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HBO's House Of The Dragon (no book spoilers)

EviLore

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- Him losing his fucking mind and all his character development just because he slept with Rhaenyra for a SINGLE time. This is an experienced man of war who lost his mind because his crush didn't want to abandon her life and her crown for him after sleeping with him a single time while she was drunk.
An experienced man of war but a young guy, probably a virgin since he's so rigidly honorable and unmarried. Rhaenyra is a princess and future queen, too. It's not unreasonable for him to catch feels and start acting irrationally. He's in love. Also guilt-stricken for dishonoring himself as one of the kingsguard.
 

Nobody_Important

“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
An experienced man of war but a young guy, probably a virgin since he's so rigidly honorable and unmarried. Rhaenyra is a princess and future queen, too. It's not unreasonable for him to catch feels and start acting irrationally. He's in love. Also guilt-stricken for dishonoring himself as one of the kingsguard.
I mean I get that is the angle they are going for, but it's just so....out there in terms of the level of response. I wish there had been an episode in between where we could see him suffering internally, then approaching her, and then proceeding to degrade from there after her rejection. As well as a buildup of his alliance with Alicent.


It just happened too fast. He loves her and is ready to die for her, immediately loses his mind, and then suddenly his desire for death is overcome by the action of a character that he has had almost no onscreen interaction with.
 
Best episode yet.

Episode 6 trailer seems to suggest that Rhaenyra is having a baby out of wedlock? Seems like a white baby and someone says "we have eyes" or something like that.
 
I was eagerly awaiting director's commentary regarding Criston Cole as that was the one character and story bit this episode that came across as...odd. And of course, they said a single sentence about him and immediately moved on to talking about the King.

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And instead of delving into the blowback of what happened, the preview shows that the next episode is the big time skip. It was too quick of a jump from loyal, loving, and hopeful, to ashamed, burdened and saddened, to finally madness, unhinged, and enraged. They should have given him more scenes to show this slow burn and slow descent into finally beating a man's face in to beyond death, instead of treating it as a surprise and using screen time on yet another couple of scenes of the King doubting himself.

Aside from this, good episode.
 
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BadBurger

Many “Whelps”! Handle It!
So I wanted to wait a bit to give my opinions. Sorry for the rant.


*ahem*


At first I thought the episode was fan-fucking-tastic. The acting was arguably the best of the entire series. GoT included. Paddy's mannerisms when he tries to give his speech, Rhaenyra making her pact with Laenor and his response, Otto's heartfelt warning to his daughter and the realization it was never about gain and more about her safety, and Alicent's slow recognition of betrayal. It was a god damn masterclass and I feel awful that some of these actors are going to miss out on awards just because someone else in the show is that much better.


BUT


As a book reader the Criston Cole drama and his brutal public execution Ser Joffery Lonmouth stuff leaves such a bad taste in my mouth that I can't look past it. There are so many plotholes made by that single act that I honestly cannot even know where to start to list them all.

- A Kingsguard killing a well known and popular noble in front of the nobles of the land as well as the King himself. Literally anyone who have read the books would know this is so unheard of that it defies belief. Not only would this death immediately piss off the Baratheons (who are the liege lords of the Lonmouths) but it would lead to the IMMEDIATE imprisoning/execution of the Kingsguard in question. Especially considering that Ser Joffery was incapacitated LONG before he was actually dead. It was literal murder in full view of the whole kingdom basically.

- Him doing so without any explanation. There is no explanation for how the fight started. Not a BIT. It just happens out of nowhere in the middle of the dancefloor because somehow a Kingsguard Knight is full ass silver armor and white cloak just got in there unnoticed and started murdering him. Not only THAT, but he just somehow is allowed to leave the crowded room after murdering a noble in cold blood with all his armor and weapons to go off himself. Only to be saved at the last minute by the Queen who just SOMEHOW knew where he was and what he was going to do????

