toddhunter
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It is doing pretty well too. Like he said earlier, summoning stone would seem to make it even better, but that isn't what he is testing today.
I'm going to try it with the stone and confessor.
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It is doing pretty well too. Like he said earlier, summoning stone would seem to make it even better, but that isn't what he is testing today.
I'm going to try it with the stone and confessor.
Between 2 musters, 5 secrets, 1 divine favor, 2 BoKs and 1 consecration, there will be plenty of ways for my secrets murloc pally to neutralize that "easy counter".
The combo murloc midrange pally lists on reddit still run 2 muster, 1 solemn virgil, 2 consecration, 2 hammer of wraths and 1 lay on hands. They also run double Anyfin.
Unless you plan on playing double counterspells without scientists and are able to draw + play them right before the Anyfin turn, I have bad news for you...
Redemption on a Bluegill on turn 3, so technically 3 had died that game. Actually got a bit lucky, if I had pulled the second Grimscale instead of a Bluegil or Murkeye, I would have likely lost. If my math is right, it was a 1/4 chance of getting all the chargers from Anyfin.
This is currently the deck I'm trying with it, but I'm not sure its good enough for higher ranks. Plus, its usually slow, making it poor for ladder:
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
I think it is a bad idea to test out the strength of a card in a bad deck. The matches I saw he won because rank 15 moron plays. This druid had 3-4 minions on board with twice over lethal and yet he played 2-3 more minions and even chose to cat form instead of bear form. And then the druid still almost won despite lightbomb taking out 6 minions.
Then you got this priest playing NSC against another priest late game... gotta be kidding me. This is why you don't rely on "tests" at low rank. Players really make so many mistakes, even kripp.
It gets played up to about rank 20 because it's a basic card. After that it vanishes and it's all meta decks.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
That's another thing, I haven't been at rank 19 or below in almost a year, lol. Funny how half or more of the cards straight up disappear.
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
Guess what happens if you vanish dr. boom + 2 boom bots but your opponent's hand has only 2 spaces so 1 minion dies. Guess what minion dies.
One boom bot dies.
My F2P account tops out around 18-17, and that's only because I have enough experience with the game to understand the decks I'm playing against. (I never push ladder hard.. I prefer to be in the teens where I can get dailies done more easily.) You really are pretty fucked as a new player.
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
The order they "hit" the board, since not all minions are technically played which means entering the field from hand.
Whatever the case, it isn't from left to right.
Odd, I feel a F2P account should be able to get to rank 15 pretty easily if they know what they are doing. Maybe I'm underestimating how much the lack of Adventures and dust will matter. Actually, I guess that lack of Nax would be huge, looking at the "cheap" decks I have, most of them use Nax stuff pretty heavily.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
Depends what deck it is and how "f2p" it actually is. I see people saying both f2p as just basics and f2p as no money being spent.
WesternHeretic
Member
I got to 10 on my f2p account but i did it at the end of the month. That account can't compete at all the first 15 days of the month.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
Naxx didn't even go on sale for Black Friday/Cyber Monday and every other Blizzard game had a sale. No idea what their thought process is there.
Has Hearthstone ever had a sale?
The thought process is that they like money and have absolutely zero financial reason to discount anything in Hearthstone right now.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
Don't think so.
Usually f2p games make some sort of effort to ease new players in and not "Gee son, I hope you feel like grinding 10,000 gold for three adventures and three different card packs"
irfaanator
Banned
these fucking aggro decks that are coming out now man. shit is super dumb. I'm at 15 health by turn 4
Brought out my old Mech Mage deck and replaced my old tech cards with Gorillabots. It actually works pretty well. Got a Blingtron last game to give me a weapon to get lethal. Got Enhanc-o mechano one game which ended up giving everything windfury. Grabbed Flame Leviathan one game, enemy Priest Entombed it and then drew it.
I do love Discover, and its usually not to hard to have a mech to proc the Gorrillabot. I wish it wasn't conditional, but then it would be OP with its stats.
I do love Discover, and its usually not to hard to have a mech to proc the Gorrillabot. I wish it wasn't conditional, but then it would be OP with its stats.
Rather than a sale they should go ahead and release a starter bundle for new players containing something like:
10 normal packs
10 GvG packs
10 TGT packs
1st wing of NAX
1st wing of BRM
Not that Blizzard has made any indication that they would do either in the near future. They seem more interested in making mechanical and structural changes to ease new players in to the game.
10 normal packs
10 GvG packs
10 TGT packs
1st wing of NAX
1st wing of BRM
Not that Blizzard has made any indication that they would do either in the near future. They seem more interested in making mechanical and structural changes to ease new players in to the game.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
That would be fine if the ladder wasn't so brutal to new players, which it still is.
Lol what do you mean "coming out now"?
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
Zoo is back after Patron died and Shaman is actually being played via a face deck so probably that
irfaanator
Banned
just feels more cancerous now. just now lost to anyfin doing like 40 dmg in one turn
That part of the structural change they've discussed. Separate ladders for new players.
That sounds like awful change. No need to seperate ladders, just change the way it works, as in not beeing a freaking grind and instead each rank you need to win a certain amount of games out of a set amount. If you loose x amount you drop down a rank. This way the best players will end up in legendary. And the f2p players will slowly be able to rank up.
