I meant practical as in "it was a real tent and not CGI". I'm well aware of the history.I think this comment belies that you don't really understand where the story is going, nor the real history the series is based on.
That tent isn't supposed to be 'practical'. Viserys was never meant to hunt the hart; it was almost meant to be presented to him to slay. It's all a show of power and wealth, and keeping the nobles content.
Here's an extreme example from real history:
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Eh, that's an opinion. King Viserys clearly was expecting to KILL a White Hart, Jayson gifts him a spear for that very purpose, the others apologized for it just being a regular stag.
Whether Rhaenyra seeing the stag alone (well, the Kingsguard being there still basically counts as being alone) will serve as internal motivation we will see, but I think it is UNDENIABLE that had she dragged it into camp it would have galvanized everyone about her legitimacy. Letting it go shows she still isn't ruthless enough to hold the crown. I bet there will be a call back in some fashion.
Laptop1991
Member
Just watched the 3rd episode, i'm still liking this so far and enjoying the show, it's more like the 1st 6 season's of GOT than the last 2 at the moment, looking forward to no 4.
Tchu-Espresso
likes mayo on everthing and can't dance
I’m liking the show so far. The political intrigue was always my favourite part of the series and the show runners are nicely leaning into that.
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Tchu-Espresso
likes mayo on everthing and can't dance
GoT seasons for 1-4 were simply amazing television.It's been three episodes and people are already throwing GoT under the bus for this? Shit is better than S5-8 EASILY but it's about on par with S1-4 for writing quality at least. I'm keen to shit on GoT whenever I can but don't make unrealistic claims.
It is good but I gotta see the quality remain this way to season end before I outright say it's better than the original.
Bragr
Banned
That fight at the end was strange, it's one of those scenes that have too many convenient sides to it. Like Daemon conveniently getting attacked by one and one person and not everyone at once, the dragon stealth approaching, the entire army landing and getting far into the battlefield without being noticed. It looked cool, but it wasn't written that well.
The time jump, again, jumped over major plots, and I sit back with the feeling of significant gaps. Maybe this works in the books, but it's an approach I dislike in the show, it's also something that doesn't fit visually as people look the same year after year, and then I assume it's gonna be a bit bigger jump at some point, and everyone suddenly looks completely different.
And I can't believe they reuse the same old song.
Still solid, nowhere near early GoT level, but it's on par with season 4-5-ish.
The time jump, again, jumped over major plots, and I sit back with the feeling of significant gaps. Maybe this works in the books, but it's an approach I dislike in the show, it's also something that doesn't fit visually as people look the same year after year, and then I assume it's gonna be a bit bigger jump at some point, and everyone suddenly looks completely different.
And I can't believe they reuse the same old song.
Still solid, nowhere near early GoT level, but it's on par with season 4-5-ish.
Lukaku's First Touch
Member
I'm liking the show but that final fight was a bit stupid. Also why did that evil guy just walk back in to his cave only to be killed of screen.
The funny thing about that final battle were the producers so happily exclaiming "he should have died like a dozen times, he never should have made it, it was clearly a suicide mission!"
My dudes, if you are writing a show based on GRRM ASOIAF and you EVER say "wow, he shoulda died in that battle" then well, you are NOT writing a GRRM ASOIAF battle scene
I REALLY gotta stop watching those producer vignettes. They have, in the episode, a great scene of all the ladies sitting around, essentially "holding court" in a way that could have EASILY shown the power women wield within this society, but NOOOOOOOO the producers dismiss their own scene saying Rhaenyra was "Struggling to deal with a mans world". Their weird feminist angle (as if three dudes can really push that) isn't actually that well represented in their own show. And not even a whisper of mention about Rhaenys, who is likely running Lord Corlys massive trade empire while he dawdles on the Step Stones...........shocker, HIS WIFE. Those ladies weren't just there to look good and have babies, they were the extension of the leaders before you could just radio in orders all day.