- Him losing his fucking mind and all his character development just because he slept with Rhaenyra for a SINGLE time. This is an experienced man of war who lost his mind because his crush didn't want to abandon her life and her crown for him after sleeping with him a single time while she was drunk.

- Them carrying out the wedding ceremony with no witnesses aside from the two houses themselves in the wrecked remains of the feast with NO clean up at all. Joffery's blood is literally still on the floor.

The members of the King's Guard hold powerful positions. Some random person, even if they're of a noble's entourage, who holds no rank or title, are just as much fodder to them as an errant noble would be to the king. That in mind, it's really not all that surprising that a King's Guard could beat some random person to death in a dispute and everyone in this medieval world would merely accept it.

Just step back and think: Cole is entrusted to escort the heir of the crown around, even in private, away from everyone else's prying eyes. Even as she sleeps. Cole is a very powerful person in the grand scheme of things. The guy he beat to death? Who knows? Just some guy as far as the larger kingdom is concerned. None of the smallfolk knew that guy's name before. The nobles don't know him. At the end of the day he was a puddle of blood some rat came to slurp up.

Meanwhile Ser Criston Cole is a member of the Guard and escort of the princess.
 
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Nobody_Important

“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
The members of the King's Guard hold powerful positions. Some random person, even if they're of a noble's entourage, who holds no rank or title, are just as much fodder to them as an errant noble would be to the king. That in mind, it's really not all that surprising that a King's Guard could beat some random person to death in a dispute and everyone in this medieval world would merely accept it.
Sorry, but that is just not true by the letter of the lore. The Kingsguard hold high positions in terms of respect and honor, but they are still just glorified knights of high regard. They are not above the nobility in terms of station. If one of them murder a noble lord or lady of the realm they would be sentenced to death just like anyone else unless it was in the pursuit of their duty as bodyguards to royal family, self defense, or in a tournament setting. Kingsguard have been gelded and sent to The Wall in the lore for simply violating their vows and having families in secret. Ser Criston even mentions this himself when speaking to Alicent. The murder of a noble rises FAR above that. Ser Joffery was of a noble house in the Stormlands. A direct Vassal of the Baratheons.


So unless they try to make up some plot point that Ser Criston was protecting Rhaenyra from Ser Joffery it is still a huge plot hole in the story itself.
 
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BadBurger

Many “Whelps”! Handle It!
Sorry, but that is just not true by the letter of the lore. The Kingsguard hold high positions in terms of respect and honor, but they are still just glorified knights of high regard. They are not above the nobility in terms of station. If one of them murder a noble lord or lady of the realm they would be sentenced to death just like anyone else unless it was in the pursuit of their duty as bodyguards to royal family, self defense, or in a tournament setting. Kingsguard have been gelded and sent to The Wall in the lore for simply violating their vows and having families in secret. Ser Criston even mentions this himself when speaking to Alicent. The murder of a noble rises FAR above that.


So unless they try to make up some plot point that Ser Criston was protecting Rhaenyra from Ser Joffery it is still a huge plot hole in the story itself.

Jaime Lannister literally murdered the king he was swore to protect, and all that happened was he was given an unflattering title as "King Slayer" but held his station and influence.

Ser Barristan Selmy was so well respected that he became legend and was almost always deferred to in times of war, even over whoever was Hand of the King or even chosen "generals" by numerous kings.

I could go on.

Sorry man, The King's Guard hovers in a weird area between noble and king and the people of this medieval-influenced world treated them as such.
 

Nobody_Important

“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
Jaime Lannister literally murdered the king he was swore to protect, and all that happened was he was given an unflattering title as "King Slayer" but held his station and influence.

Ser Barristan Selmy was so well respected that he became legend and was almost always deferred to in times of war, even over whoever was Hand of the King or even chosen "generals" by numerous kings.

I could go on.

