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HBO's House Of The Dragon (no book spoilers)

Kraz

Banned
Poetic interpretation:

Having the potential to rule of the Seven Kingdoms is like being placed in a fire.

Daemon's presence was like a hatched adolescent dragon.

Rhaenyra was like a dragon still in the egg with her hatching to come from finally being set in that fire by her father in the episode.
 

OmegaSupreme

advanced basic bitch
How was it gaf? GOT was a little extra grimdark for me to really get past the third season. I'm assuming this is more of the same?
 

DragoonKain

Neighbours from Hell
I think it’s pretty clear early on this is going for a darker, grittier approach to the storytelling and lore. There wasn’t even a hint of humor in this episode. I don’t expect any humor at all in this series. I think it’s going to try to be be ultra serious.
 

Elysion

Banned
The show‘s biggest issue will probably be that there are very few characters that the audience can root for. There‘s no Ned or Robb Stark here, no characters or factions that are truly noble or heroic. Instead, almost everyone is a scumbag. Some of Rhaenyra’s and Alicent‘s future children might be sympathetic characters, and some of the members of other noble Houses, but unfortunately they‘ll only be introduced much later.

Imagine if in Game of Thrones the Starks were only background characters, and the main conflict was instead between the Lannisters and the Boltons. That‘s basically what HotD is gonna be (at least if it‘s true to the source material). Some people have called GoT ‚grimdark‘, which I disagree with, but for HotD the term might turn out to be much more accurate.
 

Javthusiast

Banned
Great premiere.

Also:
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Hari Seldon

Member
How was it gaf? GOT was a little extra grimdark for me to really get past the third season. I'm assuming this is more of the same?
I mean it is modern HBO. It is overly grimdark and utterly devoid of humor at all. When you have weak writing you get stupid shock value shit instead of good story.
 

jason10mm

Gold Member
It was fine, just fine. Okish pilot.
I liked the politics which was always the strong suit of GoT.
Unfortunately the mediocre casting, the WTF tournament - brawl!, those crap wigs (very distracting especially on the main cast) didn't help.
Neither did the references near the end of the episode about GoT events that any fan know end up meaningless!
Very true. Visery's is playing up the Targaryen "vision" of an apocalypse from the North as some sort of state secret, I was waiting for the little kid to say "You mean that GIANT ICE WALL we have been building up north for a thousand years actually has a purpose? Ok boomer!"
 

sol_bad

Member
Pretty darn good first episode. Matt Smith was pretty great at playing a cunt. I felt really bad for the father and having to make that decision re his wife, horrible scene (in a good way).
I do hope we get accustomed to more characters outside of the royalty moving forward.

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And god damn I felt icky when Otto told his daughter to go and "comfort" the king!
 
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Mattdaddy

Gold Member
I liked it, but yeah that tournament scene came out of nowhere like wtf lol.

One second they're jousting like its a regular tournament... then its instantly like an Event Horizon bloodbath melee montage, no one in the crowd even comments on it... then back to jousting. Lmao wtf.
 
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Artoris

Gold Member
I think this is the only role that has worked for Matt Smith, he has been bad at everything else

I thought the series would be bad, but I liked the first episode
 
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I liked it, but yeah that tournament scene came out of nowhere like wtf lol.

One second they're jousting like its a regular tournament... then its instantly like an Event Horizon bloodbath melee montage, no one in the crowd even comments on it... then back to jousting. Lmao wtf.
It shows the king is weak and the houses are thirsty for fighting. Contrast with the tournament from early GoT.
 

Mattdaddy

Gold Member
It shows the king is weak and the houses are thirsty for fighting. Contrast with the tournament from early GoT.
Yeah guess that makes sense, it was just like whoa! Wtf is going on lol.

The king did come off like a dufus the whole time. I couldn't tell if I just didn't like the casting or if that was by design. I don't know much about these characters, I haven't read the book.
 

ManaByte

Member
The king did come off like a dufus the whole time. I couldn't tell if I just didn't like the casting or if that was by design. I don't know much about these characters, I haven't read the book.

The book is basically written like a history book and the characters aren't really described in the detail you'd expect for a TV series adaptation. It's the same type of "fan fiction" that people are blasting Rings of Power as being.
 

DeepEnigma

Gold Member
The book is basically written like a history book and the characters aren't really described in the detail you'd expect for a TV series adaptation. It's the same type of "fan fiction" that people are blasting Rings of Power as being.
Except, the creator is still alive for them to go to for references.
 
