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Heroes of the Storm |OT3| Chromiehounds

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KevMan1815

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scoobs said:
I feel like everyone except me thinks they're better than they really are. I am convinced I suck, and I'm surprised when I do well lol. I really couldn't tell you how I got my MMR so high, probably had a lot to do with new Tassadar rework week.
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Nope. I also think I suck. But I'm pretty sure my MMR shows it. I don't think I've ever tried to check mine though. When I've placed in the past I'm usually in Gold somewhere. My friend I play with always gets mad because I tell him I'm holding him back (he is way better than me, but only plays with me) and says I'm better than I give myself credit. I wuss out and play support usually so I don't mess up in team fights, etc. I play a pretty mean Morales (who doesn't?). Trying to branch out to more assassins, but it always feels like other people play them so well. Still a great game though and I enjoy it a ton. I just recognize I'm a bad casual ;)
 
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brian!

Member
I think if there were stats for things I type in-game it'd be listed: 1. 4v5 care, 2. Woops i fukked up

If i had to guess i'd say that most ppl are less likely to think they're hot shit and more likely to think their teammates are shit, kind of like a "yeah im not great, but my team is awful" style of thinking.
 
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Alur

Member
scoobs said:
I feel like everyone except me thinks they're better than they really are. I am convinced I suck, and I'm surprised when I do well lol. I really couldn't tell you how I got my MMR so high, probably had a lot to do with new Tassadar rework week.
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Well, you are also the same dude who also brags about his number of MVP's and tends to be pretty "this is the facts deal with it" about everything, so it's hard to tell when you're joking or serious about how good or bad anything or anyone is for me lol

I think most GAF folks I've ever seen in game recognize where they are. Even if they are diamond or better, they know the gap between them being in the top 10% versus the actual pros in the top 1% of the 1% is like the gap between bronze league and diamond all over again. Lots of stuff to work on and learn still. Lots of heroes to learn the nuances of, and improvement on awareness and rotation. Particularly rotation which is a weak part of everyone that plays with us. Actual pro level players are just an entirely different level of understanding and play versus plebs like us.

kirblar said:
Spider vs Wall is totally map dependent, mostly due to which L4 talent you're going to end up going with.
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I'm not sure there is a real choice at 4. I think it's a bit of a trap tier. Spider heal is inferior to the wave clear heal, and the other talent does make you more tanky but if you're taking Superstition (which you should most of the time) it's unnecessary. Blood Ritual restores your trait to pre-nerf/rework functions, so it's a no brainer really IMO. Maybe you want the Spider heal on BOE for immortals?

Kioshen said:
What about this guide from horsepants. Do you agree, disagree, laugh ... anything ? It goes in a complete opposite direction than what you've observed so far from what I can tell.
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HORSEPANTS main build you linked is exactly what I laid out on the last page, with the exception of the 16 talent. His point on the 16 talent makes sense if you can maintain your health (and the Blood Ritual + Superstition help you do that). If his math is correct then he's right on damage over time, but I'd have to try it and see. I mainly prefer the Ring of Poison for what it can do Siege wise in bursting down a Keep/Core. If he's right on numbers Spiders would outdo it over time easily in that regard too, I guess.

What did you think in his guide was the opposite direction of what I wrote? The thoughts on the 20 tier? He's right, like I said, it's super strong, but Nazeebo is just super strong period at that point. If you made it that far you've got a 65-70% chance to win regardless of which you take and that was my point. It's more zeeb is OP late game than Vile Infection is broken late game.
 
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kirblar

Member
You definitely want Spider Heal on BoE, and likely Braxis. You need it in any map where you're teamfighting for extended periods out of lane. You could make an argument for it on TL CH as well.
 
scoobs

scoobs

Member
At no point have I bragged about my number of MVPs. I posted screenshots of my MVPs on like 3 occasions before I realized how insanely lame it was to do so. You'll notice that doesn't happen anymore.

As for the other stuff... I do have an extremely sarcastic personality that perhaps doesn't come across very well over the internet. Any time you see me talking shit, or talking myself up, its 99.99% sarcasm.

