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Hearthstone |OT3| Preparing for the Ball of Spiders Meta
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toddhunter
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I'd go double zap o-matictoddhunter
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Flizzzipper
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Played some stupid face priest deck from hearthpwn to get my priest quest done. Won four in a row, much laughter every time.
Gonna do another arena run if anyone's interested - http://twitch.tv/danj2k
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
A tip for you: don't play Cult Master unless you can get card draws off of it. A 4 mana 4/2 is a crappy minion. A handful of times I saw you play a Cult Master either on an empty board or just pass the turn without attacking with any minions. You need to wait to play Cult Master until a turn where you are planning on trading in 1-2 of your own minions so you can get card draw.
I faced one that looked like it was just a freeze stall deck to try and win via Pyro. I beat it with the starter Druid deck.
Freeze Mage.
In other news I have figured out a Dragon Paladin deck that is probably going to be the one that gets played at a reasonably well. It's basically a Mid game Tempo oriented Paladin Dragon deck with Solemn Vigils and Volcanic Drakes as the core components of the deck.
It will feature no late game dragons because I feel it runs counter to the strategy of this deck. Late game dragons give you NO tempo advantage on the turn they are played. The only Legendaries it features are Dr Balanced and Loatheb (Tirion if you want to include it is fine as well).
What class and what's your 2 drop? If you have a good enough play at turn 2 then it's fine to play double Zombie Chow as long as you KNOW its aggro that's incoming.
Anyway here's the Tempo Dragon Paladin deck I am talking about that I have made (minus Tirion because I don't hate it, the rest of the cards I do have).
Here's the reasoning behind the cards:
2x Solemn Vigils, 2x Volcanic Drakes, 2x Corruptors, 2x Muster for Battle: These cards offer very high tempo swings. There are 2x of Vigils and Drakes because you can potentially play all 4 of them in one turn for a huge play! Corruptor you can play one of but it fits well into the theme of the deck. Muster for Battle enables these plays so its also a core component of this deck. I have played around with the deck and its very easy to get 0 cost Vigils or sub 2 cost Drakes.
2x Consecrates, 2x Truesilvers, 2x Aldors, 1x Equality : Staple Paladin cards for control. 2x Consecrates are a must as they enable the big tempo plays. 1x Equality is enough in this from experience.
2x Azure Drake, 2x Dragon Consorts : In all honesty if there were better dragons I would play something else, Drake is alright as it buffs up your Consecrates but Consorts really are there to get the Drakes or another Consort out fast for big tempo plays. Basically the use of Consort is that instead of getting out one late game dragon out early you are aiming to get two mid sized dragons out one turn (or 3). Azure Drake also buffs up Consecrates to enable the tempo plays.
2x Technicians, 2x Shielded Bots, 1x Zombie Chow: These are the best cards for their mana value and thus give you powerful early plays. You can put in 2x Zombie Chow if you want by cutting a Corruptor.
1x Knife Juggler: I basically wanted another 2 drop in this deck and Knife Juggler was obvious with an Equality, 2x Musters and Volcanic Drake.
1x of Defender of Argus, Belcher and Tirion: I wanted at least 3 taunts in this deck to hold off the aggression. I definitely wanted something at 4 curve and with 2x Muster for Battles, DoA was an easy choice especially with Minibots and Technicians in the deck. Belcher is also amazing and so is Tirion though they come a bit later. The reason there is one Belcher because the 5 drop is already very heavy in this deck though it should be noted that Solemn Vigil is VERY RARELY a 5 drop, at worst it's usually a 3 drop.
1x Antique Healbot: I basically needed at least one big heal to get out of Hunter lethal ranges. Lay of Hands is too slow for this purpose and I already have enough card draw in this deck. The only problem I have with Healbot is that it's a 5 drop and there are like 7 other 5 drops in this deck already.
Dr Balanced: Do you have to ask? LMAO!
Cards that can be placed in this deck if you cut something:
*Quartermaster : Good choice especially to ensure that Grim Patron decks don't demolish or feed off of your 1/1s and you already have 2x Muster for Battles. Problem is that Quartermaster is already competing for many other 5 drops in this deck.
*A second DoA instead of Belcher. Smooth out the curve a bit yet still have the extra taunt.
