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Hearthstone |OT| Why tap cards when you can roll need [Naxx final wing out now]
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It's not out yet. Most likely in a few weeks.
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Not a new deck, but finally got around to trying this aggro lock deck. I like it. Feels like people are too used to zoo, and this throws them off, thinking they can win by getting back board control. I added in an extra hellfire because the board clear and face damage is just too good.
Fragamemnon
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I played this deck from 16 to 7 last season with a very good win rate. I despised the zoo "mirror" greatly because it's actually very hard with this deck, but it felt much better vs. Miracle, Charge Druid, and Freeze Mae than regular zoo did. I think it is effective at quick laddering and a legend viable deck.
Yeah, just played 2 zoos in a row. Got wrecked by the first, I destroyed the 2nd. The difference was hellfire. Even though I had an amazing opening hand I still lost board control around turn 4, got saved by hellfire, and won right after that. Hellfire is just too good to not run 2 of them. Dropped a mortal coil, and going to drop the 2nd one for something else. Going to try a boar. Yes, the damage is useless, but if they waste 2 mana to ping it, that's great, plus sometimes you just need a fast cheap thing with charge to combo with power overwhelming. The other option is elven archer.
After playing a game I'm definitely keeping the boar. Really helped out in a zoo game by letting me kill his knife juggler by dropping him next to a dire wolf. He also combos with abusive sergeant so he has a lot of synergy.
If the most recent rumor is true, that's enough for all five wings.
zorlaczerohero
Banned
God this game is annoying, sitting at 8 and just can't go past it. Too many bloody Warlocks.
KojiKnight
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One win away from rank 8. This feels like the kind of meta (and my main primary deck) where if I tried I could push to legendary... I just can't stay motivated. Even if I'm currently winning 3+ for every 1 loss, losses just kill my feelings of momentum. That said, the mid-range pally deck I made is really mopping up. I'm now convinced people just aren't expecting and thus don't know how to handle it even though it's nothing much special to look at.
What's important is whether you actually play him or not. Just because Kel'Thuzad's conditions might be more explicit doesn't mean he's that much worse.
CradleOfMan
Neo Member
You need to really want to get that legendary card back. If you're losing motivation at rank 8, then the grind from 5 and down (without winstreaks!) is a real mountain. Not gonna happen this month unless you knuckle down now.
The deck is expensive to make and hard to play.
Also fuck Priests when you play Warrior
The Hearthstone playerbase at large has trouble playing Zoo with any kind of finesse, Control Warrior is 2much4them.
The fact that you can't play him willy nilly makes him worse. This is why Ysera fell out of favor. She was just too fragile to be worth playing over Rag and Cenarius, whose effects are immediate and change the board state substantially, rain or shine.
It would be different if the game slowed down enough where the average kill turn is like 9 or 13. But in a meta where kills happen by turn 7, unless it's a control-vs-control, a card that absolutely needs certain conditions to be met to be worth playing is inherently inferior to cards that have few such limitations.
Think about it this way, in the late game, when you're behind, you'll never be disappointed to topdeck Rag or Cenarius. Or Alexstrasza. These are cards that can further clinch your victory, or mitigate a losing position. Kel? It's possible for Kel to save you, but only in very narrow situations that aren't precisely "losing" (empty board state, low life, etc) so much as "slightly disadvantaged" (board state, but not as strong as the opponent's).
The fact that you can't play him willy nilly makes him worse. This is why Ysera fell out of favor. She was just too fragile to be worth playing over Rag and Cenarius, whose effects are immediate and change the board state substantially, rain or shine.
It would be different if the game slowed down enough where the average kill turn is like 9 or 13. But in a meta where kills happen by turn 7, unless it's a control-vs-control, a card that absolutely needs certain conditions to be met to be worth playing is inherently inferior to cards that have few such limitations.