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jason10mm

Gold Member
The book is basically written like a history book and the characters aren't really described in the detail you'd expect for a TV series adaptation. It's the same type of "fan fiction" that people are blasting Rings of Power as being.
I think there is SUBSTANTIALLY more material for HotD than for RoP, particularly with snippets of dialogue they can lift to get that Grrm feel. Daemons comment bout Vale men fucking the sheep because they are prettier is an example. We'll see how much padding they do for young Rhaenrys. They credit the kids for 10 eps so either there are flashbacks or they start hopping around in time

RoP is working from much less detailed text I believe. If RoP LOOKS as good as HotD I'll be happy. Of course I'm hoping that WETA $$$ will be better spent but HotD comes pretty close to that "lived in" feel LOTR and GoT had.
 

Vaelka

Member
Yeah guess that makes sense, it was just like whoa! Wtf is going on lol.

The king did come off like a dufus the whole time. I couldn't tell if I just didn't like the casting or if that was by design. I don't know much about these characters, I haven't read the book.
I've heard some others say this and I dunno, I thought the king came across fine?
He came across like a good man and probably a great king that was dealing with some real shit and was reacting like a real person.
I kinda felt it was quite refreshing that he wasn't super stoic and perfect or cartoonishly evil.

I saw a lot of people blame him for his decision in regards to his wife too but I mean I thought they did a great job at depicting how chaotic life can be.
People in those situations don't really think straight or know how to handle things, I think it'd be hard to even get a word out in a situation like that.

Both him and the other male characters were really portrayed way better than I expected, which again is another issue with the marketing as I've mentioned before.
The marketing made me expect some obnoxious cartoonish bullshit where the men were all evil or stupid.
I thought they were handled in a pretty nuanced way in this episode at least ( dunno how it will be later ), and they were very believable.

Which is a breath of fresh air after the last seasons of GoT.
 

jason10mm

Gold Member
Viserys didn't have a choice . The queen was already dead (her death was all but inevitable at this point) so any delay just cost the baby's life as well. Her reluctance to have the operation is just fear of pain, she knew she was dead already as well.

The real choice would have been to kill the baby in utero and extract it in pieces to try to remove the placenta and save the queen versus the c-section to try for the baby. I wish that was how they framed it, his desire for an heir trumped his cousin....err wifes life.
 
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Deleted member 1159

Unconfirmed Member
I was pleasantly surprised by episode 1. Hopefully this show keeps it up and doesn’t crash and burn
 

Mattdaddy

Gold Member
I've heard some others say this and I dunno, I thought the king came across fine?
He came across like a good man and probably a great king that was dealing with some real shit and was reacting like a real person.
I kinda felt it was quite refreshing that he wasn't super stoic and perfect or cartoonishly evil.

I saw a lot of people blame him for his decision in regards to his wife too but I mean I thought they did a great job at depicting how chaotic life can be.
People in those situations don't really think straight or know how to handle things, I think it'd be hard to even get a word out in a situation like that.

Both him and the other male characters were really portrayed way better than I expected, which again is another issue with the marketing as I've mentioned before.
The marketing made me expect some obnoxious cartoonish bullshit where the men were all evil or stupid.
I thought they were handled in a pretty nuanced way in this episode at least ( dunno how it will be later ), and they were very believable.

Which is a breath of fresh air after the last seasons of GoT.

Yeah that might of been it, I mean I guess he didn't come across like a clown or idiot or anything. But just like... some dude lol. Even his face just looked like some everyday average guy. I guess I was expecting some larger than life character, but he was just some average dude... like if you took the wig off he could have played the barkeep or something haha.

He did seem chill for someone wielding that power though, like when the Knight dedicated his tournament run to the Queen that Was or whatever and the King didn't even get worked up. Maybe just not used to seeing chill kings in GoT.
 

jason10mm

Gold Member
Yeah that might of been it, I mean I guess he didn't come across like a clown or idiot or anything. But just like... some dude lol. Even his face just looked like some everyday average guy. I guess I was expecting some larger than life character, but he was just some average dude... like if you took the wig off he could have played the barkeep or something haha.

He did seem chill for someone wielding that power though, like when the Knight dedicated his tournament run to the Queen that Was or whatever and the King didn't even get worked up. Maybe just not used to seeing chill kings in GoT.
An election decided in Viserys favor over Rhaenya/her son (who probably wasnt born yet in the show), so surely we are supposed to follow an election and not claim it was stolen...right? Viserys is pretty sure his line is safe at that point.
 

HoodWinked

Member
Just finished ep1, None of the characters really stand out, feels like a story without a main character. But weirdly everyone seems to be well cast in their roles. It's like we're watching the supporting cast but that could also be that it has only been one episode so we haven't had a chance to really connect with the characters.

