at creating varied female characters and personalities and this is coming from someone who actually likes most of the female characters in Western games. There is nothing wrong with grounded, realistic characters in games, but I wouldn't mind if they went outside the box more and became a little more imaginative.

It's more like they don't want any negative attention from the blue haired whales on twitter

 

[GymWolf]

This must be one of the biggest idiotic things I have ever read.
Are you telling me that the society is lecturing me on what my dong should be erected to?
Men have liked feminine features for years, big boobs included, it wasn't society or TV that told men what they had to like. Women grew boobs when humans acquired the bipede stance, because men were looking at their chest instead of their ass and so boobs grew to simulate a fake ass. It's evolution, and it has nothing to do with mainstream teaching stuff.

 

[JonnyMP3]

no bathing, no toothbrushing...stanky ass & toothless...could be hot if you are into that sort of thing.

Projecting your insecurities much?
It's a games character.
She's not fucking real.
Go back to wanking yourself off to Ivy from Soul Caliber.
Who isn't real either.

 

[SnapShot]

This thread is missing [cringe] tag

 

[joe_zazen]

Projecting your insecurities much?
It's a games character.
She's not fucking real.
Go back to wanking yourself off to Ivy from Soul Caliber.
Who isn't real either.

whats a soul caliber?

 

[GymWolf]

What about her real-life counterpart?

Do you have another video? I bailed out from this one after 5 seconds of LEEEEG DAAAAY...

 

[Hostile_18]

So im a straight, average looking male. Ive got no problem with good looking males in video games. In most cases i prefer it (along with females of course) because games are escapism/fantasy.

For more realistic life like games (which are few and far between) then just what ever would make the most sense within the scene. Variety essentially just like real life.

Sure we all can name a couple of instances where a character design was too over the top, but honestly you've got to be pretty insecure in yourself to be worried that a game character is too good looking

 

[JonnyMP3]

whats a soul caliber?

A game series where little boys play with their 'weapons'

And yeah, I spelt it wrong, it should be 'Calibur'
Big. Fucking. Deal.
It was a typo. Le Problem?

 

[joe_zazen]

A game series where little boys play with their 'weapons'

And yeah, I spelt it wrong, it should be 'Calibur'
Big. Fucking. Deal.
It was a typo. Le Problem?

some people like women who smell like hot garbage. Why so angry?

 

[JonnyMP3]

some people like women who smell like hot garbage. Why so angry?

Because you seem to think that women in dystopian futures some how don't bathe. Like water and being clean stopped existing in society because of an apocalypse. So I get angry at stupid ass statements.

 

[Gormless Noodle]

It feels like they're trying to overcompensate for the over the top female designs of the past. But really, short haired Karen type women are essentially the baldheaded spacemarines of yesteryear. It's focus tested, boring garbage.

 

[joe_zazen]

.

Because you seem to think that women in dystopian futures some how don't bathe. Like water and being clean stopped existing in society because of an apocalypse. So I get angry at stupid ass statements.

She isnt real, no need to get offended on her behalf.

If society collapses, remaining humanity is going to stink real bad, die before the age of forty, have real shitty teeth, messed up bodies from malnourishment and life long parasite infections. I was just trying for a little humour juxtaposing the reality if something like that, and our stupid corporate media version in the context of videogame sexual appeal, which tries to walk the line of wokeness without actual ugliness.

 

[brap]

A game series where little boys play with their 'weapons'

And yeah, I spelt it wrong, it should be 'Calibur'
Big. Fucking. Deal.
It was a typo. Le Problem?

Because you seem to think that women in dystopian futures some how don't bathe. Like water and being clean stopped existing in society because of an apocalypse. So I get angry at stupid ass statements.

Lmao of course the guy that thinks the ginger goblin is attractive is one of the people projecting and taking video games so seriously

joe_zazen bro you better stop right now. You insulted his waifu. How can he jerk off to her after you said she smells???

 

[BluRayHiDef]

Do you have another video? I bailed out from this one after 5 seconds of LEEEEG DAAAAY...

Search her channel or skip to a later part of the video.