Think about it this way, in the late game, when you're behind, you'll never be disappointed to topdeck Rag or Cenarius. Or Alexstrasza. These are cards that can further clinch your victory, or mitigate a losing position. Kel? It's possible for Kel to save you, but only in very narrow situations that aren't precisely "losing" (empty board state, low life, etc) so much as "slightly disadvantaged" (board state, but not as strong as the opponent's).
I'm really bad at Zoo, and I don't know why. I can play Ramp Druid, Aggro Paladin, and Silence Priest with plenty of skill, but Zoo eludes me. Maybe it's because I dont have time to watch streams.
Only difference between a good and bad zoo player is knowing when to go for face versus clearing the board.
Didn't control warrior fall out of favor because it gets rekt by miracle? Even kitkatz agrees that miracle is an unfavorable matchup.
I think control warrior is making a comeback due to the resurgence of freeze mage.
KojiKnight
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Since I got to rank 8 in 2 days worth of playing (maybe 2-3 hours each time) I don't think I'd have a problem, just not sure if grinding 5-6 hours a day for the next few would be worth my time and possible heartbreak
Minsc
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^ My guess is you likely disconnected, it's a common occurrence to people who lose their connection in a game, they think their opponent's turn never ends.
Things definitely get easier at the end of the season... I noticed I am having a lot less trouble now moving up. But you have a point about wanting there to be more than a few days... I imagine if you tried to get to rank 8 in the first week of the new season you would have more difficulty doing do (not saying it'd be very hard or anything, just not quite as simple as now).
Since I got to rank 8 in 2 days worth of playing (maybe 2-3 hours each time) I don't think I'd have a problem, just not sure if grinding 5-6 hours a day for the next few would be worth my time and possible heartbreak
Things definitely get easier at the end of the season... I noticed I am having a lot less trouble now moving up. But you have a point about wanting there to be more than a few days... I imagine if you tried to get to rank 8 in the first week of the new season you would have more difficulty doing do (not saying it'd be very hard or anything, just not quite as simple as now).
My biggest problem i think is knowing when it's Ok to Soulfire or Doomguard.
I really don't see how, they easily deal with your relatively weak threats while armoring up and at some point your deck simply doesn't have the damage to kill them off anymore. Miracle's game plan isn't really that different from Freeze Mage either.
Maybe I'm unlucky or mulliganning wrong, idk.
That's really not that big of a deal to sort out... that, minion positioning, and managing discards is about all there is. Which is why I don't understand why zoo gets so much derision, three elements is about any deck has.
For me it's been more about learning the meta, and how to play around common scenarios that's made the biggest difference. First season I struggled to finish at rank 18, last season ended at 8, and I'm currently sitting at 6. As a casual player who will never make legend, I don't expect to ever see past rank 5.
partyphone
Banned
warriors don't usually play taunt and unless you get lucky with baron geddon and whirlwind they can't kill a concealed auctioneer. and when control warrior plays a big threat it's usually just sapped right back to their hand.
and the miracle rogues that play coldlights are hilariously bad matchups for control warrior. although that isn't a common build anymore.
Does Ragnaros ignore stealthed targets? Can't remember how that works.
Never drew Conceal in my recent games, maybe that's the issue. Like most decklists I only run one. But even then you've got a lot of armor to chew through if they drew their removal/Shield Block early.
Nope he doesn't care, it's often Druids' best option to remove a concealed Auctioneer as well.
Pretty much. Miracle Rogue is given free reign to do their thing so it's all on the Control Warrior to win before they lose.
Because people keep thinking it's a "hit them in the face" sort of deck and underplay what elements it does have (/overplay the elements their decks have).
Aquavelvaman
Banned
My control warrior is 71% against rogue this season. I think I might have fought a couple tempo/pirates but obviously most of those games were against miracle.
It's definitely possible to lose, but as long as I'm able to put down a few pressure minions I usually win and feel pretty comfortable about it.
