All of the Jade Golem cards look bad when you read them as giving you a 1/1. That's just going to be a feature of the deck. You're going to have poor tempo in the early game in order to get crazy stuff later.
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All of the Jade Golem cards look bad when you read them as giving you a 1/1. That's just going to be a feature of the deck. You're going to have poor tempo in the early game in order to get crazy stuff later.
BananasWithGuns
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Yeah, can't imagine that Shaman weapon seeing a whole lot of play. 2 attack just isn't enough.
Then again Jade Golem decks are near impossible to predict at this point so who knows.
Then again Jade Golem decks are near impossible to predict at this point so who knows.
I'm looking forward to that first week when everyone plays some kind of Reno deck and Jade decks seem strong, then people realize that some face deck like pirate warrior, beats all of those most of the time and we're back to where we were by week 3 , just playing bunch of midrange decks, turns out all rounders are always the best at this game.
Mobius and pet octopus
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Why do people think jade idol just works in any druid list? That's... a dead card most of the time. It doesn't do anything for you the turn you play it and it puts more dead cards into your next draws.
That you might include it to help win fatigue games is hurting every game that doesn't go to fatigue, which will be the vast majority of games. And even then it's not even a guaranteed win because your opponent can just out value you easier since you included a card that does nothing for you until the end of the game.
I doubt it'll be good even in an auctioneer deck designed to run you into fatigue, but I guess people might try.
That you might include it to help win fatigue games is hurting every game that doesn't go to fatigue, which will be the vast majority of games. And even then it's not even a guaranteed win because your opponent can just out value you easier since you included a card that does nothing for you until the end of the game.
I doubt it'll be good even in an auctioneer deck designed to run you into fatigue, but I guess people might try.
I since day 1 of gadgetzan reveal has on record saying Patches might've the most broken card in game
so..
I think if you're going to play the Jade Golem stuff you run it and don't run Spirit Claws. You need every Golem generator possible, I suspect.
^ he gets it
EDIT: the only time I could see someone playing it is with fandral + card draw on the same turn. Even then, not worth it.
Mobius and pet octopus
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50/50 it's the best card or worst card, only two possible outcomes /s
Familienoberhauptvogel
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wow this card makes moroes still unplayable.
Rouge is fucked.
TRICK ROGUE
Familienoberhauptvogel
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don't plan with low drop legs being on curve. It works for expensive ones because at the time you're already through at least more than a third of your deck.
I forgot about that card, that's actually not bad at all if you manage it. Hell, Moroes is something too as a 3 drop. If it lives a turn and you buff with this... it's still not very good.
I don't know how many minions with stealth you can play in rogue, but if there was a curve deck with enough good stealth minions, that card isn't bad. It's just we don't have that.
Best target for it is silent knight actually.
They're pushing a curve tempo stealth deck, I think it's fine, you need much stronger cards though, if the 4/4 had taunt for example it would be pretty interesting. I don't see this landing on target consistently enough and even then it's still weaker than houndmaster. Hunter's beasts are much better than stealth minions but you get to initiate the trades, that's valuable, but I don't think it's good enough.
I don't know how many minions with stealth you can play in rogue, but if there was a curve deck with enough good stealth minions, that card isn't bad. It's just we don't have that.
Best target for it is silent knight actually.
They're pushing a curve tempo stealth deck, I think it's fine, you need much stronger cards though, if the 4/4 had taunt for example it would be pretty interesting. I don't see this landing on target consistently enough and even then it's still weaker than houndmaster. Hunter's beasts are much better than stealth minions but you get to initiate the trades, that's valuable, but I don't think it's good enough.
Karsticles
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That card could be good with some more targets.
They need to have cards that do something with stealth, best example is beast druid. The quality of minions in beast druid is quite good and then you have cards like mark, savage roar, warden and curator. That took a looong time to reach this point. This is probably what they intend to do, it's unlikely it will be a thing this set.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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when a minion with stealth attacks it gains stealth until next turn, for the most unfun card imaginable.
Karsticles
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Love Cabalist's Tome. It has a strong tendency to give me just what I need, and even when I don't, it makes it impossible for my opponent to play around my deck.
There's that 2/6 Shaman got...
Don't forget Paladin the Murloc class...or is that Shaman?
Hell no.
BananasWithGuns
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That new Rogue card is so damn niche it's mind blowing.
I guess maybe it helps out Shaku and possibly Moroes (I doubt it), I'm not sure. It's a weird card.
I guess maybe it helps out Shaku and possibly Moroes (I doubt it), I'm not sure. It's a weird card.
Let n be the number of golems played in a game
then the total number of stats by all golems is
n(n+1)/2
and the mean value of a golem is (n+1)/2
The thing is, SOMETHING has to play the first golem, or the second golem. You can't start with 3/3 and up
Quick Start, 1 mana Rogue Spell. Increase your Jade Golem Counter by 2, summon a Jade Golem.
Well, they have a spell that summons a golem.
In any case, golems and rogues are a bad combination, since they are super slow and as a rogue the time is not on your side.
The only jade deck that might work is druid since they have ramp, taunts and healing.
Rogues play it slower than aggro, both Malygos and Burgle versions. Even the Nzoth rogue is pretty slow.
Hey guys, remember Windfury? Guys? Guys...?
Of course we, there is a new minion with WF in this set!
Battlecry: Give your Jade Golems Windfury on the 5th Night of September Under a Full-Moon when your deck contains no duplicates or plumbuses.
Not all of this is accurate. Charge is actually more of a Warrior thing than a Hunter thing, as it is a Warrior ability in WoW.
Rogue is also sort of a poison class, even though they've only introduced two minions with that ability.
Shaman is a Windfury class.
But everybody has a plumbus in their deck.
Portugeezer
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It's a good minion, similar to Houndmaster except even easier to activate due to stealth.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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name a 2nd stealth minion that's being played right now.
Y'all need to stop thinking of these cards in terms of how they can be slotted into current decks. A lot of stealth minions don't get played right now, because there's not a lot of reason to play them. If Blizz adds more reason to play them, they will be played.
This is the same reason why y'all were like, "meh spirit claws aren't that good, shaman has so many better options"
This is the same reason why y'all were like, "meh spirit claws aren't that good, shaman has so many better options"
Familienoberhauptvogel
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I just got a chuckle out of the comment since having a beast is a byproduct for hunter but having a stealther is a conscious deckbuilding decision and I'd argue concession.
I completely misevaluated Spirit Claws though, and with misevaluated I mean actually forgot the card.
I completely misevaluated Spirit Claws though, and with misevaluated I mean actually forgot the card.
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