Sorry man, The King's Guard hovers in a weird area between noble and king and the people of this medieval-influenced world treated them as such.
Ser Jamie is of a major noble house and he killed the Mad King who the whole realm hated. He was also the beloved (lol) brother of the new queen and son of the former Hand of the King that the whole realm respected and feared. Ser Criston who is of no significant house meanwhile murdered a well known knight and member of a noble house in cold blood in front of the whole court and the king himself. The two situations are completely different.


Sorry Burger. You are just wrong on this one.
 
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BadBurger

Many “Whelps”! Handle It!
Ser Jamie is of a major noble house and he killed the Mad King who the whole realm hated. He was also the beloved (lol) brother of the new queen and son of the former Hand of the King that the whole realm respected and feared. Ser Criston who is of no significant house meanwhile murdered a well known knight and member of a noble house in cold blood in front of the whole court and the king himself. The two situations are completely different.

Sorry Burger. You are just wrong on this one.

Well, you pretty much just supported my point. The members of the King's Guard are all drawn from the noble class. They've often been shown as political appointments. Like Jaime. It's why they're given such leeway in the first place. It's not like they're random people from the smallfolk: these are the best warriors of what the noble houses have to offer. Human products of decades of decadence. The kinds of rich kids who compete in the tournament from the first episode. And everyone (in this world) knows that. And they give them reverence for it.

That guy Cole beat the life out of, on the other hand? No one cares. Again, what does he matter to anyone in attendance aside from his poor prince paramore. The only person who even bothered to grieve over him. A puddle of blood for a rat.

Cole might feel like a hopped up hedge knight to some, but he's the lineage of the Dondarrions. Those who bestow the title of the Sword of the Morning no less.

Again, Cole ain't just some bitch. He's the warrior the king trusted to watch over his heir. Let that sink in. Of course he is elevated above the average person.

And as a side note I'm not trying to be right or wrong. I honestly don't care if I am wrong. This is just some stupid fantasy show we're enjoying together.
 
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cormack12

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Loved it. The score to that dance scene was magnificent.

With the time gaps aren't we meant to get the impression that rhaenerya and Criston are in a long term affair?

Having said that, it did feel out of character he'd just go apeshit in the moment and kill someone he spoke to for five seconds, who basically empathised with his position. I imagine Criston will now be alicent's king consort?

I really like the guy playing Corlys - dude nails every scene. I know the impact might not be as strong as early thrones, but the quality is so much higher imo
 

Nobody_Important

“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
That guy Cole beat the life out of, on the other hand? No one cares. Again, what does he matter to anyone in attendance aside from his poor prince paramore.
You are once again wrong. Just because Ser Laenor was the only one to be shown to mourn in that moment does not mean he is the only one to care. Ser Joffery was of House Lonmouth which is a noble house under the control of the Baratheons. His death is not some meaningless nothing. He would be of high standing within the house due to his age as well as his reputation and therefore be of importance within the realm despite not being one of the 7 major houses. The Baratheon's would care about his murder just as much as the Starks would if a Bolton had shown up and been murdered. Ser Criston is meanwhile has none of that nobility or respect. Regardless of his station as a Kingsguard he would not just be granted immunity from his actions based on that appointment. That's not how it works.


It is a plot hole. That is a fact unless they address it somehow in the next episode.
 
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You are once again wrong. Just because Ser Laenor was the only one to be shown to mourn in that moment does not mean he is the only one to care. Ser Joffery was of House Lonmouth which is a noble house under the control of the Baratheons. His death is not some meaningless nothing. He would be of high standing within the house due to his age as well as his reputation and therefore be of importance within the realm despite not being one of the 7 major houses. The Baratheon's would care about his murder just as much as the Starks would if a Bolton had shown up and been murdered. Ser Criston is meanwhile has none of that nobility or respect. Regardless of his station as a Kingsguard he would not just be granted immunity from his actions based on that appointment. That's not how it works.


