Letterbomb
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Zoolock is much more able to use commons and rares in an efficient way than any of my potential decks.
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Hearthstone |OT| Why tap cards when you can roll need [Naxx final wing out now]
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Zoolock is much more able to use commons and rares in an efficient way than any of my potential decks.
I guess you should give up and uninstall the game, then. Don't seek any deck advice or anything, because zoo is unbeatable.
Letterbomb
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Boy, overreaction much? You haven't given any deck advice. You just said "it's beatable" without elaboration. Any deck advice I've been given have instructed to get specific rares/epics/legendaries to combat Zoo. Which basic cards are you saying will cream it then?
Mid-range hunter is probably the best cheap deck to go up against Zoo. UTH is a selective AoE, which means you can avoid hatching eggs and still maintain board control.
Nothing "creams" zoo. Certainly class based board removals will punish them. Removal cards like Wrath and Lightning Bolt will help. You can also use solid taunt cards like Sludge Belcher or Unstable Ghoul. So far you haven't posted any of your decks so I can't give specifics. Different cards can work with different decks.
mysteriousmage09
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Priests are so fucking stupid. Game may as well play for them with the fucking "random" cards they constantly get.
Lemme guess, are you a warrior who got thought stealed?
Pyros_Eien
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General cards that work well against zoo:
Good taunt mobs: Senjin, Belcher(better option than Senjin nowadays), Deathlord(kinda gambly, if they pull a doomguard you lose), Sunwalker, Earth Elemental(if crusher shaman), Tyrion, Druid of the Claw, Cenarius, Ancient of War, Abomination(prefer Belcher but an interesting choice if you don't run many minions yourself), Ancient Watcher(with sunfury/argus), Feral Spirit, Mirror Images(not a great one but good for stalling early game damage), Houndmaster, Unstable Ghoul and Argus to give everything else taunt.
Good board wiping cards: Consecration, Equality, Truesilver Champion(over 2 turns but also heals and can take bigger mobs), Blizzard, Flamestrike, Multishot, Explosive Trap, Holy Nova, Circle of Healing(with Auchenai), Lightning Storm, Forked Lightning, Hellfire, Shadowflame, Cleave, FFiery War Axe, Whirlwind(with spellpower or to activate various conditions like execute or generate armor/draw cards/buff your own mobs), Brawl, Fan of Knives, Blade Flurry, Swipe, Starfall, Force of Nature(used as a clearing, can be combined with Power of the Wild or Savage Roar later on). Note that Wild Pyromancer is almost a must for a lot of these combos and is generally THE card you want to add if you want to wipe the board via spells, since it generally adds 1dmg to your combo but can also be used with other cheaper spells to do a 1dmg wipe earlier or can be used to do more damage than 1 in later turns.
Good recovery cards: Not necessary but these help, they're basically heals. Healing Touch, Ancient of Lore, Holy Light, Lay on Hands, Guardian of Kings, Ice Armor, Shield Block, Holy Fire, Warrior and Priest hero power(and druid to an extent if attacking face/not attacking), Alexstraza, Jaraxus. Also Far Seer which is the only neutral heal that doesn't suck, if your deck is kinda weak to zoo, having a few far seers is helpful since they put a decent mob on turn 3 on the board while also healing.
Basically it's a matter of assessing how weak your deck is in early game and how to counter that by adding specific cards that help. You can go for the taunt way which generally trades efficiently but takes a bit to get going(most of the good taunts cost 4mana or more), you definitely want some board clearing cards which are mostly class specific cards and if you feel your early is bad you should certainly consider pyromancers on top. Recovery cards is very class specific but they're a good way to cancel a bad start by healing all the damage up, or stall the hp race until you get to later turns.
Note that the more you focus on beating zoo, the weaker you'll be against lategame decks like most control decks. You can build a deck that will trash zoo most of the time but it probably won't do that well against other type of decks, it's a matter of priority. If you do find yourself playing zoo more than anything else and it's not just an impression, then do stack as many anti zoo cards as you can. Having a deck with a dozen of taunts, a few board wipes, a few lategame threats and some heals is probably gonna crush zoo everytime unless you get horrible draws. Druid, Priest and Paladin I think are the best choices, in control decks. Priest would add a few cards that they usually don't use for Zoo counters specifically, such as Shadow Madness.
Lol, everyone has a match like that. Build a great deck only to have it used against you by a thought stealing priest :lol
Oh come on.
