nkarafo
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You already used the laughing emoji on my post, quoting me for this seems redudant.
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PaddyOCanager
Member
Unless you already have HBO max and having nothing else to watch, don't bother. There's zero reason to jump into Episode 1 if you didn't previously have an investment in the franchise. We'll see where things stand later in the season.
ManaByte
Member
Bran the Broken: A Game of Thrones Story
Javthusiast
Banned
Rings of Power is that way sir. There you get your happy go lucky fantasy. I love the grimdark universe GRRM created.
Corpsepyre
Banned
Nah, the post definitely deserved two reactions.
Ulysses 31
Member
Isn't there a Jon Snow show in the works?
GymWolf
Member
Worst idea ever.
SkylineRKR
Member
Yet Rogue One is one of my fave SW films.
elcapitano
Member
Title change needed?
Anyway this isn't a conventional prequel we know what happens 200+ years from now but not what actually happens in this series.
Anyway this isn't a conventional prequel we know what happens 200+ years from now but not what actually happens in this series.
Artoris
Gold Member
Hot Pie story would be worst
Putonahappyface
Member
Great first episode imo. I'm definitely in for the ride.
I predict someone's dragon saddle is going to get sabotaged.
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Artoris
Gold Member
Cool Avatar you haveGreat first episode imo. I'm definitely in for the ride.I predict someone's dragon saddle is going to get sabotaged.
Laptop1991
Member
I liked it, it was better than i thought it would be, so far so good, looking forward to episode 2.
Halo is Back
Member
After the shitshow that was GOT seasons 7 & 8, I won't even think about touching this until the series is done and wait for fan reaction.
DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
Turned out it was the most watched premiere in HBO history. All the tough guy talk "fuck GOT I'm done with it after the season 8 abomination" turned out to be just that. Everyone tuned in to watch.
Ulysses 31
Member
Lots are hoping for a good redemption arc, it remains to be see if this show will have that once the season's over as the tale is a very nihilistic one in the books.
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Such an aggressive take on that news. It was HALF the viewership of the GoT series finale (right aorund 20 mill IIRC) from when HBO online was far less pervasive. So I'd HALF the GoT audience did not tune in. Lottsa tough guys out there
It's FAR too early to tell, but the bones of F&I are pretty solid, if they can make us care about all the characters that are gonna get butchered this show will make the Red Wedding seem tame EVERY SINGE EPISODE. Yes, it is THAT VIOLENT.
The question is, will we care or is it just random mooks dying and heavy handed lecturing? Time will tell.
ManaByte
Member
So I'd HALF the GoT audience did not tune in. Lottsa tough guys out there
They're too busy trying to get their MOTHER OF DRAGONS tattoos removed and figuring out a new name for their daughter Khaleesi.
March Climber
Member
This has the potential to be the Better Call Saul equivalent for GoT's Breaking bad(I'm applying this comparison to the quality of the first 6 seasons of GoT). I'm glad that the team is not speeding up the pacing of the show for modern audiences, like a lot of shows tend to do. It feels good when a scene is allowed to breathe and the viewer is allowed to soak it in along with the scenery.
Give it time. I remember watching GoT season 1 as someone who hadn't quite read the books yet and I can tell you that in the pilot for that show, the only people who actually stuck out to me were The Hound, Littlefinger, and of course Sean Bean's Lord Stark. That's 3 characters. All of the legends you speak of weren't legends at that moment in time. Some of them were even no name actors.
GoT managed to make a ton more characters memorable over the course of 6 long seasons. You're asking way too much from a first episode and will lead to a faster paced show, which is the opposite of what this show needs.
Give it time. I remember watching GoT season 1 as someone who hadn't quite read the books yet and I can tell you that in the pilot for that show, the only people who actually stuck out to me were The Hound, Littlefinger, and of course Sean Bean's Lord Stark. That's 3 characters. All of the legends you speak of weren't legends at that moment in time. Some of them were even no name actors.
GoT managed to make a ton more characters memorable over the course of 6 long seasons. You're asking way too much from a first episode and will lead to a faster paced show, which is the opposite of what this show needs.
Elysion
Banned
I would say Ned, Robert and Tyrion were the standout characters from the first episode. They each represented different archetypes in terms of looks, personality and background, and that is made very clear from the very beginning. And I don’t think Littlefinger was even in the first episode? He‘s in King‘s Landing, and they don‘t arrive there until episode 2 or 3.
EverydayBeast
ChatGPT 0.1
Those dragons look like unstoppable forces.
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Deleted member 1159
Unconfirmed Member
We definitely know the outline…this is based on a book that has been out for a while.