It is a plot hole. That is a fact unless they address it somehow in the next episode.
Lack of explanation isn’t the same thing as a plot hole. For all you know there were all sorts of negotiations and explanations and consideration given to the houses that might be outraged over it. Maybe they show it next week or maybe they don’t but it’s not a plot hole that a kings guard might be given wide latitude to put down someone if the crown makes up a story about him protecting the royal family.

Anyway, great episode and next week looks to be banger too. I still haven’t brought myself to try RoP…
 
Come on... that's where we're getting our 10 year time jump? We just witnessed the most chaotic event in the series so far and the writers decided to skip the fallout?
 

BadBurger

Many “Whelps”! Handle It!
You are once again wrong. Just because Ser Laenor was the only one to be shown to mourn in that moment does not mean he is the only one to care. Ser Joffery was of House Lonmouth which is a noble house under the control of the Baratheons. His death is not some meaningless nothing. He would be of high standing within the house due to his age as well as his reputation and therefore be of importance within the realm despite not being one of the 7 major houses. The Baratheon's would care about his murder just as much as the Starks would if a Bolton had shown up and been murdered. Ser Criston is meanwhile has none of that nobility or respect. Regardless of his station as a Kingsguard he would not just be granted immunity from his actions based on that appointment. That's not how it works.


It is a plot hole. That is a fact unless they address it somehow in the next episode.

Ok, well, you go ahead pretending a bunch of stuff that never happened happened, while dreaming of other unsupported stuff that will never happen. I guess at the end of the day it's all fantasy and we're welcome to make up whatever we want right?

If the Baratheons inexplicably go to war over some throw away character Criston Cole beat to death then I'll come back and admit I was wrong.
 
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Also consider they already showed a little kid gutting another candidate for the kings guard for calling him a cunt in an earlier episode, and the type of violence that was shown at the tourney between houses without war breaking out. And if the queen fell for Criston it’s not like she’s going to be willing to give him up over her rival’s consort losing his paramour.

Sorry NI I just don’t see this being a plot hole at all
 

Nobody_Important

“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
Ok, well, you go ahead pretending a bunch of stuff that never happened happened, while dreaming of other unsupported stuff that will never happen. I guess at the end of the day it's all fantasy and we're welcome to make up whatever we want right?

If the Baratheons inexplicably go to war over some throw away character Criston Cole beat to death then I'll come back and admit I was wrong.
You are just being silly now.

Agree to disagree.
 

BadBurger

Many “Whelps”! Handle It!
You are just being silly now.

Argue points and not people.

On the show, I get the feeling after a second watch Alicent was actually summoning Cole for reasons beyond political intrigue? I thought maybe she was being queenly but on a second watch maybe she wanted to be Dornished?
 

jason10mm

Gold Member
I'm assuming that Cole just snapped. The Queen can smooth things over with money as Joffrey clearly wasn't gonna produce an heir for his house. He was probably a third or fourth son since he spent his days tooling around with Laenor.

It was clunky though, the Rhaenyra/Cole relationship didn't get the time it needed for his heel turn to really hit home. I'm not really sure why Joffrey thought telling Cole he suspected was even a good idea, other than he wanted a partner in crime for the little liaisons to go unnoticed. Bad choice.

I'm guessing they could just say Joffrey insulted Rhaenyra or Cole in some fashion and got iced. We saw Kid Bracken disembowel a guy who taunted him at the suitor meeting so it's not like a random fight breaking out is unheard of.
 
- Him doing so without any explanation. There is no explanation for how the fight started. Not a BIT. It just happens out of nowhere in the middle of the dancefloor because somehow a Kingsguard Knight is full ass silver armor and white cloak just got in there unnoticed and started murdering him. Not only THAT, but he just somehow is allowed to leave the crowded room after murdering a noble in cold blood with all his armor and weapons to go off himself. Only to be saved at the last minute by the Queen who just SOMEHOW knew where he was and what he was going to do????