I mean we all know Thoughtsteal is rigged as fuck but it's great that Priest is finally in a good spot
lawlohwhat
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Feels undercosted to me but I'm sure it's bad as often as it's good.
ehh, I mean its two cards for... 3 mana? Kind of like the Mages Arcane Intellect. The difference being two cards from your own constructed/chosen arena deck versus two random from the opponents remaining deck. I think its real power is the ability to pull over class specific cards. Sucks playing a Priest with Pyros and stuff like that. Also they can get so lucky and pull your removal or board clears in addition to having SW
ain and SWeath in their own decks.
ShinNL
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On that note, any clue how it works with sheep or frog? I got my Stalagg sheeped so I thought my Feugen wasn't worth playing anymore. Stalagg didnt technically die, it just turned into a sheep that's no longer the Stalagg I used to know :<
He didn't die, so no dice.
When I checked earlier he said he was stopping priest because there was too many hunters about which destroyed his priest deck. Guess warrior aggro is his answer.
This concept only makes any sense if you are guaranteed to be able to draw and play your whole deck every game.
Haunted
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Not sure why it's so much fun, but I love watching pros/good streamers playing through the Naxx singleplayer. The reactions when encountering OP hero powers is hilarious.
I know that Trump, Amaz (and Day9) regularly put videos up of them clearing Naxx SP - any other recommendations?
I know that Trump, Amaz (and Day9) regularly put videos up of them clearing Naxx SP - any other recommendations?
:lol that's genius.
partyphone
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that sucks.
also part of the fun of heroic bosses is figuring them out. why people be so lazy.
partyphone
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wow that's kind of a dick move, blizzard
Hahaha fuck you too Blizzard.
partyphone
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like
the mount you get in WoW for playing hearthstone seems fine because hearthstone is free
but come on
the mount you get in WoW for playing hearthstone seems fine because hearthstone is free
but come on
CrashPrime
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Well, the last few WoW collectors editions are so mass produced, should you ever want it, it'll be there for you.
I have to maintain a safe distance of 5 meters from any copy of World of Warcraft.
The game is hazardous to my health and wellbeing.
seems like they could easily fix this by creating a filter for naxx decks
Jibber Hack
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That card back had to happen as much as I hate it. Blizzard likes to make money.
Aquavelvaman
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Yeah that's a pain in the ass. Hearthpwn is pretty worthless now because of that and because the decks change every week with the new cards and the way they present decks doesn't keep up well.
A better way to netdeck is just to copy streamers and make a couple meta replacements to suit your needs. Less popular streamers like gaara and dog will often help you make meta choices if you ask nicely.
Haunted
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That's probably the best looking card back so far.
centracore
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@Warcraft: And yes, the #Warlords themed @PlayHearthstone card back comes with both the Collector's Edition and Digital Deluxe. pic.twitter.com/XuDuOSHKAp
Looks like it will also be included in the digital deluxe edition, good chance I'll be getting that over the standard edition now.
This deck is pretty popular amongst the Druid decks on Hearthpwn but I've never actually seen it on ladder. It's a Miracle Token Druid. I play it myself when I'm doing Druid dailies and the combos you can get with it are pretty gross. I wonder why I don't see it more often? Anybody else try it out?
http://www.hearthpwn.com/decks/53778-miracle-token-druid-easy-legend
http://www.hearthpwn.com/decks/53778-miracle-token-druid-easy-legend
A lot of zoo players just go to face, though, and certain minions like Voidwalker and Defender of Argus are so strong that it's damned near impossible to punish them for it. By the time you start to turn things around, you have less than 10 life and then each turn hinges on the Warlock's top-decking skill.
Personally, I play Zoo like a control deck, and the new iteration with Naxx cards is just as good at that as the others always were. Better, really, because of the speed that it builds its board presence.
I played it about 3 times last night with my priest, or something similar. Beat it each time.
I have gotta say, mad scientist has made hunter a super powerhouse. I feel bad for anyone not playing them right now Reynad's deck seems really effective btw.
http://www.hearthpwn.com/decks/89501-reynads-op-hunter-mad-scientist-deck
Reynad's deck seems really effective btw.http://www.hearthpwn.com/decks/89501-reynads-op-hunter-mad-scientist-deck
Being able to pain the violet teachers helps, I imagine.
Officerrob
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Mad Scientist is going to be nerfed
lawlohwhat
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It's pretty bad on the ladder right now.
The first paywalled card back appears. I'm surprised they didn't go with a golden promo card for the bonus. It would keep the content in the everything can be earned position if you could craft the regular version.
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