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Hearthstone |OT| Why tap cards when you can roll need [Naxx final wing out now]
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Even if this deck is a Leeroy deck, the Shadowsteps don't really factor in with his plan, simply because 2x Shadowstep + Leeroy is 18 damage, not 20. To get to 20 you need 2x Shadowstep + Leeroy + Cold Blood or Leeroy + Cold Blood + Faceless. If you're going Faceless, Shadowstep isn't that good, especially if you use it on shitty chargers (Arcane Golem is 12 for 5 mana, which isn't bad, but you're giving your opponent 3 crystals, which is kinda bad).
If you want to go with Leeroy, I say commit to it and build around it and make a true Miracle rogue. Otherwise this deck feels a bit weird and lackluster.
Look at my comment above - I understand your logic that all your charges are finishers, but they're typically low damage charges or stuff that isn't really worth it.
As for Blade Flurry, the thing is it's very mana unefficient if you use it to do 1/3 damage across the board... The Assassin's Blades would work very well because they will buy you time once you reach 5 mana and doing Flurry with them is very good (especially when you Flurry on their last durability point).
I'd take one out and maybe put another Fan of Knives (which will help with your card draw) and also take out one of the Faceless. 2 Faceless is only useful in very specific situations, and if you end up with a Faceless before turn 10 it's a 100% dead card as it only synergizes well with Leeroy.
And see, for your "ideal kill" scenario, the best one out of the bunch is the Arcane Golem, where you get 24 damage but at turn 10. You actually get more value than using Leeroy + Cold Blood + Faceless, but you need an extra card. You also have a grand total of 5 charge cards, which is really low if you want to focus your deck on this. If you end up in a shitty position and you only have a Deckhand or a Bluegill, you hit 20 damage straight up with 2 Cold Bloods, which while it isn't bad, requires a HUGE setup with no continual reliable card draw. You'll die to a lot of shit (especially mid-range decks) with that.
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I'm having more fun than I should making fake cards.
LOL this is so ridiculously overpowered it's not even funny.
6 mana for a 4/5 body (which isn't bad already), a taunt, a + spellpower, and +1 hp regen? (the 1/1 totem is usually crap but hey). You get 6 mana for essentially 5/11 with special abilities
Fun times!super-famicom
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i may or may not have had a rough run recently
Change Rogue to Priest and you've got a deal!
My issue was swapping decks too often. I finally made significant headway after I just stuck to one. I had swapped 5 times when I was stuck on the 15-12 treadmill. It always seemed like whatever I went to (aggro or control) I ran into the perfect counter for the next 2 or 3 games.
Hearthstone Tracker really helped too. It let me see forest through all the trees which was that my overall totals weren't as bad as it seemed when I'd lose 2 or 3 in a row to counters.
whatever deck you play should be able to deal with zoo (aggro), miracle rogues, handlock and ramp druids (control/big minions). A special mention for control warrior which will screw slow decks with a limited damage range (miracle, a lot of mage decks). If you can't beat face hunter, paladin, warrior, mage, you probably struggle against zoo too
Hearing Leeroy tears my soul to shreds.
This is fun.
I don't know a thing about WoW lore though, so I'm just putting some random characters in. Rehgar is apparently an advisor to Thrall, so why not get him to be a legendary?
Very sexy custom cards, keep posting 'em! I think I'll make and post a couple more myself.Thanks!
I'm having more fun than I should making fake cards.
Card creator is here if you didn't catch the link: http://achievementgen.com/hearthstone/
I think Leeroy at 5 mana would be the most natural choice. Reducing his damage is silly as it doesn't change anything, really. 1 less damage isn't going to change how he's used much. Making him 5 mana, however, is a HUGE nerf to Miracle Rogue specifically since you wouldn't be able to Shadowstep him twice anymore so the best combo would be Leeroy + Shadowstep + Leeroy + 2x Cold Blood for exactly 20 damage (instead of 26, which is almost a one-hit kill). It would specifically only address Miracle Rogues, though, so it might be too rough of a nerf.