- Him losing his fucking mind and all his character development just because he slept with Rhaenyra for a SINGLE time. This is an experienced man of war who lost his mind because his crush didn't want to abandon her life and her crown for him after sleeping with him a single time while she was drunk.
Yeah, I thought maybe it was some kind of "redemption" play by Criston? He eliminated the affairs of both parties - Joffery made a comment along the lines of "protecting them" or whatever which I felt was weirdly emphasized. He was prepared to die when the Queen found out originally.

The killing felt too emotional though if that was the case.....but Criston seemed rather calm in the godswood, which made it seem like he was ok with how things played out. I don't know why the Queen stopped him, nor how he is going to live through this though. They made a point of zooming in on the knife when Joffery had it out so maybe they're going to say it was an assassination attempt. Everything up until that point was just a mass of confusion until Criston got him to the ground.

I haven't read the books though, so I just assumed this was how it went down. Otherwise, this was a quality episode.
 

Bragr

Banned
Solid episode yet again. They have turned a so-so book into a damn solid TV show.

A few small things I didn't like:

- The opening with Daemon, his wife berating him, I thought the scene came off as an unnatural way of explaining what happened during the time gap. Forced.
- As people mentioned, it was weird how guards didn't break up the fight at the end, especially with the heir Queen in the middle of it and the king right next to it. Logically, 20 armed guards would bullrush that brawl in 2 seconds.
- Daemon walking into the room as the "rebel brother" that everybody looks at in fear is getting a bit silly, they have done it too many times now.
- And, like with almost every episode, there feels to be so much skipped past with these time jumps, I always sit a bit annoyed that stuff is rushed past in a hurry.
 

Hugare

Member
Can someone explain to me why the fight started? I think I may have missed it

There's such a huge time gap between Joffrey talking to Cole about his secret to when the fight started. That cant be the reason, right?

And seems like the Alicent realised that Rhaenyra lied to her just from Cole confessing that he had sex with her. How?

Loved the episode, but I felt lost sometimes
 

BadBurger

Many “Whelps”! Handle It!
Can someone explain to me why the fight started? I think I may have missed it

There's such a huge time gap between Joffrey talking to Cole about his secret to when the fight started. That cant be the reason, right?

And seems like the Alicent realised that Rhaenyra lied to her just from Cole confessing that he had sex with her. How?

Loved the episode, but I felt lost sometimes

The guy threatened Cole's honor, basically, while also admitting that he knew how to throw the realm afire. He even barged right through Cole's sheathed sword - which was a sign of terrible disrespect.

In a previous scene Cole admitted that he considered his worth nothing beyond his oath and figure as a King's Guard. Combine that with his own personal stakes in the matter and I think it's obvious why he beat the guy to death.
 

sol_bad

Member
I thought the episode was great in terms of acting, music and pacing, not a boring moment. The celebration was all quite tense throughout because you know something will happen but you don't know what.

And what did happen was quite disappointing. I agree that it makes zero sense for Criston to kill the boyfriend. The boyfriend basically wants them to watch eachothers backs, and he kills him because of that? Cmon.
There really needed to be more time between Criston and Raenyra to care about their relationship. A single sex scene doesn't cut it.
 

mortal

Banned
Great episode, so much tension.
I really enjoy the episodes that feature more drama and political machinations.

Also, I don't know what's in their drinking water, but puberty seems to have a very different effect in house Velaryon lol.

Was not expecting Criston to snap right then and there during the banquet for all to witness.
I guess he's an emotional man.
 

jason10mm

Gold Member
Argue points and not people.

On the show, I get the feeling after a second watch Alicent was actually summoning Cole for reasons beyond political intrigue? I thought maybe she was being queenly but on a second watch maybe she wanted to be Dornished?
If you are referring to when she summoned him to her room, I think she thought he would talk about Rhaenyra and daemon, his confession totally caught her off guard I think.

Alicent spent political capitol on Rhaenyra being innocent, it got her dad fired. Then she finds out rheanyra slept with her guard, and PROBABLY did sleep with Daemon for all Alicent knows. Total betrayal and now she knows she can not trust Rhaenyra to NOT kill her kids should she take the throne.