I disagree 100% with the common advice to just armor up against miracle. They will kill you every time unless you get two shield blocks, and even then they can kill you without too much effort. It's much better to play your threats and make them blow their spells on removing them. You can usually get a rogue to blow 2-3 spells early if you play taskmaster onto armorsmith. Getting both Kok'kron Elites early is usually the best sign of success vs miracle.
My favorite move is to kill my own Sylvanas to take their stealthed auctioneer.
Professor Lich
Member
What if you had two KTs? Would you get two minions back for the price of one?
CarbonatedFalcon
Member
Nope. I quit out of a game once almost immediately when it killed one of my stealthed Auctioneers.
partyphone
Banned
double ysera would be hilarious but sylvanas is the better choice.
Mobius and pet octopus
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Maybe we'll see naxxramas update this upcoming tuesday. It will be July 1st. And I presume they may release it at the beginning of the month to get all 4 wings released in the same season. So... maybe
That is the general sentiment. But I personally don't notice a difficulty change. At least not significant. I've ranked up early some seasons and sometimes very late like this season.
That is the general sentiment. But I personally don't notice a difficulty change. At least not significant. I've ranked up early some seasons and sometimes very late like this season.
Perhaps, it was just a coincidence last season and this season.
I have been streaming my progress this season. It took me a lot of work to get to rank 6 [only have handlock deck], and then i hit a terrible losing streak that set me back to rank 11 all on stream. I took a break for a bit from ranked play after being bummed out about that, when i decided to jump back in, i went from rank 11 to rank 7 in a matter of hours!
Possibly dumb luck, but it certainly felt a lot easier.
I have been streaming my progress this season. It took me a lot of work to get to rank 6 [only have handlock deck], and then i hit a terrible losing streak that set me back to rank 11 all on stream
. I took a break for a bit from ranked play after being bummed out about that, when i decided to jump back in, i went from rank 11 to rank 7 in a matter of hours! Possibly dumb luck, but it certainly felt a lot easier.
Mobius and pet octopus
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Perhaps, it was just a coincidence last season and this season.
I have been streaming my progress this season. It took me a lot of work to get to rank 6 [only have handlock deck], and then i hit a terrible losing streak that set me back to rank 11 all on stream
Possibly dumb luck, but it certainly felt a lot easier.
Well the meta does shift sometimes where handlock is very good, and other times where it is just average. Meta could explain why you have a rough time or an easy time. Just look at your match ups and figure out what you are weak against and what you are strong against. Then if you are losing often against something you should be winning, try to figure out what you're doing wrong.
Minsc
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Maybe we'll see naxxramas update this upcoming tuesday. It will be July 1st. And I presume they may release it at the beginning of the month to get all 4 wings released in the same season. So... maybe
The jelly bean / gummy bear thing seems to be the strongest lead to me so far, July 15th, it's a Tuesday as well. It was said they also made mention of 7-15 in another tweet. It's all 5 wings besides, not 4, so it'd never condense in to a single season even if it released on the 1st. Though I guess if you got the 5th wing to hit on the 29th, it'd still technically be the same season... I still find that July 15th prediction to be the most likely. Perhaps they'll shed some light on it soon.
Shaman is what happened to me during my losing streak. That earthshock so op against Twilight Drake
Fragamemnon
Member
This is why I like Rag over Cenarius in Druid at the top ranks. Rag comes out sooner and really messed with rogues (Stealth Auctioneer or not). Cenarius is a better mirror breaker and still a solid pick.
Not enough people playing Shaman and midrange Hunter in the metagame, given how good those decks are.
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
I personally choose cenarius over ragnaros because of cenarius' synergy with savage roar. Even if only cenarius survives, that is 7 damage more reach, and when combined with FON+SR, that is 21 points of reach in a single turn. If you have a crazy hand, FON+SR+innervate+SR... is like 29 points of damage. That is nuts.
Ragnaros is good but I feel like Cenarius is much more consistent.
I think it's really volatile depending on the time you play. I cruised to 3 in the afternoon, but late in the evening, I was facing high ranked legendaries. Just not as many people playing sometimes so the skill is all over the place maybe.
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