Gadgetzan going to 6 mana would hurt Rogues, sure, but would it be such a problem to delay their card engine by one turn? I'm not sure. The problem is more with the nearly unlimited crazy low cost card draws than anything - we would need a solution to that. There's a few possibilities, such as having it lose 1 hp every time it draws, or making it only draw on spells that cost 1 or more, which would definitely help.
Officerrob
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Should be another new class card shown tonight
Professor Lich
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I think he's cool with Sword of Justice or Gorehowl, but yeah, being dependent on a weapon sucks.
He pops up in competitive Aggro Warrior decks every now and then. He's situational, but he's not bad.
Fragamemnon
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Naxx is from 06? Im so old
I remember the event in the desert to unlock it.
That was Ahn'Qiraj
"Stealth" and "Can't be targeted by spells or heroes powers" is redundant. You can't target a minion under stealth with anything.
Hearthstone really, really needs more cards.
And random targeting effects still affect them.
It's not. Faerie Dragons can be targeted by enemy battlecries. Stealthed minions can't be.
On a single card it is. He was quoting a made up card.
RumblingRosco
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If a Hunter were to play Flare, this minion would remain untargettable from spells/hero powers by having that extra text. So, it serves some purpose.
As a longtime WoW shaman, I'm still saddened by a few of the missing abilities. Here's some I made up just now:
EDIT: Corrected tooltip after Steaks suggestion. Couldn't think of a way to word the caster "armoring up" with Lightning Shield like you do in the game, giving you "X" charges to deal 1 damage to the enemy. That's how I'd prefer it, though.
And of course, the counter to Overload which would make Shaman...pretty popular, I'd bet.
EDIT: Corrected tooltip after Steaks suggestion. Couldn't think of a way to word the caster "armoring up" with Lightning Shield like you do in the game, giving you "X" charges to deal 1 damage to the enemy. That's how I'd prefer it, though.
And of course, the counter to Overload which would make Shaman...pretty popular, I'd bet.
shadowstar
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Jesus all I face are Kolento locks and miracle rogues.
Really? What rank? I only played like 2 people trying kolento's lock deck between rank 5 and legend. I tried it myself and found it too hard to play.
shadowstar
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Rank 5 and 6. I've literally played 4 kolento locks in a row just now.
Onion_Relish
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I need some advice one which legendary to pick up next. Looking for something that will fit into most decks but can also augment my main deck
Here is my Druid deck I roll with.
0: Innervate x 2
1: Nothing
2: Mark of the Wild x 2, Power of the Wild x 2, Wild Growth, Wrath, Acidic Swamp Ooze
3: Healing Touch, Savage Roar, Ironfur Grizzly, Mind Control Tech
4: Swipe x 2, Keeper of the Grove x2, Ogre Magi
5: Nourish, Starfall, Azure Drake, Druid of the Claw x 2
6: Cairne Bloodhoof*, Sunwalker
7: Ancient of Lore, Ancient of War x 2
9: Cenarius*
10: Sea Giant
I do pretty well against most enemies in a control game, but I feel like I need a bit of gas in the early game. I'm wondering If I should pick up Nat Pagle for the card draw ability or even bloodmage thalnos for the quick trigger when I need some extra swipe or starfall damage. At the same time, it's hard to pass up Malygos, Rag or Ysera as they fit in well into almost any deck.
The only downside to picking up a new legendary is that I will have to dust Nozdormu. But Considering how much better sea giant is than Noz, its not difficult to justify the decision. Also I will have to dust a gold tinged twisting nether which looks awesome. But c'est la vie. Any advice on the deck or the legendary is apprecited. As I pointed out I want to incorporate it into other decks as well if possible
Here is my Druid deck I roll with.
0: Innervate x 2
1: Nothing
2: Mark of the Wild x 2, Power of the Wild x 2, Wild Growth, Wrath, Acidic Swamp Ooze
3: Healing Touch, Savage Roar, Ironfur Grizzly, Mind Control Tech
4: Swipe x 2, Keeper of the Grove x2, Ogre Magi
5: Nourish, Starfall, Azure Drake, Druid of the Claw x 2
6: Cairne Bloodhoof*, Sunwalker
7: Ancient of Lore, Ancient of War x 2
9: Cenarius*
10: Sea Giant
I do pretty well against most enemies in a control game, but I feel like I need a bit of gas in the early game. I'm wondering If I should pick up Nat Pagle for the card draw ability or even bloodmage thalnos for the quick trigger when I need some extra swipe or starfall damage. At the same time, it's hard to pass up Malygos, Rag or Ysera as they fit in well into almost any deck.