I like these little glimpses of Harwin Strong as well, and his "Break bones" moniker is well earned :p
 

EviLore

Expansive Ellipses
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Re: the killing, there is no rule of law. Criston is directly in service to the crown and is the future queen’s personal protector. Beyond that, he is a dangerous combatant who defeated Daemon in tournament. No one’s arresting him over killing some nobody knight unless the king or queen directly orders it. And none of those nobles in banquet attire would dare intervene unless they had a death wish.

It is also previously established that Viserys rules weakly and tolerates people killing each other at his parties without consequences.

It’s all internally consistent.

As to Criston’s motivations, beyond being on edge from lovesickness and feeling dishonorable, the paramour tried to blackmail him—and more importantly Rhaenyra, with the notion of mutually assured destruction by holding each other’s secrets. Criston doesn’t play games.
 

E-Cat

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- Him losing his fucking mind and all his character development just because he slept with Rhaenyra for a SINGLE time. This is an experienced man of war who lost his mind because his crush didn't want to abandon her life and her crown for him after sleeping with him a single time while she was drunk.
He's literally a pussywhipped "white knight". Clearly not experienced in sex or relationships. And furthermore someone with a super rigid set of morals, like a samurai who has been brought to shame. People who have been in love for the first time and it not working out, or getting rejected, etc. will understand how it can mess with your head. I know I've done some embarrassing shit in my naive youth (not killing anyone, mind you).
 
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I have a new prediction for how things go down:


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Apparently the video got deleted, it was a girl knocking another girl off a balance beam looking thing into a foam pit then walking over to a baby crawling on it and knocking the little whelp in too
 
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The action scene at the end of the episode was very bad.
We aren't talking about an instant kill but a several seconds even minute kill in which even the future queen life
could been threatened in all the chaos.
What all the guards were doing? Sniffing coke or something?
Why the damn nobody knight wasn't arrested on the spot? I mean killing a guest of the king is small matter?
Also wasn't Daemon exiled from the capital?

Just because the show has at least more or less good believable dialogs (unlike Rings of Power) this don't excused crappy stuff
 

V1LÆM

Gold Member
matt smith killed it again.

will be disappointed to see rhaenyra actress go but not so much alicent's. excited for olivia cooke but i'm not sold on emma d'arcy. i haven't read the books but i think alicent is meant to be a bit older than rhaenyra. they should've just made milly and olivia the two actresses throughout the entire show.

nothing against the actor who plays the king but i hate the character. he is annoying and i hope he is dead now.
 
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DKehoe

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matt smith killed it again.

will be disappointed to see rhaenyra actress go but not so much alicent's. excited for olivia cooke but i'm not sold on emma d'arcy. i haven't read the books but i think alicent is meant to be a bit older than rhaenyra. they should've just made milly and olivia the two actresses throughout the entire show.

nothing against the actor who plays the king but i hate the character. he is annoying and i hope he is dead now.
I think they made them a similar age to play up the aspect of friends becoming rivals.
 

Nobody_Important

“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
matt smith killed it again.

will be disappointed to see rhaenyra actress go but not so much alicent's. excited for olivia cooke but i'm not sold on emma d'arcy. i haven't read the books but i think alicent is meant to be a bit older than rhaenyra. they should've just made milly and olivia the two actresses throughout the entire show.

nothing against the actor who plays the king but i hate the character. he is annoying and i hope he is dead now.
She is much older than her in the books, but I think the show is making them of a similar age to drum up extra drama and feels.
 

Lady Jane

Banned
It's obvious that the cutting room is going ham on this show. There are many scenes where the show thinks it has provided context and it hasn't. I'm willing to bet an exchange between Cole and lover boy was cut that sparked the fight. Signs of cuts are littered in every episode.

I'm fine with Cole's actions. A guy having irrational behavior because he fell in love with a cute girl? Yeah it seems to be on point. The fight was silly since the guards should have broken it up within seconds since the princess was too close. It was an odd scene for sure.

