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Hearthstone |OT8| Elise's Extremely Irresponsible Field Trip To Un'Goro
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Maybe a mill deck can outpace an aggro deck with something like this?
I shudder to think of it. I hope not.
You need a lot more than that. Giving aggro decks more cards is exactly how Mill decks get punished by aggro. They can utilized their hand better than you can.
I know, but I think intrepid reporter sounds more old-timey and fits the theme of the set better.
Maybe I'll demand Blizzard do a Designer Insights on this card since I find it slightly disappointing.
I faced a Mill Rogue as Zoolock yesterday. It was one of the easiest wins of my life.
Right, I'm aware of that. But maybe it's like the Fel Reaver effect, where you beat aggro by just creating this huge ass threat really early in the game and they can't deal with it. I dunno. Not saying this is a guarantee or anything. That gameplan could go very poorly.
Mobius and pet octopus
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It's definitely not a mill card... it's not an anything card. It's maybe an arena card, but probably a very mediocre one at best.
Well but what if you burn their 65565 copies of Jade Idol? #GotEm
Oh man, if people thought the Cwar mirror was boring, wait until we get Druid matches where the only cards left in the deck for each side is Jade Idol...
Mobius and pet octopus
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Those matches will end fairly quickly though. If you have a bigger idol, you trade. Then you play more and maintain your lead. Eventually you hit face with your board and you win.
This is a far cry from doing almost nothing the entire match and then playing golden monkey.
One side will probably have larger Jade Idols than the other, which would solve the problem quickly enough. But if equally sized Jade Idols get run into each other with no board advantage then it'll eventually turn into who can create lethal from a single minion first.
Yeah, Cwar mirrors went from my favorite match-up in the game to a garbage RNG fest thanks to Elise. Looking forward to that card rotating.
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thepotatoman
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Could Daring Report be used as a tech card instead of a mill card?
Like only play it after they have loot hoarders and acolyte of pains on board. That would make it a 4 mana 5/5 with further growth potential.
Like only play it after they have loot hoarders and acolyte of pains on board. That would make it a 4 mana 5/5 with further growth potential.
MrPing1000
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I'm a F2P player but I saved up the gold for LoE and Kara. Currently sitting on 1590 dust debating which neutral legendary to go for. I have Ysera and Alex. I guess it's a toss up between Sylvanas, Ragnaros, Leeroy and Thalnos.
Leaning towards Sylvanas despite how damn popular Rag is atm.
Leaning towards Sylvanas despite how damn popular Rag is atm.
https://www.reddit.com/r/hearthston..._said_about_the_rogue_class_2_months/dafbw9m/
it's just what we figured, a card for bad decks. So about that rogue weapon...
Worth nothing that iksar thought c'thun rogue is going to be strong and that Huckster, Yogg Saron and Xaril will carry rogue in standard according o their testing.. kek.
If his idea of scary is getting Blackpaw from Journey below to beat control decks, guess what it already happens with Anub'arak. If you're scared of prep, do something about prep instead of printing bad sets after bad sets.
iksarhs said:
it's just what we figured, a card for bad decks. So about that rogue weapon...
Worth nothing that iksar thought c'thun rogue is going to be strong and that Huckster, Yogg Saron and Xaril will carry rogue in standard according o their testing.. kek.
If his idea of scary is getting Blackpaw from Journey below to beat control decks, guess what it already happens with Anub'arak. If you're scared of prep, do something about prep instead of printing bad sets after bad sets.
Since Kharazan I feel the community really shapes where HS is headed, I know there is a hell lot of negativity of the community and tons of salt, but I'm not blinded by it and I see how the devs are really communicated with the audience, specially the core one, I wouldn't be surprised at all if rogue gets some incredible cards based only on this outcry, I've seen it proved with priest
Why even go that far? Not long ago, Shamans were in the "Shaman Basement", and Paladins were in a bad way not long before their ascendance.
It's not worse, it's different.
It's nit very good either unless they print something with a cheap and ridiculous battlecry.
Mobius and pet octopus
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So every card he mentions is problematic? Aya Blackhand was mentioned, must limit design space too!
"Cards like Prep and Shadowstep allow Rogues to start the Jade train earlier than most of the other classes and snowball it very quickly."
