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Lava shock is outstanding. I've wanted a card like that for shaman since forever.
If you play a 3 overload card this becomes -1 mana, deal 2 damage. Can hit face as well as minions. When its good, its better than backstab. And screws with your opponent's ability to predict what you can do on your overloaded turns.
Axe flinger is... interesting. Enemy hero only though is kind of bad. It seems like blizzard is pushing for a mid range warrior running patrons and flingers. But I'm skeptical that it will work out.
If you play a 3 overload card this becomes -1 mana, deal 2 damage. Can hit face as well as minions. When its good, its better than backstab. And screws with your opponent's ability to predict what you can do on your overloaded turns.
Axe flinger is... interesting. Enemy hero only though is kind of bad. It seems like blizzard is pushing for a mid range warrior running patrons and flingers. But I'm skeptical that it will work out.
Seems like they are trying to give math warrior more options with this plus grim patron. Kinda lends credence to that leaked warrior weapon too, since it fits that archetype as well.
Fixed1979
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Yeah, but there's only 2 cards with 3 overload and one of them doesn't get used. I can see it being useful on turn 4 if you player feral spirits on turn 3...I don't know. I guess if you have a bunch overloaded from multiple cards on the previous turn...
I'd be surprised if there ends up being more than 1 card/class.
There are 17 bosses (granting 17 neutral cards) + 5 legends one for each wing + 9 class challenges granted class cards = the 31 new cards.
It's basically removal to follow up early overload turns like lightning shock, crackle, or doom hammer. Feral wolves is more usable due to this as well as you said.
You can also play neptulon earlier this way without it being totally crippling.
Or you play multiple overload cards in a turn. like feral + bolt. It also allows you to make big power plays where like on turn 8 you use all your overload cards and get 6+ overload and then next turn lava burst gives it all back.
Or like a turn 10 neptulan + feral. Then next turn lava burst for -3 mana.
Ways to get extra mana will *always* be powerful.
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Maybe now,but I bet people will start playing Neptulon once lava axe is out.
Also,you can play more than one card with overload in one turn,which accumulates to 3 mana or more.
Fixed1979
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Yeah, you're all correct, jumped the gun a bit early on my comment, for whatever reason the idea of playing multiple overload cards in one turn didn't occur to me lol...and I've been playing Shaman all week long, must be tired. It's actually a great utility card.
I see a lot of Neptulon actually, since filling your hand with four cards late game is still really strong.
This just makes it notably better.
RumblingRosco
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I'm going to Lava Shock the ever-living shit out of everything. Also, Thalnos is gonna be my dude. Play Thalnos for 2-mana, cast a 3-damage Lava Shock onto anything for "free" if I played a Lightning Storm of Feral Spirit the turn before. Although, I guess I'd need the 2-mana available first to cast Lava Shock.
Super Nothing
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Neptulon gets played in Shaman decks. It's Earth Elemental that no one ever plays.
Fixed1979
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I love Neptulon in my deck, I find that most of the AoE clears have been used by that point in the game (unless it's a late draw) and worse case scenario on the following turn you can play at least 3 of the murlocs you draw, if you get the right synergy it's a nice way to quickly develop a board.
RumblingRosco
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Should be "Unlock your Overloaded Mana Crystals or your opponent's Overloaded Mana Crystals."
Anyway, Lava Shock is basically Holy Smite that at worst costs 1 more mana and at best costs 3-5 less mana.
Lava shock is not that good.
Without overload the card is terrible and even if you have overload it's usually not higher than 2 or 3.
If your overload is 2 it's basically a slight better,more situational backstep.
Maybe it leads to some shaman build that run way more overload cards, but currently it's not that great.
Without overload the card is terrible and even if you have overload it's usually not higher than 2 or 3.
If your overload is 2 it's basically a slight better,more situational backstep.
Maybe it leads to some shaman build that run way more overload cards, but currently it's not that great.
Every good midrange shaman deck already plays Neptulon.
Mobius and pet octopus
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There is nothing wrong with trying to make more archetypes available to warrior. In fact, I hope it happens for each class.
So, 2/5 isn't great stats but it does provide up to 10 direct hero damage from its text alone. We'll see. Making this card work will likely take a warrior deck in a new direction and that'll take careful consideration to really judge. Much more of a lets see how it does kind of evaluation.
Also, bouncing blades on this guy makes it a pyroblast to face. What if whirlwind, enrage, bouncing blades. Thats 5 damage from him, 2 damage from whirlwind, 7x2 from bouncing blades (if they all hit him of course) = 21 damage. I don't think it would be insane to see this guy show up in some midrange decks. But I don't see how he would benefit much in control warrior of course.
As for shaman, I think shaman players have been asking for something like this for a while. My first impression is that it can be quite good after those turns where you are pressured into playing 2 and sometimes 3 overload cards, although you must spend 2 mana to do so. So basically its only worth using if you unlock at least 3 overload crystals so the utility of this card is only worth using over crackle in those type of situations.
On the other hand, you can now use overload cards more freely, even when you aren't pressured, with the knowledge that you can free them up next turn. So the tempo advantage of overload card's have increased, and in hearthstone that generally is a great thing. Lets say on turn 7 you cast lightning bolt, feral spirits, and lightning storm. Next turn you can lava shock and fire elemental to take out their ancient of lore or some other 5 hp minion.