I’m curious to see what the opening sequence will look like. GoT’s was GOAT-tier, and they’ve reprised the theme…
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BadBurger
Many “Whelps”! Handle It!
This has the potential to be the Better Call Saul equivalent for GoT's Breaking bad(I'm applying this comparison to the quality of the first 6 seasons of GoT). I'm glad that the team is not speeding up the pacing of the show for modern audiences, like a lot of shows tend to do. It feels good when a scene is allowed to breathe and the viewer is allowed to soak it in along with the scenery.
Give it time. I remember watching GoT season 1 as someone who hadn't quite read the books yet and I can tell you that in the pilot for that show, the only people who actually stuck out to me were The Hound, Littlefinger, and of course Sean Bean's Lord Stark. That's 3 characters. All of the legends you speak of weren't legends at that moment in time. Some of them were even no name actors.
GoT managed to make a ton more characters memorable over the course of 6 long seasons. You're asking way too much from a first episode and will lead to a faster paced show, which is the opposite of what this show needs.
No man, are you sure you watched the actual real episode the rest of us watched? The first episode of GoT was unimaginably deep compared to this.
The first episode of GoT introduced the Night's Watch and the Wall and the Others. All of the Starks and even their captive Theon Greyjoy and revealed how they all interacted with one another. It gave us Dire Wolves. It showed the vast difference between the North and the South. It introduced all of the Baratheon royalty and some of its King's Guard. It gave up details on how the monarchy of this world functioned. It hinted at the past, such as Lyanna and even mentioned Rhaegar (edit: OK those two may have been in ep 2, I forget). It then zoomed across the seas to show the Targaryens and the bizarre world they resided within now, including the steppe warriors and how their culture worked. Jaime and Cersei. I could go on and on. And on. And on.
Seriously man, I get the feeling you didn't actually watch the first episode of Game of Thrones because it is INSANE how wrong you have this.
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ManaByte
Member
Ned dying is what made ASOIF what it is. GRRM's whole intention was to flip fantasy tropes on their head. In any other fantasy series, Ned Stark would've been the hero for the whole thing, but GRRM said NOPE and chopped off his head in the first book.
This is a crucial point behind the entire series that A LOT of people failed to grasp. When social media took over and people were YAS QUEEN'ing Daenerys in the middle of the show, those people had NO IDEA what they were becoming invested in. They were expecting the show to follow the traditional fantasy trope of the pretty little princess becoming queen and sitting on the throne while raising a bunch of inbred kids with her nephew boyfriend. But GRRM said "NOPE! Fuck that, I'm giving the cripple the throne!" (and yes, Bran getting the throne was from GRRM), again because that's flipping the fantasy trope table over.
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Kenpachii
Member
It's also the fall of the series, when at some point they simple would not kill main characters off anymore because they where becoming to famous. Everything just had plot armor at that point and the series became your typical show again.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Hell, they killed 16 or so characters that were still alive in the books at that time. Stannis being killed earlier than the books as well.
Elysion
Banned
To be fair, that’s true for the books too. ASoIaF‘s reputation for ‚killing off main characters‘ is vastly exaggerated. If you think about, so far the only major PoV characters in ASoIaF that have died were Ned and Catelyn. Everyone else is either still alive, wasn’t a PoV character, or if they had PoV chapters they were mostly unimportant side characters. It‘ll only be near the end of the books that we‘re gonna see more main PoV characters die.
So far GRRM only kept his ‚anyone can die‘ reputation by cheating: he keeps introducing new PoV characters of varying importance with each new book, some of whom he then kills off, to make it look as if there‘s no plot armor in his story.
If anything, the show deserved the reputation for killing off main characters more than the books ever did, because it turned people like Robb Stark or Oberyn Martell into main characters by giving them way more screentime than they had in the books, which made their deaths much more impactful.
HotD on the other hand will absolutely deserve its ‚anyone can die‘ reputation (if it follows the source material).
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IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
Spoiler for people who haven't read ASOIAF
Cat isn't dead. Well not really anyway she's going to be a major player in the next book considering how Dance ended
scoobidoo112
Member
I thought it was pretty good. Not as impressive or captivating as the start of GoT, but I still came out of it pretty positive.
My main critiques are that the CGI looks like trash, especially when streaming in 4K, and the references to 'WInTeR iS CoMInG' made me think of Season 8, and therefore, cringe.
Looking forward to the rest though, even if the foul taste of that last season still lingers...
My main critiques are that the CGI looks like trash, especially when streaming in 4K, and the references to 'WInTeR iS CoMInG' made me think of Season 8, and therefore, cringe.