Despite that the show was enjoyable and a good start, the production is great.
 

Tieno

Member
Pretty good ep. Team Daemon all the way. Love how he called his brother a weak king. Yet has a soft spot for the daughter.
Yeah, his introduction scene was also great: with treason (sitting on the throne) and "seducing" his niece with some nice Valerian jewelry.

I rewatched the ep yesterday and I really love being back in Westeros. All of the history and world building of Westeros is great. I hope we get some nice sea battles too, with the presence of Corlys Velaryon and how he mentioned this Crabfeeder character.
 
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BadBurger

Many “Whelps”! Handle It!
Just finished ep1, None of the characters really stand out, feels like a story without a main character. But weirdly everyone seems to be well cast in their roles. It's like we're watching the supporting cast but that could also be that it has only been one episode so we haven't had a chance to really connect with the characters.

Despite that the show was enjoyable and a good start, the production is great.

Smith's Daemon is good at least, IMO. It's all the more great because no matter unlikeable he is, he will end up being

a protagonist of a sort at times

Also that "heir for a day line" was cold as hell.

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Star-Lord

Member
Just watched the first episode. I enjoyed it much more than I thought I would, but I'm still remaining cautious. We all know how bad GoT ended up being.

Daemon is my favourite character so far.
 

Just_one

Member
Really loved the first episode and the blade that kills the night king showing up but a question came to my mind.

Did people in westoros had a major battle with the undead before game of thrones? I could swear i heard of a great battle with thembefore to game of thrones timeline.
 
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Kimahri

Banned
The book is basically written like a history book and the characters aren't really described in the detail you'd expect for a TV series adaptation. It's the same type of "fan fiction" that people are blasting Rings of Power as being.
Except the dude who wrote HotD is still alive and is producing the show. Come on man, that's weak.

If J.R.R. Tolkien was personally involved with the creation of Rings of Power you can be damn sure the fans would be playing a very different tune.
 

IDKFA

I am Become Bilbo Baggins
Haven't seen the episode yet, just some screens. But who are these black characters though? Are they supposed to be Targaryens?

Race swapped characters. The show runners didn't want to make it an all white show, so did a race swap number.

Corlys Velaryon is white in the lore, but they had to swap him to black in the show.

funny thing is, because this is loosely based on a fake history book, they could have easily incorporated other races from other parts of the world without having to race swap established characters.
 

V1LÆM

Gold Member
I think this is the only role that has worked for Matt Smith, he has been bad at everything else

I thought the series would be bad, but I liked the first episode
I hope you're not including Doctor Who in that. Of course, Doctor Who was his big break. His earlier TV stuff wasn't great but I did quite enjoy him in the Sally Lockhart show. He was great in The Crown and now House of Dragon is his next show.

As for movies, I think Morbius hit his reputation quite a bit. I loved him in Last Night in Soho and Lost River.

There are a lot of misses for him but I think you're going a bit far with saying he's been bad at everything else. If you think that then I don't see what he's doing that impresses you in HoD. I think his character is interesting and he plays it well. He's at his best when he plays a character that is angry, has no fear, and looking for revenge. During HoD I got some flashbacks to his time as The Doctor. The darker episodes he done were brilliant. I think he'll be one of the best casting choices for the show without a doubt.

Very meh in general. It barely brings anything to the table.
We're one episode in lol. I'm interested to see where it goes. I want to see what Otto is up to he seems like a sleezy shady character, how Daemon responds to being removed from succession, and how the rest of Westeros reacts to Rhaenyra being heir/Queen because some of them didn't look quite happy about it. This episode was just about introductioning characters and the setting. I'd say give it time but it sounds like you've made your mind up already.
 
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Artoris

Gold Member
I hope you're not including Doctor Who in that. Of course, Doctor Who was his big break. His earlier TV stuff wasn't great but I did quite enjoy him in the Sally Lockhart show. He was great in The Crown and now House of Dragon is his next show.

As for movies, I think Morbius hit his reputation quite a bit. I loved him in Last Night in Soho and Lost River.

There are a lot of misses for him but I think you're going a bit far with saying he's been bad at everything else. If you think that then I don't see what he's doing that impresses you in HoD. I think his character is interesting and he plays it well. He's at his best when he plays a character that is angry, has no fear, and looking for revenge. During HoD I got some flashbacks to his time as The Doctor. The darker episodes he done were brilliant. I think he'll be one of the best casting choices for the show without a doubt.
I stopped watching Doctor Who when he started, lol
 

V1LÆM

Gold Member
I stopped watching Doctor Who when he started, lol
So how do you know he's bad?

