RumblingRosco
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So on turn 3 he had a 3/1, a 1/2, and a 1/2 and drew four cards, losing only the coin? Not bad.
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So on turn 3 he had a 3/1, a 1/2, and a 1/2 and drew four cards, losing only the coin? Not bad.
KojiKnight
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Made it to rank 7 this round, going to stop now. I'm thinking about actually trying for legendary next month... but if I want to do that, I'll have to do it before Naxx hits and the meta shifts heavily (my current deck has been incredibly good in the current meta).
CarbonatedFalcon
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When the FUCK did Zoo add Ooze? Jesus.
partyphone
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if they're well designed secrets then they should synergize with a specific deck archetype. at which point it narrows down the guessing game.
probably tired of seeing so many miracle rogues
I have 1 of those 1/2 remove 1 durability pirates, and two oozes in my zoo. hheehhehehehehheheheeehheeheheheh
So far they aren't offering features in general (observe all the lack of replays/social/tournament stuff). But looking at how the now-mature Starcraft 2 neglects to give you many key stats, and goes out of its way to hide some from you, makes a better case that Blizzard is anti-stats.
If they don't want stats in the interface, I understand, but they could at least support reading stats for those who want them. Given HS' card game nature, it would be the simplest thing in the world for them to include a hidden option to output everything that happens in a text log. 3rd party SW could then read and parse that.
If I start playing a bit more seriously, I think I'll set up a spreadsheet. Tried HearthStats but feel like it doesn't have room for enough data. For instance, winrate vs class isn't super meaningful if it covers going against both handlocks and zoos. And the rank a given match is played at is important information since the meta can apparently change wildly when going just a few ranks up and down.
My feeling for most the complaints in the thread is that people want their creations to be viable simply for the sake that it's their creation (or more broadly, whatever they want to play should be good). The "meta is garbage" is consistent from the same people despite the meta changing on a consistent basis. I guess the meta is always bad, except when it's the exact deck they want to play.
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
Suddenly, 17 minute wait que to log on to Battle.net after getting disconnected?
Did Blizzard finally fix their game(s) so people are now interested in all their (dead) games or is this just yet another shit bug?
Did Blizzard finally fix their game(s) so people are now interested in all their (dead) games or is this just yet another shit bug?
partyphone
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I know. : (
Fragamemnon
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So what's everyone running next month for the laddering? I'm going Miracle all the way. Only other deck I would give serious consideration is running cancer rogue from 5->Legend.
Warrior control. My only proper deck. Got me to rank 5 and I didn't even mean to climb, just practice the deck and pick dailies. That or some hunter decks if freeze mage is prevalent.
Remove everything with Shamans premium removals. Equip doomhammer and 2 rockbiters.
Can you post your deck?
I want to try and learn some of the classic, well-known decks. Miracle almost certainly, and maybe Handlock, Freeze Mage? I've just been hoping for a few key cards for these decks to drop before having to throw dust at them. Only complete non-Zoo decks I have access to right now are Token Mage and some kinds of Hunters.
What, if anything, is Miracle really weak against? Would a Handlock or a Freeze Mage be a better complementary deck to switch to in a very anti-Miracle environment?
Yes, you want him to waste his shield slams and executes and cairne is great for both.
Sylvanis is way too early and taskmasters come in handy down the road.
Préparation is obviously pretty clutch for cycling in miracle rogue. In spell power rogue I use it at all stages in the game. Turn 9 malygos +prep fan of knives clears the board easily. Even turn 10 malygos sinister strike + prep + sinister strike is 16 unblocked damage to face. It's also useful to have in the mid game if you're getting overwhelmed on the board and need a bit more juice to stabilize. I definitely think you could go without it but I've never been sad to see it.
I don't think that's the reason for the complaints right now, unless you don't see a problem with decks that can draw and play 5+ cards on the same turn and do 15+ direct damage (and still having enough mana to remove 1-2 taunts)?
Why does your deck matter in that situation? You didn't get a chance to counter anything. It's a single player game at that point.
Zoolock and other similar decks are fine to me because I have a chance to play the game. Zoolock also has to make sacrifices and has clear weaknesses (losing 2 HP/mana to draw a card, losing key monsters is a problem, majority of their damage is dealt via monsters, and they have to worry about mana). I can actually react to the situation after they end their turn. I can't do that vs Miracle Rouge once they have the cards or mana to start their combo.
Ayup, I would've.
what are you missing?
So what were you doing for those 5-6 turns? What's your end-game plan you're after yourself? Miracle doesn't just get to do whatever until turn 5/6 and then draw their entire deck and kill you. These depictions of Miracle are best (worst, depending on your side I suppose) case scenarios.
Saying "why does your deck matter?" is pretty much what I'm talking about. Your deck is what you have to use. If the metagame is Miracle, you should have a deck that has a positive Miracle match-up. Your deck is literally the most important part here. If you're playing a deck that wants to react to your opponent and out value their late game, you're essentially the type of deck Miracle preys upon.
Personally, I think having a degenerate deck in existence is fairly important to the overall health of the metagame. Likewise, the same applies to any super effective rush deck. They keep other decks fair by making sure decks don't disrespect certain aspects of the game too far.