The only downside to picking up a new legendary is that I will have to dust Nozdormu. But Considering how much better sea giant is than Noz, its not difficult to justify the decision. Also I will have to dust a gold tinged twisting nether which looks awesome. But c'est la vie. Any advice on the deck or the legendary is apprecited. As I pointed out I want to incorporate it into other decks as well if possible
Nobody uses Pagle anymore. I got him recently and I'm going to dust him as soon as I get within 400 of crafting a legendary.
I'd probably get a bloodmage thalnos. He'd fit in well in this deck, and in a lot of other decks. Any reason you're running an ogre magi instead of 2 azure drakes? 1 extra mana for a card draw is a good deal.
I'd probably get a bloodmage thalnos. He'd fit in well in this deck, and in a lot of other decks. Any reason you're running an ogre magi instead of 2 azure drakes? 1 extra mana for a card draw is a good deal.
Onion_Relish
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I actually only have one drake (could easily craft another one) but I've found it useful to innervate him out on turn 2 or coin him out on turn 4. Turn 3 is a weak turn for druid so he gives a bit more flexibility in that regard. Also having him for turn 8 for a possible swipe or turn 9 for a starfall gives one extra turn to work with.
It's people like you who make us facerollers cry. How am I supposed to get my zoo inside that wall?
win big lose big! i've actually only recently started incorporating taunts. i used to run a no-taunts late-game mage deck that basically relied on secrets, alex, and ice block to keep me alive -- made it to L8 with it! But there was almost never a calm win. I like playing this style but super aggro is legitimately a huge pain as it should be. Fun tense matchups.
I'm trying out a 100% F2P Rogue deck in EU. I bought packs with achievement gold and DE'd everything I couldn't use as well as DE'd anything of value from my other decks (Eaglehorn, Hounds, etc.) Scraped together enough to craft a couple of key cards like a single Auctioneer and SI Agent.
Kobold Geomancer is working out REALLY well, I think it's a huge value vs. Azure Drake because I can play it relatively early to either buff spells or turn it into a weapon w/ Cold Blood. Also, if Geomancer gets silenced you can Shadowstep it and bring it back out for 0 mana with its benefits intact. I'm like 12-2 with this deck, going from Rank 20 to 15.
The 30th card slot I'm unsure about. I've been running Stormwind Champion but I just changed it out in favor of Assassinate. In my past 8 or 9 games I haven't once played Champion and there have been situations where a hard removal would have come in handy.
Deck list:
Backstab x2
Shadowstep x1
Cold Blood x2
Conceal x1
Deadly Poison x2
Sinister Strike x2
Blade Flurry x1
Eviscerate x2
Sap x2
Shiv x2
Bloodsail Raider x1 (this card can be pivotal in the early game with your standard weapon or late game with Assassin's Blade)
Defias Ringleader x1
Kobold Geomancer x1
Novice Engineer x1
Fan of Knives x2
Questing Adventurer x1 (another pivotal card if for no other reason than playing it almost always induces panic in your opponents and they'll immediately spend a lot to remove it)
SI:7 Agent x1
Wolfrider x1
Assassin's Blade x1
Assassinate x1
Gadgetzan Auctioneer x1
Reckless Rocketeer x1 (This is or a buffed Wolfrider can be your Leeroy substitutes)
Cards this deck really needs once I get the dust: Preparation x2, a second Auctioneer, a second Conceal
What I really like about this deck is that it can easily go over taunts for big damage. At least a couple of times I've finished low health opponents by using Blade Flurry on a buffed Assassin's Blade.
Kobold Geomancer is working out REALLY well, I think it's a huge value vs. Azure Drake because I can play it relatively early to either buff spells or turn it into a weapon w/ Cold Blood. Also, if Geomancer gets silenced you can Shadowstep it and bring it back out for 0 mana with its benefits intact. I'm like 12-2 with this deck, going from Rank 20 to 15.