So yeah, I am a fan of lava shock.
So, 2/5 isn't great stats but it does provide up to 10 direct hero damage from its text alone. We'll see. Making this card work will likely take a warrior deck in a new direction and that'll take careful consideration to really judge. Much more of a lets see how it does kind of evaluation.
Also, bouncing blades on this guy makes it a pyroblast to face. What if whirlwind, enrage, bouncing blades. Thats 5 damage from him, 2 damage from whirlwind, 7x2 from bouncing blades (if they all hit him of course) = 21 damage. I don't think it would be insane to see this guy show up in some midrange decks. But I don't see how he would benefit much in control warrior of course.
As for shaman, I think shaman players have been asking for something like this for a while. My first impression is that it can be quite good after those turns where you are pressured into playing 2 and sometimes 3 overload cards, although you must spend 2 mana to do so. So basically its only worth using if you unlock at least 3 overload crystals so the utility of this card is only worth using over crackle in those type of situations.
On the other hand, you can now use overload cards more freely, even when you aren't pressured, with the knowledge that you can free them up next turn. So the tempo advantage of overload card's have increased, and in hearthstone that generally is a great thing. Lets say on turn 7 you cast lightning bolt, feral spirits, and lightning storm. Next turn you can lava shock and fire elemental to take out their ancient of lore or some other 5 hp minion.
So yeah, I am a fan of lava shock.
IF the board is empty. The main value of burn is ignoring your opponent's board in order to close the game out. If you're playing against something like a mech mage, bouncing blade is not going to hit the flinger 5 times.
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Fixed1979
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I assumed it was the current turn, but not a bad question...if it actually unlocks "all" of the locked mana then it sounds like all of the locks would break (current turn and next turn), which would be insane.
EDIT: Ben Brode just confirmed it's both current turn and next turn.
Mobius and pet octopus
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I think if you find yourself in this type of situation as a burn warrior or aggro warrior, you're probably going to do this and you're going to be okay with it. Because that 10 damage puts them into range of mortal strike, weapon smacks, and all the other burn and charge cards you are running.
You're thinking like a midrange/control that is maximizing damage output over the long term, whereas a burn warrior is maximizing damage every turn.
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But sure, you're right. You won't often find yourself with an empty board. But when it does happen its pretty good. I'd even even with several minions on board you still might find yourself getting a lot of value out of this kind of combo. At the very least I mean to say it is something to consider as a burn warrior.
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Mobius and pet octopus
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I thought about that, but I would imagine it doesn't trigger when it hits an immune minion because of really just precedence in other cards, even divine shield. When immune it pops up as a 0, so I'd say it isn't taking damage just for that reason.
But it would trigger it down to 1 hp.
That is flat out insane. The potential to unlock 5 or more mana will be easy.
So we have one class card as a common and two of them as rares, and there hasn't been any imbalance in card rarity between classes so far, all classes have the same amount of commons/rares/etc, so I wonder if we're getting two cards per class in this expansion.
That'd would 13 cards to be neutral, and with the 5 legendaries basically guaranteed to be neutral, only 8 regular neutral cards seems like a pretty small amount.
That'd would 13 cards to be neutral, and with the 5 legendaries basically guaranteed to be neutral, only 8 regular neutral cards seems like a pretty small amount.
RumblingRosco
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Lava Shock just went from "a good card" to "auto-include if you have Overload cards" as far as I'm concerned.
That's insane, I was assuming it was current turn only
I believe if bouncing blade can't damage a minion (such as being at 1hp with commanding shout active), then that minion is no longer a valid target for bouncing blade.
Mobius and pet octopus
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What did ben brode clarify?
I am guessing he said it removes all current turn overload and next?
I just assumed this was true.
Yup. Turns 4-6 will never be the same for Shamans.
Mobius and pet octopus
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Think of lava shock like an innervate/preparation type card. Except you are gaining potentially much more mana than innervate and preparation, with the exception it only works on overload cards. But you can use it to effect the overload of multiple turns as well. And it deals 2 damage. And you only really gain mana when you unload at least 3 overload crystals.
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Lets imagine that you somehow manage to overload for 10 mana the next turn with 2 mana to spare your current turn. Lava shock and you just generated 8 mana and dealt 2 damage for 2 mana.
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Lets imagine that you somehow manage to overload for 10 mana the next turn with 2 mana to spare your current turn. Lava shock and you just generated 8 mana and dealt 2 damage for 2 mana.
This seems to be true, and in addition, Frothing Berserker doesn't gain damage off minions that don't take damage because of Commanding Shout, so Axe Flinger presumably works the same way.
Super Nothing
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My only concern with Lava Shock is that you're going to be able to burn through a lot more cards. You're going to need some serious card draw, more than just 2X Azure Drakes. What are some good card draw options for Shamans?
Mobius and pet octopus
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Mana tide totem is seriously underrated as a card draw mechanic. I don't think shaman has a problem with card draw frankly.
He has that totem that draws cards. Far Sight is a decent deck thiner. Toss in some loot horders and maybe Bloodmage, on top of the Drakes, maybe you would have a big enough draw engine. Then you just have to get over the issue of a somewhat weak early game, but you could maybe use Annoy-o-Trons and Feral Spirits to stall the game.
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