And if you manage to win x amount of games you get your card back.
Yeah Anyfin is insane. Then again would not be Hearthstone if Paladin didnt get to have the best of the best. Best Arena class, The 2 top decks and even the best murloc cards.
Thank you Ben Brode for clearly showing you dont have a clue.
uhhh.... did he rush you down in the turns before he cast the anyfin? I'm seeing anyfin used in a combo capacity a lot but not in aggro decks so much.
Its pretty effective as a finisher if you do a aggro palla murloc.
irfaanator
Banned
no it was like a midrange pally with anyfin as the ender. I was playing control priest. The first anyfin wasnt a problem but obviously that just feeds into the 2nd one, so i got wrecked.
The aggro bs i was talking about was the new shaman nonsense
Well some are running a secrets/MC variants with boom and tirion (like the one I'm playing at the moment), so there's heavy tempo with the danger of a comeback OTK. :^)
toddhunter
Member
So murlocs beat freeze mage now? I'm not seeing it.
I absolutely agree with you on that one which I why I'm more supportive of the ranked tiers similar to the legend rank. When you reach a checkpoint (e.g. rank 5, 10, 15) you'll be unable to drop down below. Preferably they'll try to rework the entire rank system and come up with something that's actually enjoyable.
???
I said:
Freeze mage don't run counterspell, and they don't need to because Ice Block counters Anyfin OTK. The post of mine you quoted was obviously not talking about Freeze mage, because they don't run Counterspell (nor do they have the deck slot for it).
So this brings back the point. If you are playing some tempo decklist, you MIGHT run 1 counterspell. 2 counterspells will be too clunky (especially for tempo mage) and because you run mad scientists, you end up:
1) Diluting your chance of grabbing mirror entity via scientists even further, which is crucial for a tempo mage in some matchups
2) Will very likely hit one of their early game spells instead
1 Counterspell vs an average of 5-7 spells on most Anyfin decks and you are expecting that to be some kind of easy counter?
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
The counter is to never kill any murlocs ever.
Looking at my collection, TGT really was underwhelming. I have no desire to get more packs for it after the initial batch. I guess the issue is that both Inspire and Joust sort of fell flat, I don't think I ever see any Joust cards in constructed, and inspire cards are really rare too.
Also, the counter to Anyfin is to tech in shitty Murlocs. Just slot in some Raiders, Tinyfins, and Tidehunters, and when they play the card you will flood their board with low value non-aura Murlocs.
Also, the counter to Anyfin is to tech in shitty Murlocs. Just slot in some Raiders, Tinyfins, and Tidehunters, and when they play the card you will flood their board with low value non-aura Murlocs.
Watching Dog play Anyfin on stream, the counter is to Entomb their Murkeye so that you significantly weaken their OTK.
On the flipside it is a misplay to keep your murkeye alive vs a priest on turn 6+. He had an opportunity to suicide into and kill a Cabal (dragon priest) but chose to go face instead. He still won though, but I felt it was a huge mistake, especially when the exact same thing happened to him in a previous game.
toddhunter
Member
Yes? Murloc decks need a lot of things to go right to survive to a point where anyfin can be used + you need to draw and play the murlocs + they need to die.
It isn't like a faceless charge combo. As soon as you play that first murloc people will save counter spell for later. You have plenty of time.
And yes paladin could get the god draw and drop it on turn 10, but paladin has six different god draw paths right now.
Point is, there are counters.
Now entomb? Entomb is very legit. Against something like a highmane it is just game winning for a priest.
Ok, I think Entomb might be one of the most soul crushing cards in the game. The only thing that feels worse than getting one of your best minions entombed is getting THE MINION YOU ENTOMBED FROM THEM ENTOMBED BACK! BUT WORSE THAN THAT IS GETTING THE JARAXXUS THAT DROPPED FROM THEIR SNEED'S WHICH YOU TOOK WITH SHRINK/CABAL ENTOMBED SO YOU KNOW THAT YOUR LOSS IS NOW INEVITABLE!!! FUCK!!!!!!
I have the biggest boner right now.
Thank you for giving me something to look forward to.
So you're telling me that in your mage deck that runs Counterspell, you don't run Mad Scientists?
I mean, you do realize that having mad scientist bring out counterspell means it will more than likely absorb one of the paladin's early spells like consecration/muster and will therefore do nothing against Anyfin, right?
Or that running double counterspell is the equivalent of a midrange hunter that runs double flare?
Unless you're telling me that your mulligan strategy in a tempo mage deck vs a paladin (unlikely knowing which variant it is), is to fish for counterspell?
Anyfin is more proof that Charge is a fundamentally overpowered ability in Hearthstone. If you can combine charge with buffs, you will get people to put together massive burst dps decks.
Anyfin may actually be more balanced if it just summoned random murlocs. "For each Murloc that died this game, summons a random Murloc, up to 7." Would also synergize better with Murloc knight. But Anyfin does require you to put 6 to 8 cards in your deck to make it work. I think its just more annoying than strong, but its hard to tell right now.