This somehow translates to "rogues get bad cards because prep".
Since when did execute stop or slow down warrior from getting strong removal? Since when did shield slam stop or slow down warrior from getting strong armor gain spells or minions?
People jump to conclusions.
If prep was is so problematic, why would they print counterfeit coin, which enables miracle rogue to play even faster more consistently?
Lets go back and look at what he actually said. The new card, like many, aren't designed for top competitive play. Other cards are. And they are confident that rogue will have a strong deck with jade golems and miracle rogue. One reason jade golem may be strong for rogue is due to strong cards like shadowstep and prep. Also aya is insane against control decks when you get it off journey below. They don't want rogue to have strong AOE or heals. Class identity and what not.
This is not really saying prep is a problematic card. He literally just mentioned it in passing.
The card could have had something unique about it though, beyond having the choice to play a 2 mana 2/3... it should have reduced the cost of the card bounced by 1 or something, or +1/+1.
"Cards like Prep and Shadowstep allow Rogues to start the Jade train earlier than most of the other classes and snowball it very quickly."
This somehow translates to "rogues get bad cards because prep".
Since when did execute stop or slow down warrior from getting strong removal? Since when did shield slam stop or slow down warrior from getting strong armor gain spells or minions?
People jump to conclusions.
If prep was is so problematic, why would they print counterfeit coin, which enables miracle rogue to play even faster more consistently?
Lets go back and look at what he actually said. The new card, like many, aren't designed for top competitive play. Other cards are. And they are confident that rogue will have a strong deck with jade golems and miracle rogue. One reason jade golem may be strong for rogue is due to strong cards like shadowstep and prep. Also aya is insane against control decks when you get it off journey below. They don't want rogue to have strong AOE or heals. Class identity and what not.
This is not really saying prep is a problematic card. He literally just mentioned it in passing.
The card could have had something unique about it though, beyond having the choice to play a 2 mana 2/3... it should have reduced the cost of the card bounced by 1 or something, or +1/+1.
I will believe this Jade Golem Rogue when I see it.
Just like Deathrattle Raptor Rogue, Steal Rogue, Cthun Rogue, Trick Rogue, Pirate Warrior, Midrange Rogue etc.
In the end Blizzard is going to cave in to public outcry and will give people what they want so we are just going to chill.
Just like Deathrattle Raptor Rogue, Steal Rogue, Cthun Rogue, Trick Rogue, Pirate Warrior, Midrange Rogue etc.
In the end Blizzard is going to cave in to public outcry and will give people what they want so we are just going to chill.
oh I say that only because I'm very new to the game, to all blizzard in fact, Kharazan was the first expansion I fully witnessed since I only started on the beginning of Whispers of The Old Gods and the standard format
The issue is in the basic/classic sets. Until they balance the original sets, they're always going to have this problem in standard where Priest, Paladin, Rogue, and Shaman struggle for relevancy and they have to print OP shit on cycle to keep them relevant. They never should have made those sets unchangeably evergeen.
Mobius and pet octopus
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Rogue's classic set largely only supports one play style. It's not bad. We have a ton of decks built out of the classic set. Much more than people are willing to admit, just because many of them aren't popular or played competitively.
If anything, the criticism of rogue post-classic post-blade flurry nerf is that they focus too much of supporting that set and not enough on supporting the other ideas they've put in. But I think this criticism is only true when it comes to competitive decks.
I actually do think c'thun rogue is a bit better than people give it credit for. And maybe even burgle rogue gets a little bit more consistency out of the new leg to carve out a niche in the meta. It's really quite difficult to play control against burgle rogue btw. And I think n'zoth rogue is actually pretty good and I think it'll only be bolstered by the new set with mistress of mixtures, the new 2 drop, and aya.
If anything is holding rogue back from having more competitive decks it's the shaman meta. I think with blade flurry, rogue would be better positioned with a lot more decks than currently. Without it, they'll have to wait for a meta that isn't about creating a wide board of high health minions.
If anything, the criticism of rogue post-classic post-blade flurry nerf is that they focus too much of supporting that set and not enough on supporting the other ideas they've put in. But I think this criticism is only true when it comes to competitive decks.