*BGH, MCT. Both valid tech options depending on the meta.
*Loatheb. Yet another godly 5 drop that you need to make room for.
*Emperor Thaurissan. For this deck it's OK but not that essential to be honest.
*Owl for that clutch silence. Definitely one in there.
As you can see there are no late game dragons in this deck and here's why:
*Most dragons you can ramp out by turn 7 or in Chromaggus' case turn 6. None of these cards actually do anything on the turn they are played except Alex and maybe Nef if he gets like a 0/1 drop spell. In many cases I would just rather play Dr Balanced instead OR just wait one turn and play Tirion.
*The late dragons don't offer any tempo on the turn they are played (like Dr Balanced) or offer any protection (like Tirion). Thus they don't fit into the theme of the decks.
ah ok I don't have Tirion myself since I only play Face Paly
but I thought I heard Tirion is literally best card in entire game and everyone crafts it first??
Tirion is the best card for Paladin so if you play Paladin its the best card to get.
Best card in the entire game is Dr Balanced.
He probably is, but I've never crafted him because I play all classess so neutrals have more value for me. If I do ever craft a class legendary it will probably be Tirion.
ah ok makes sense
I must have mis-heard it then... probably said best class legendary of all, like you guys said, but not counting neutrals
He was just quoting what that one Hearthstone arena site has as the rating for Tirion (which is 100, highest possible).
It's a very insignificant thing because A) You are not always going to be playing as Paladin in Arena B) You aren't always going to get a Legendary in arena playing Paladin C) You aren't always going to get the option to pick Tirion among your 3 Legendaries D) You aren't always going to have to make the choice of choosing Tirion over Dr Balanced.
Even in the RARE chance that you get offered a Dr Balanced vs Tirion.. it isn't really as simple as "Tirion is clearly better than Dr Balanced, I will pick it". Tirion still gets crushed by Polymorphy/Hex/Silences even in Arena and Dr Balanced can still wreck even if he is hit by those cards. So Tirion being better than Dr is a matter of opinion for Arena and even if one if better than the other we are talking about the difference between 96 and 100 here.
In Constructed it doesn't matter because most Paladin decks use BOTH Tirion AND Dr Balanced. On the other hand a ton other classes/decks use Dr Balanced. Even the new modified Zoolock runs Dr Balanced now (that's ranked #2 best deck on ladder I believe after Grim Patron according to TL).
Is there a better alternative that uses alexstrasa?
ok thx
Freeze mage and control warrior are the two decks that uses alexstrazsa, pretty much.
TheChewyWaffles
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I love playing against mill decks as a midrange warlock. It's like they're just helping me with my own gameplan - massive card draw with cheap, valuable minions.
LMAO I hate how "Demonlock" and "Zoolock" is combined to make this new but better hybrid Zoolock deck which is called "Midrange" when it is really just a modified Zoolock with Void Terrors and Malganis/Dr Balanced...
Servbot #42
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God i was playing vs a dragon paladin and he gave me two dust devils thanks to hungry dragon, hypersheep was right that card does suck.
That's because there are like 3-4 different Warlock decks on ladder. Incidentally one of the big counters to Zoolock is in fact Handlock which is also making rounds on Ladder.
I've never tried handlock before, is it pretty easy (low cost) to make that deck??
Good story and all, but you beat a Priest as an oil rogue. That's like a warrior spamming "greetings" when he beats a freeze mage -- the matchup is already hugely stacked in your favor to begin with.
No, holy crap. It's like every giant and Jaraxxus.
Very much no. Lots of legendary and epic cards, including class specific ones.
TheChewyWaffles
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Which has jack shit to do with my comment.
I know, I was just saying that as an aside. It was just me expressing a pet peeve.
No its very costly and its among the slowest/hardest decks to play.
You need 4 Giants (all Epics), a bunch of Legendaries (Dr B, Sylvanas, Jaraxxus, Malganis, maybe Rag) and Rares (DoA, Twilight Drake, Shadowflame etc).
TheChewyWaffles
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Sorry, I took it the wrong way. My fault.
It should work, not sure why it isn't. Doesn't matter if he's on phone while you're on PC.
hmmmm
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