Looking forward to the rest though, even if the foul taste of that last season still lingers...
Elysion
Banned
Good point, which just illustrates my point even more: Not only does GRRM kill off main characters much less often than is usually believed, but if he does kill them there‘s a good chance he later resurrects them!
Kacho
Gold Member
First episode was solid and I'm eager to see where it goes. Having a complete story from the start with Martin overseeing it should make a huge difference in terms of having a consistent quality so that's a huge plus. I needed something to get invested in after Better Call Saul ended and this should do just fine.
March Climber
Member
I looked it up and you're right, my apologies. In that case I'd say, like you, that Robert Baratheon would be a good third pick in place of Littlefinger that somewhat left an impression on me.
This however, I don't agree with. You're putting way too much importance on the very first episode which wasn't as epic as you're making it out to be. It sounds like you read the books first(which admittedly I told you I read the books after seeing the show first) so these characters may have held more merit for you. None of these people seemed that important in episode 1 until the season went on. Unfortunately we're arguing from two different perspectives at this point so there's no way I can convince you that these characters were nobodies until they weren't, the same way you can't convince me they were somebodies before they were.
This would be like me hyping up characters like Avon and D'Angelo, The Wire season 1 episode 1 characters, from the very first episode. As a first time viewer it wouldn't make any sense unless you knew what was going to happen with them.
From a business standpoint I thought it was an absolutely horrible decision to make any scenes that point to the last season of the last show. Why in the world would they would want to remind fans of that is beyond me even considering the purpose of the item that character was given.
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newtypepilot
Member
Pretty good episode. I can understand why the birthing scene was kinda controversial but I think the montage juxtaposition with the tournament works quite well, especially with the line "childbirth is a woman's battlefield".
Although they tried to paint Daemon as the "villian", it's pretty obvious it's a red herring. We don't actually see what he actually said in the brothel and he's the only person not surrounded by whores, so I do believe him when he said "everyone grieves in the own way". Plus we have Hightower trying to capitalize on the situation by ratting out Daemon, as well as getting his daughter "to comfort the king".
Although they tried to paint Daemon as the "villian", it's pretty obvious it's a red herring. We don't actually see what he actually said in the brothel and he's the only person not surrounded by whores, so I do believe him when he said "everyone grieves in the own way". Plus we have Hightower trying to capitalize on the situation by ratting out Daemon, as well as getting his daughter "to comfort the king".
Kenpachii
Member
Geoffrey or whatever he was called, that kid king was pretty big, that other guy that was basically controlling the entire lannister family was deleted also, the old chick was deleted. So no there where plenty of big chars that where deleted. Even the sparrow which was basically controlling everything was deleted.
The series was all about killing main characters something other series didn't do which made it always interesting and unique where the story would go. Sadly after a certain point they didn't care for it much anymore and gave everybody plot armor which made the whole thing a bit of a joke. I think the biggest offender was john snow not dying at the night watch, i think that was also the turning point of the series where it became worse and worse.
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Halo is Back
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AKA subverting expectations done RIGHT. There was a very clear and logical reason why Ned was killed. He was a fish out of water in King's Landing. He made dumb moves and paid the price for it.
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sol_bad
Member
I don't think it should be controversial, and it shouldn't need a trigger warning either. The show itself sets up the scene pretty far in advance and you know exactly what is going to happen. Plenty of time for people to look away if they don't want to see it. The people saying it was too gruesome are probably the very people that looked away and didn't see the scene properly. I felt that the caesarian scene was pretty restrained compared to the tournament violence to be honest.
ManaByte
Member
Plot twist, they didn't even watch the show and are just outraged on Twitter because that's all they know how to do.
BadBurger
Many “Whelps”! Handle It!
Even more specifically, GRRM was inspired by the War of the Roses between the Lancasters and the Yorks (familiar sounding names right?) and how during that era a figure could be a huge, almost demigod like figure one day and then just get fucking killed like a punk the next.
BadBurger
Many “Whelps”! Handle It!
Yea, I can see that, you're probably onto something there. I should go back and watch the first episode.
BadBurger
Many “Whelps”! Handle It!
GymWolf
Member
Let me tell you something about giant crossbows...
Elysion
Banned
That‘s what I was saying. The show actually deserved the ‚everyone can die‘ reputation much more than the books (at least before the last two seasons), because all those characters you mentioned were given much more screentime than they had in the books. Olenna for example (the old Tyrell woman) only has a few scenes in the books, while the show made her a major character, so her death actually felt important.