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Dramatic effect? The shot of Daemon dragging his corpse out was cool.
And the dudes from House Valeryon looked cool as hell in this episode. Awesome armor and the white dreads on black dudes looks cool too. The dragon rider yelling “whoo!” was kinda cringe but overall the best episode yet. Hope the show keeps its momentum.
Nico_D
Member
All three episodes watched. My opinion hasn't changed much. Too much talk about doing something instead of doing that thing.
Paddy Considine is good, occassionally even great but the king as a character is not. Unclear and illogical motives, and no direction when it comes to his character arc.
Milly Alcock is really good and her character is the best there currently is. There is will and short term motivation albeit her character arc isn't clear either: what does she want? But this show rests on her shoulders.
Matt Smith's Daemon at least has a clear motivation, it's just that the character is so one-dimensional.
The whole show should be clear about what it is about. GoT started with what the story is going to be. This show is just about this fanily which falls apart - or not.
People who say "this is tv series, you shouldn't expect to know people's motivations by the third episode" are just wrong. It is called exposition. Motivations and story arcs can evolve but you got to have those in place right out of the gate.
Those arrows at the end of the episode? With that markmanship it is a miracle they had managed to hold the isle as long.
The show is watchable but there's already more production stupidities than GoT had at the end of the 1st season.
Paddy Considine is good, occassionally even great but the king as a character is not. Unclear and illogical motives, and no direction when it comes to his character arc.
Milly Alcock is really good and her character is the best there currently is. There is will and short term motivation albeit her character arc isn't clear either: what does she want? But this show rests on her shoulders.
Matt Smith's Daemon at least has a clear motivation, it's just that the character is so one-dimensional.
The whole show should be clear about what it is about. GoT started with what the story is going to be. This show is just about this fanily which falls apart - or not.
People who say "this is tv series, you shouldn't expect to know people's motivations by the third episode" are just wrong. It is called exposition. Motivations and story arcs can evolve but you got to have those in place right out of the gate.
Those arrows at the end of the episode? With that markmanship it is a miracle they had managed to hold the isle as long.
The show is watchable but there's already more production stupidities than GoT had at the end of the 1st season.
Ulysses 31
Member
It all leads to "muh queen" anyway.
ManaByte
Member
Bran is a queen?
Ulysses 31
Member
Surely you know who was saying that the whole time and the sate of the show back then.
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Werewolf Jones
Member
You've clearly watched the episode 2 stand off between him and Otto Hightower where Rhaenerya intervenes and you really think he's one-dimensional?
There's A LOT of complex emotion inside of him for his feelings on his brother and his niece.
I think it looks pretty bad. Corlys pulls it off ok because that actor is killing it, but those white wigs on the others just looks off, especially the kids. Even worse is they give the men facial hair, but can't decide if it should be white like their hair or black like their natural hair, so they get this mixed coloring that just makes them look old.
Silver hair was far from universal in even Targaryens, particularly Rhaenys as her mother was Baratheon and she inherited the black hair (though this fluctuates depending on the books), so the silver hair really should have been reserved for the pure Targaryens and the actors that could pull it off best. Viserys and Rhaenyra maybe, Daemon could have done with dirty blonde I think.
Seems pretty obvious to me (granted, I've read the books) that the show is about the decision to have Rhaenrya inherit the throne instead of Aegon (the boy prince in ep3).
Ep1 establishes the Council precedent that succession goes to oldest male possible (Viserys) over the female descendant (Rhaenys) of the previous heir (they gloss over some specifics about the decision but there it is), Viserys hopes for a male, doesn't seem like he is gonna get it, so he appoints Rhaenyra heir over his own brother (who should have been the default option at that time).
Ep3 shows that the Kinga has a new POTENTIAL heir, and a male at that, to the succession is questionable, there are at least two (three if you still count Daemon, FOUR if you throw Rhaenys and her kids back in). The stage has been set for Viserys to die and a possible war to erupt over the succession. It's basically the same plot as GoT (were Roberts kids legitimate or should the crown go to Daenerys the last surviving Targaryen from the prior ruler).