Hydranockz
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EU servers seem to be back.
KojiKnight
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Going to run primarily what I ran this month with some slight tweaks. I have a great mid-game control pally that has a lot of heals to handle the current burn/to the face decks that are most common (zoo, freeze mage, miracle rogue). It runs fairly decent against late game power decks as well (ramp druid, handlock).
In addition to the sweeping nerfs to Freeze Mage, many people don't know that Miracle Rogue was once smashed with the nerf bat too:
Backstab Can no longer target damaged minions.
Shiv Mana cost increased from 1 to 2.
Conceal Mana cost increased from 0 to 1.
Headcrack Mana cost increased from 2 to 3.
Dagger Mastery No longer has the ability to buff a currently equipped weapon.
Edwin VanCleef Stats increased from 1/1 to 2/2, but no longer has Stealth.
(Dagger Mastery was originally, "Equip a 1/2 Dagger; or Give your weapon +1 Attack this turn.")
Dagger Mastery only buffed the HP daggers IIRC. It's been a while, so I could be mis-remembering, but I think it would replace your currently equipped weap unless you had HP daggers out. Still was crazy powerful, giving a HP the ability to hit for 2, but at least it couldn't buff Assassin's/Perdition.
Oh, so that's the old Shiv I heard so much about.
Pretty bananas.
Pretty bananas.
Nah, it was attack.
Via Hearthstone Wiki, which conveniently has the changelog of every card on their page.
depths20XX
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I'm starting to realize I'm just really bad at this game.
My experience on ranked typically goes like this: 4 game win streak, 4 game loss streak, then me quitting for the day because I get pissed.
My experience on ranked typically goes like this: 4 game win streak, 4 game loss streak, then me quitting for the day because I get pissed.
When you lose two times in a row, stop playing.
You're on tilt.
I see this all the time in every PvP game I play.
Recognize the tilt, and avoid it.
I like that Miracle exists but I don't like playing against it because it makes me nervous. I can spend a long time on my turn planning what to do and hoping they don't have all the cards they need.
And then after all that work and thinking, they end up having or drawing into what they need anyway and then I feel sad that I spent all that time planning on my turn as 3 Leeroys explode my face.
And when I win against Miracle, I don't feel satisfied at the win. I feel relieved that the constant nervous feeling of "does s/he have it...?" is gone. And then I match up against another Miracle after and I become sad again.
I like playing against Miracle more than I do Freeze Mage though. Their stall tactics make me even more sad.
And then after all that work and thinking, they end up having or drawing into what they need anyway and then I feel sad that I spent all that time planning on my turn as 3 Leeroys explode my face.
And when I win against Miracle, I don't feel satisfied at the win. I feel relieved that the constant nervous feeling of "does s/he have it...?" is gone. And then I match up against another Miracle after and I become sad again.
I like playing against Miracle more than I do Freeze Mage though. Their stall tactics make me even more sad.
I could be wrong, but I think that was another case of Blizzard using overly simplistic wording. I've been looking for video evidence, but both miracle and spell power rogue didn't usually use other weapons back then.
Good news is you're still up two stars. But yea, like Haly said ... never play on tilt.
RumblingRosco
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I just wanted to mention that we just wrapped up the 2nd NeoGAF Hearthstone tournament and I believe Ferny is expecting to host another one soon. It's quite a lot of fun and you guys should keep an eye out for it to go up! I don't want to speak for Ferny of course so I'm not 100% sure he's hosting again, but anyway, it's fun, so join up if another one does indeed pop up.
Freeze: http://www.hearthpwn.com/decks/63979-rdus-freeze-mage-dreamhack-winner
Aggro: http://www.liquidhearth.com/forum/constructed-strategy/457641-deck-guide-special-tactics-aggro-mage
Secrets: http://www.reddit.com/r/hearthstone..._legend_by_playing_secret_mage_decklist_info/
Of those, Freeze is the most relevant. Aggro mage was better in the last two months but fell off this month for reasons I'm not privy to. Secret Mage is trolly and gets by because no one expects it.
RumblingRosco
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Hmm, thanks! Still missing a couple of cards but I'll play around.Thanks!
Keep in mind the Aggro Mage deck from above is over 6 months old and still is based around 8 mana Pyroblasts and cheaper cost freeze spells. I'm not sure if that type of aggro Mage is very viable anymore, though I'm sure the above deck is a good starting point for trying to get one together.
Professor Lich
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Well, the dream is dead. Wasn't able to break rank 10 but I'm still happy and proud with my deck that I made off my own whims, with some help from Haly.
Hope everyone else had a decent season.
Hope everyone else had a decent season.
Aquavelvaman
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I play this deck to do mage quests. It performs pretty well, I think.
I got to rank 5 but simply don't have time to try to grind any higher. I played a couple control warrior decks and one control pally pretty much every game on ladder. Not sure what I will do next season. I might stick with control warrior just to get the golden portrait.
Cool, what class?
I got to rank 5 but simply don't have time to try to grind any higher. I played a couple control warrior decks and one control pally pretty much every game on ladder. Not sure what I will do next season. I might stick with control warrior just to get the golden portrait.
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