I started watching when he became the doctor. My first episode was when Tennant regenerates into him. He's my first doctor. I know some people don't like him but at least they've watched him. I remember when he was announced to be the next doctor and I wasn't sure about it. While I had never watched Doctor Who before I knew how popular Tennant was. As soon as 11 appeared I was hooked. I thought he was brilliant. You should really give Series 5 and onwards a try. Matt Smith and Peter Capaldi are amazing as The Doctor. There's a lot of great episodes over their run.
 

Artoris

Gold Member
So how do you know he's bad?

I started watching when he became the doctor. My first episode was when Tennant regenerates into him. He's my first doctor. I know some people don't like him but at least they've watched him. I remember when he was announced to be the next doctor and I wasn't sure about it. While I had never watched Doctor Who before I knew how popular Tennant was. As soon as 11 appeared I was hooked. I thought he was brilliant. You should really give Series 5 and onwards a try. Matt Smith and Peter Capaldi are amazing as The Doctor. There's a lot of great episodes over their run.
"So how do you know he's bad" I watched the first 5 or so

I have watched Peter Capaldi, and he was quite good. Christopher Eccleston was my favourite of the new ones, but I liked the old ones more
 
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Deleted member 1159

Unconfirmed Member
Very meh in general. It barely brings anything to the table.
It’s a pilot which introduces three contenders for the throne each with their own adult dragons, and had great drama including a legit gut wrenching scene involving a decision to perform a medieval c-section…I dunno, I thought I was done with Westeros after how GoT ended but this managed to hook me pretty well.
 

BadBurger

Many “Whelps”! Handle It!
That's too bad. Though i'm interested in the lore, i don't want to support such practices. Might pick up an audiobook or something then.

I would caution you this: unless you're already a fan of the lore of the show / books, Fire & Blood is not going to be a rewarding read IMO. It's a history book, basically like supplemental source materials for role playing games.

I'd instead suggest the big hardback version of The World of Ice and Fire: The Untold History of Westeros. I have it. It's deep, written from the perspective of a maester, and has some killer artwork.

As for the "race swapping" in the show, they kind of worked around it by apparently just making all of house Velaryon black. So instead of selecting random characters to be <X> race, they turned an entire house a different race. It feels like a more elegant approach than how other shows have handled diversity, and they're not throwing it in the viewers' faces or anything. It's just this one noble is black now, his children are clearly mixed race, and that's it. They don't make a big deal out of it.
 
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Hari Seldon

Member
Mcu and jokey Star Wars is that way, now let us have fun with some quality content.

Oh and btw, biggest premiere ever boys and girls. IP very much alive.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/t...8ecfc73a6b7b652abdcdb75a184f8cf1f8015afde10e9
The only reason I'm sticking with this show despite being pretty meh about it is that it is NOT capeshit and starwars lmao. But this show is overly grimdark and gratuitous for no reason. I fast forwarded through that entire birthing scene and lost absolutely nothing. They better hook me with some interesting characters soon or I will bail. There is really nothing that I like about this show other than it is fantasy and there isn't that much fantasy.
 

jason10mm

Gold Member
You know, it occurs to me that the FANTASTIC intro to GoT, sweeping over a pop-up model of Westeros, could have been adapted for this show. GoT was about GEOGRAPHY, while HotD is about DYNASTY. So instead of little cities telling us which places we will visit in an ep, we could have chess-piece like representations of the Targaryen family tree that grows (and shrinks....oh yes, it will shrink) each ep to keep views up to daste on who is related to who, who is married to who, and who has died. BIG missed opportunity IMHO

So for example, next ep would show
Queen Aemma and little Baelor
blacked out or whatever, as they were the first to go.
 

BadBurger

Many “Whelps”! Handle It!
The only reason I'm sticking with this show despite being pretty meh about it is that it is NOT capeshit and starwars lmao. But this show is overly grimdark and gratuitous for no reason. I fast forwarded through that entire birthing scene and lost absolutely nothing. They better hook me with some interesting characters soon or I will bail. There is really nothing that I like about this show other than it is fantasy and there isn't that much fantasy.

If you don't mind being spoiled:

The real, raw intrigue and conflict will begin when they inevitably time jump forward and everyone who are now friends and allies become adversaries, and vice versa. I mentioned in my first post (or so) that this show has no standout characters aside from Daemon, but that will likely change once they're able to start pushing the story forward each week. As it is now, we're barely out of the first few chapters of the book it is adapted from.
 
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