Nico_D
Member
You've clearly watched the episode 2 stand off between him and Otto Hightower where Rhaenerya intervenes and you really think he's one-dimensional?
There's A LOT of complex emotion inside of him for his feelings on his brother and his niece.
For me, that was the show of the future Queen's power and built her character. Draegon just gave up because... they are related and she's a teenager - or because it supports her character arc and is dictated by plot? Personally I don't see the situation on the bridge as building up his character, it was, for the writers, an easy way out not that different than when Sheridan ended the shadow war with a chat.
Why didn't he try to save his face? To compromise? Bargain?
His bluff was called. Daemon alone can't resist the crown. He took the egg but had nothing to do with it (because his girl apparently wasn't pregnant) as he already has his own dragon. So his little petulant power-play was quickly cancelled when it became clear Viserys wasn't gonna let it slide like he had so many other infractions. Plus Daemon LIKES Rhaenyra, he wouldn't hurt her, so at that point what could he really do?
It was a decent way to show how rash Daemon is, how Rhaenyra can grow a spine when she wants to, and how Otto blusters but can't really touch a Targaryen if his life depended on it. Quite elegant if you ask me, though the made some deviations from the book I think were not the best.
Tams
Member
Thank fuck. It was my major concern with this.
HoodWinked
Member
how can you do this Rhaenyra
LaughingStock
Member
I'm starting to really like the actress playing Rhaenyra. It's a shame she's getting replaced.
I enjoyed episode 4 and I'm excited to watch the next one. I'm shocked.
I enjoyed episode 4 and I'm excited to watch the next one. I'm shocked.
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
I respect the hustle from Rhaenyra.
She wanted some from someone and was going to get it.
She wanted some from someone and was going to get it.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Uncle Damon, what are you doing.
Damn, good ep. They stepped up their costuming game LIKE MAD, the detail and quality of the dresses and Daemons armor jacket thing were INSANE. I thought RoP had a costuming Emmy locked down but not anymore.
Daemon looks waaaaaay better with that short haircut.
I figure Rhaenyra and Cole spent 3 hours getting all those clothes and armor off, 10 minutes banging, and then another 3 hours getting dressed again, just beating the rising sun
Annnnnnnnnnd fuck I listened to those idiots at the end and of course they are morons through and through. They constantly deprive Rhaenyra of ANY sense of responsibility, agency, or complicity in the consequences of her actions yet we are supposed to root for her to be Queen?
Anyone playing that DracARys dragon game they plug at the end of the ep?
Daemon looks waaaaaay better with that short haircut.
I figure Rhaenyra and Cole spent 3 hours getting all those clothes and armor off, 10 minutes banging, and then another 3 hours getting dressed again, just beating the rising sun
Annnnnnnnnnd fuck I listened to those idiots at the end and of course they are morons through and through. They constantly deprive Rhaenyra of ANY sense of responsibility, agency, or complicity in the consequences of her actions yet we are supposed to root for her to be Queen?
Anyone playing that DracARys dragon game they plug at the end of the ep?
Dynasty8
Member
Why's she getting replaced?
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
Timeskip.
BadBurger
Many “Whelps”! Handle It!
Great episode. While I obviously can't discuss it in detail, I see they're making this fresh and different enough in key ways to keep both camps of fans interested.
And homie of house Bracken, my man.... should have read your history before poppin' off
And homie of house Bracken, my man.... should have read your history before poppin' off
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skneogaf
Member
House of the dragon is much better than the rings of power, it is warming up quite nicely.
Its slowly reducing the pain of the last few seasons of game of thrones.
I hope once more and more George R R Martin stuff is made that I won't feel so strongly against the last few seasons.
Anyone know how many seasons of the house of dragons is likely to be?
Its slowly reducing the pain of the last few seasons of game of thrones.