I'm going to miss Milly Alcock's take of Rhaneyra. She has a nice spunk about her. And I still think the show is moving too quickly.
 

jason10mm

Gold Member
I'm going to miss Milly Alcock's take of Rhaneyra. She has a nice spunk about her. And I still think the show is moving too quickly.
Yeah, I"m gonna miss her as well.

On the podcast she and the young Alicent actress said they were specifically kept from colluding with the older actresses, so we are likely to see very different takes on the character. Might work out, or could be VERY jarring. Young Rhaenyra was played very subdued I think, curious how the older one will be.
 

DeepEnigma

Gold Member
Loved it. The score to that dance scene was magnificent.

With the time gaps aren't we meant to get the impression that rhaenerya and Criston are in a long term affair?

Having said that, it did feel out of character he'd just go apeshit in the moment and kill someone he spoke to for five seconds, who basically empathised with his position. I imagine Criston will now be alicent's king consort?

I really like the guy playing Corlys - dude nails every scene. I know the impact might not be as strong as early thrones, but the quality is so much higher imo
The guy did threaten his life in a way, and we all know how that dragon pussy seemingly is fire! Drogo ripped a throat out with his fingertips over it. 🤭
 

DeepEnigma

Gold Member
Huh? they are changing the actors already?
Just mainly Rhaneyra and Alicent.

Yeah, I"m gonna miss her as well.

On the podcast she and the young Alicent actress said they were specifically kept from colluding with the older actresses, so we are likely to see very different takes on the character. Might work out, or could be VERY jarring. Young Rhaenyra was played very subdued I think, curious how the older one will be.
Just going by some of the snippets we seen already, older Rhaneyra seems very hardened and "take no shit" attitude.
 

Elysion

Banned
Holy crap, that ending was terrible; it ruined the whole episode. So Cole just brutally murders a noble and is free to wander the castle afterward? Not to mention that he ruined the fucking royal wedding!? And next episode is after the big timeskip? So they’re not even gonna explain how Cole got away with this, or why he went apeshit in public in the first place?

Man, the show was decent until now, but the ending of this episode was something I would’ve expected from the last few seasons of GoT.

And I‘m not gonna lie, I’m a bit disappointed that young Rhaenyra didn’t even get a single proper nude scene. That sex scene with Cole last episode was pretty lame (and tame), something you’d expect from a CW show, not HBO. I mean, did we even see a single nipple? C’mon. And next episode the actress will be gone, so if there’s ever gonna be a nude scene with Rhaenyra, it’s with the older version. :(
 
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Bragr

Banned
And I‘m not gonna lie, I’m a bit disappointed that young Rhaenyra didn’t even get a single proper nude scene. That sex scene with Cole last episode was pretty lame (and tame), something you’d expect from a CW show, not HBO. I mean, did we even see a single nipple? C’mon. And next episode the actress will be gone, so if there’s ever gonna be a nude scene with Rhaenyra, it’s with the older version. :(
Jesus fucking christ, have you ever heard of internal dialogue? it's supposed to be internal.
 

jason10mm

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And I‘m not gonna lie, I’m a bit disappointed that young Rhaenyra didn’t even get a single proper nude scene. That sex scene with Cole last episode was pretty lame (and tame), something you’d expect from a CW show, not HBO. I mean, did we even see a single nipple? C’mon. And next episode the actress will be gone, so if there’s ever gonna be a nude scene with Rhaenyra, it’s with the older version. :(
Blame the new prudes in Hollywood. You'd think they would at least give her cover-up pasties and then CGI in some nipples for you though. Probably cost less than the "intimacy coordinator". How do I get that gig?

But the actress is Australian I think, they don't tend to be shy.
 
I don't understand why they went through with the wedding despite the brutal murder. The blood stain is still there ffs. Didn't Viserys say the wedding will happen after 7 days of tournament and feasting???
 
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