I actually do think c'thun rogue is a bit better than people give it credit for. And maybe even burgle rogue gets a little bit more consistency out of the new leg to carve out a niche in the meta. It's really quite difficult to play control against burgle rogue btw. And I think n'zoth rogue is actually pretty good and I think it'll only be bolstered by the new set with mistress of mixtures, the new 2 drop, and aya.
If anything is holding rogue back from having more competitive decks it's the shaman meta. I think with blade flurry, rogue would be better positioned with a lot more decks than currently. Without it, they'll have to wait for a meta that isn't about creating a wide board of high health minions.
Hopefully we'll see more exciting cards announced for rogue. Seeing some decent additions for maly rogue tho
nice!
nice!
Miracle, basically. Rogue will always be miracle.
oil rogue existed because we had so many good neutral minions to play in rogue.
belcher and shredders were disgusting in that deck, everyone just remembers secret paly because it was far more popular. those sticky guys with oil were deadly. Then there was loatheb, which also meant your opponent is dead next turn. You had to show so much respect to rogue's board, it was like a whole different game.
Those minions were so good that Tomb Pillager wasn't actually played much when it came out and people played bad cards like sprint over gadgetzan because it worked out better overall with everyone having loatheb in their deck.
Those cards were so strong that there was no point in playing gadgetzan but without those it's back to best deals forever.
belcher and shredders were disgusting in that deck, everyone just remembers secret paly because it was far more popular. those sticky guys with oil were deadly. Then there was loatheb, which also meant your opponent is dead next turn. You had to show so much respect to rogue's board, it was like a whole different game.
Those minions were so good that Tomb Pillager wasn't actually played much when it came out and people played bad cards like sprint over gadgetzan because it worked out better overall with everyone having loatheb in their deck.
Those cards were so strong that there was no point in playing gadgetzan but without those it's back to best deals forever.
Mobius and pet octopus
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Gadgetzan at 6 mana without coin or prep is pretty bad. Before pillager came out it just wasn't consistent enough. I still think prep + sprint is good but if you're going to have coins in the deck from pillager, you might as well as run gadgetzan. Sprint + prep is actually kinda good in maly rogue since you don't have to use your spells to cycle.
Mobius and pet octopus
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It's comparable to shuriken I suppose. So it's probably not bad. Follow up to tunnel trogg or totem golem.
I think rogue is best positioned for jade golem after seeing (presumably) all the jade golem cards. They're the best at bouncing and even journey below can get you an aya. Hell, even their 2 drop can be copied by unearthed raptor. I think druid could work, but I think it's just gonna be too slow like c'thun druid.
I think rogue is best positioned for jade golem after seeing (presumably) all the jade golem cards. They're the best at bouncing and even journey below can get you an aya. Hell, even their 2 drop can be copied by unearthed raptor. I think druid could work, but I think it's just gonna be too slow like c'thun druid.
Druid will be the best in the sense that all you really need is Jade Idol. Play it in any deck you want.
Rogue seems to be the best at the intended Jade Golem ramp. Deathrattle, Bounceback, Gang Up. Cheap Golem cost cards. This is likely the way Blizz wants a class to play, to get the value out of the mechanic.
Shaman feels like the Warrior for Grimy Goons. You don't get the AoE +1/+1 of Paladin or the strongest benefits like Hunter. You've got some slapstick gimmick potential.
Rogue seems to be the best at the intended Jade Golem ramp. Deathrattle, Bounceback, Gang Up. Cheap Golem cost cards. This is likely the way Blizz wants a class to play, to get the value out of the mechanic.
Shaman feels like the Warrior for Grimy Goons. You don't get the AoE +1/+1 of Paladin or the strongest benefits like Hunter. You've got some slapstick gimmick potential.
Druid is easiest one to see that it can be very good. All it takes is to play Jade Idol in current spell druid build and suddenly you have a end game plan if all fails against warrior and things like that. You can just get it from Rave Idol even. You don't have to play any of the janky cards. I think Raven Idol is a lot stronger after this set, druid got a whole bunch of ramp cards this set, you probably should raven idol on turn 1 now, chances are high you get some kind of ramp.
One could build a miracle druid deck that plays like the gang up rogue with arcane giants, it could be much better than that deck.
One could build a miracle druid deck that plays like the gang up rogue with arcane giants, it could be much better than that deck.
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