I hope once more and more George R R Martin stuff is made that I won't feel so strongly against the last few seasons.
Anyone know how many seasons of the house of dragons is likely to be?
HoodWinked
Member
actually doesn't make sense why Viserys demoted Otto even when he confronted Daemon about whether he was at the whore house with Rhaenyra.
Lady Jane
Banned
Even though Rhaenyra shouldn’t have been there, Otto was being opportunistic about the situation by weakening her reputation so his grandson can be named heir. Viserys made the right decision.
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What A Shame...
Banned
Favourite episode of the show so far. The slower pace is definitely the way to go.
But what was up with Alicent's outrage over Rhaenyra and Daemon's relations? Her anger seemed misplaced... unless I'm missing something obvious.
But what was up with Alicent's outrage over Rhaenyra and Daemon's relations? Her anger seemed misplaced... unless I'm missing something obvious.
It's HIS JOB to report on stuff like this. He wasn't having Rhaenyra followed, she showed up someplace an informant already was.
And did that same kid take money from mystara in front of Daemon? Methinks she had that kid feed Otto a more lurid tale. Payback is a bitch
For non Targaryens the incest aspect is ANATHEMA. It is strickly against the teaching of the Seven.
Lady Jane
Banned
It's HIS JOB to report on stuff like this. He wasn't having Rhaenyra followed, she showed up someplace an informant already was.
And did that same kid take money from mystara in front of Daemon? Methinks she had that kid feed Otto a more lurid tale. Payback is a bitch
It wasn't what he said, it was his execution. He wasn't coming up with solutions to save Rhaenyra's image from last night. In-between the words, it was "Looks like your daughter's a whore. Oh I'm glad you brought up the heir situation, lets talk about that." That's the impression I got. If his interest lied with the king as it should, he would already be working on a solution. Maybe something like "I paid off the people who saw them. Anyone who brings it up from here on out will be seen as treason. Though you do need to talk to her so this doesn't happen again."
See what I mean? Otto was being opportunistic and was hoping to use that event to help his grandson be granted heir. If he approached that conversation differently, it could have saved him.
IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
What? Lol, why do you want talking Dragons that commit incest?! Sounds like a fetish.
Dragons don't talk in ASOIAF or in any of the lore. AFAIK, they also don't keep it in the family either.
AJUMP23
Parody of actual AJUMP23
Talking Dragons are cool.
What A Shame...
Banned
The Targaryen dynasty has always been incestuous. Wouldn't the entire realm be in revolt if it's such a forbidden practice?
Also, Otto literally suggested Rhaenyra wed her brother in the previous episode.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
So gaf: Whats worse? Brother sister incest? Or Uncle Niece incest?
Gonna go with the latter. Especially when the Niece is like 15 years old virgin who you take her into a whore house orgy.
P.S Why is GRRM so obssessed with incest? lol
Gonna go with the latter. Especially when the Niece is like 15 years old virgin who you take her into a whore house orgy.
P.S Why is GRRM so obssessed with incest? lol
Lady Jane
Banned
Incest and sex/marriage at those ages to older men was common in the middle ages. Media in the last 40 years rarely tackles that so a false view of those times have been created. It's why royalty had birth defects and odd physical forms. Towns were smaller then and in the nobility class, the options were limited. It's an uncomfortable topic that GRRM doesn't shy away from.
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
I will give you 14 years old being wed off but I dont know of any western royal family that had brother/sister, nephew/aunt or uncle/niece marriages. they mostly stuck to cousins at worst.
Lady Jane
Banned
They weren't marriages since that's against the church but there are a lot of suspect nobility that were born of incest. If you google "incest middles ages", you'll fine plenty of reading material. I would link but I don't want that in my search history lol. Basically, they were lonely in those castles and boning.
AJUMP23
Parody of actual AJUMP23
And when you tell yourselves that your bloodline is superior to other bloodlines, you will do some things to keep it pure.