The 30th card slot I'm unsure about. I've been running Stormwind Champion but I just changed it out in favor of Assassinate. In my past 8 or 9 games I haven't once played Champion and there have been situations where a hard removal would have come in handy.
Deck list:
Backstab x2
Shadowstep x1
Cold Blood x2
Conceal x1
Deadly Poison x2
Sinister Strike x2
Blade Flurry x1
Eviscerate x2
Sap x2
Shiv x2
Bloodsail Raider x1 (this card can be pivotal in the early game with your standard weapon or late game with Assassin's Blade)
Defias Ringleader x1
Kobold Geomancer x1
Novice Engineer x1
Fan of Knives x2
Questing Adventurer x1 (another pivotal card if for no other reason than playing it almost always induces panic in your opponents and they'll immediately spend a lot to remove it)
SI:7 Agent x1
Wolfrider x1
Assassin's Blade x1
Assassinate x1
Gadgetzan Auctioneer x1
Reckless Rocketeer x1 (This is or a buffed Wolfrider can be your Leeroy substitutes)
Cards this deck really needs once I get the dust: Preparation x2, a second Auctioneer, a second Conceal
What I really like about this deck is that it can easily go over taunts for big damage. At least a couple of times I've finished low health opponents by using Blade Flurry on a buffed Assassin's Blade.
Onion_Relish
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I'm no rogue player, but i don't see the value in wolfrider at all, nor do i see any value in having any sinister strikes, let alone two of them. Those need to be replaced by minions in my opinion, maybe another si:7 agent, or even a few taunts or even a yeti
Fragamemnon
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- Double brawl weapon warrior aggro (sounds bad, in practice it's good) , see http://www.hearthpwn.com/decks/57571-legend-t8-weapons-warrior
- Face Warlock - http://www.hearthhead.com/deck=48555/legend-16hp-must-be-safe-warlock
Shockadin Paladin (charge minions, hard counters taunt walls with equality)
Face Hunter
Those are all total beatdown decks.
What rank are you? Some decks (like the warrior aggro decks) are much worse at rank 5 and below.
call_kotaku
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Hm I'm having more luck with token druid compared to my bastardized ramp druid, but I did fall from 7 all the way to 10 so I guess it might be the climb back being easier. It seems like a deck focusing on 4/5 drops is better in the current meta than a deck focusing on 6/7 drops (and I don't have cairne and sylvanas which probably made it worse). Decks like zoo peak around that turn and vs rogues you need to put in enough hurt and have enough minions on the board before they can put down the gadgetzan.
Plus having good burst is always a good thing. I thought the druid combo was situational as hell because you would only run one force of nature and having that and a savage roar in your hand on turn 9 seems flakey as hell. Fortunately the deck is full of good cards and force of nature and savage roar are pretty good even if they aren't played together, which makes it a bit more consistent than I expected.
Plus having good burst is always a good thing. I thought the druid combo was situational as hell because you would only run one force of nature and having that and a savage roar in your hand on turn 9 seems flakey as hell. Fortunately the deck is full of good cards and force of nature and savage roar are pretty good even if they aren't played together, which makes it a bit more consistent than I expected.
Running zoo tonight on the ladder at rank 10.
I ran into 5 straight watcher druid decks which is pretty damn weird and also quite inconvenient. I normally see a lot of druid, but not 5 of the same type in a row. Welcome back to rank 11. I didn't get even get a semi-optimal draw in 4 of the 5. I managed to win two, but what can ya do. No deck is more frustrating for me (playing zoo) than this...outside of the good old control warrior, of course.
I wish I could catch a few good streams of control warrior. I'd like to try it out, only need one of the legendaries. It just seems kind of clunky to me, though.
I ran into 5 straight watcher druid decks which is pretty damn weird and also quite inconvenient. I normally see a lot of druid, but not 5 of the same type in a row. Welcome back to rank 11. I didn't get even get a semi-optimal draw in 4 of the 5. I managed to win two, but what can ya do. No deck is more frustrating for me (playing zoo) than this...outside of the good old control warrior, of course.
I wish I could catch a few good streams of control warrior. I'd like to try it out, only need one of the legendaries. It just seems kind of clunky to me, though.
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