Although you gotta check out this dank Tychus game!!
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And I disagree on the spider heal, that heal it gives is so freaking weak. You get way more value out of running to a lane to clear wave with blood ritual. And I'm leaning towards going into Thing of the Deep full-time now that I read that HORSEPANTS guide again... he's so right about just about everything he says (memes aside)
 
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Kioshen

Member
Alur said:
HORSEPANTS main build you linked is exactly what I laid out on the last page, with the exception of the 16 talent. His point on the 16 talent makes sense if you can maintain your health (and the Blood Ritual + Superstition help you do that). If his math is correct then he's right on damage over time, but I'd have to try it and see. I mainly prefer the Ring of Poison for what it can do Siege wise in bursting down a Keep/Core. If he's right on numbers Spiders would outdo it over time easily in that regard too, I guess.

What did you think in his guide was the opposite direction of what I wrote? The thoughts on the 20 tier? He's right, like I said, it's super strong, but Nazeebo is just super strong period at that point. If you made it that far you've got a 65-70% chance to win regardless of which you take and that was my point. It's more zeeb is OP late game than Vile Infection is broken late game.
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I read your points a little bit too fast. I misunderstood a couple of points because of that so forget what I said but I wanted you to at least take a look at what was recently written about nazeebro.
 
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Maledict

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Btw, I checked and the old trait talent was very inferior to the new Blood Ritual at 4. The old trait was a restore over time, that didn't stack, so you wouldn't get full benefit from clearing a wave. The new talent being an instant restore is a huge improvement.
 
scoobs

scoobs

Member
Maledict said:
Btw, I checked and the old trait talent was very inferior to the new Blood Ritual at 4. The old trait was a restore over time, that didn't stack, so you wouldn't get full benefit from clearing a wave. The new talent veined an instant restore is a huge improvement.
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Ya it feels more powerful than what I remember the old trait being for sure. I honestly have a hard time playing without Blood Ritual now.
 
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Alur

Member
kirblar said:
You definitely want Spider Heal on BoE, and likely Braxis. You need it in any map where you're teamfighting for extended periods out of lane. You could make an argument for it on TL CH as well.
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I dunno about Braxxis. Maybe if your fights lasted that long, but I can't see the HP it provides being worth what really makes Blood Ritual better there IMO: from level 4 on you can't be pushed out of the lane or pushed away from the beacon because you are sustained by every wave. Testing Hexed Crawlers out in Try Mode at level 20 the build I suggested (but including HORSEPANTS/scoobs choice at 16), you are getting a 29x3x3 health from it then. That's only 261 health at level 20, and obviously less at lower levels (17x3x3 at level 7 for 153 health). I guess you could argue it provides better early game than late game, but honestly either is not really any kind of notable difference versus the guaranteed 14% HP plus mana from the wave clear for Braxxis. You even get regen from non wave minions too (ie: the zerg obj), just not stacks.

What is TL CH? team league Cursed Hollow?

Maledict said:
Btw, I checked and the old trait talent was very inferior to the new Blood Ritual at 4. The old trait was a restore over time, that didn't stack, so you wouldn't get full benefit from clearing a wave. The new talent veined an instant restore is a huge improvement.
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That's interesting. I remember it healing, didn't remember it being a HoT. That makes it even more of a must pick IMO.
 
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kirblar

Member
Yeah, TL CH. In HL you'll want the lane pressure, but since he's such an obnoxious poke monster on that map you might as well go all-in on it if the game's going long.
 
scoobs

scoobs

Member
I just don't see the value with that talent, the heal is sooooo small.

Anyone else thinking they'll play some tonight?
 
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Alur

Member
I've only watched like two and he loses his train of thought too much for me to watch more so I couldn't tell you.
 
scoobs

scoobs

Member
It's like I'm killing an endless army of robo Dehakas

Garrett from ITN mentioned big personal decision he made that we will "hear about soon" at the beginning of the latest pod. Hoping he's stepping down and being replaced by Jeff Cannata.... please based god
 
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Alur

Member
Was a pretty good run. That last win where we had lost every keep and barely had a fort down but turned a fight then won another as they respawned to just push core was a good way to end it.

Was kind of crazy the amount of split push cheese we saw in QM today, though. People just suiciding into forts and keeps in multiple lanes. Not much fun to play against.
 
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Familienoberhauptvogel

Banned
Bakery made some good points on Tyrael, he still has powerful 13 picks with imposing gone and while he has become unpopular multiple times he's always returned as 1 of the best warriors eventually. Never count Tyrael out.
 
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Milly79

Member
Yeah we sure did run into a lot of pve yesterday. Luckily we punished most of it, but that's still the largest problem of our group: we do not respond effectively to split pushing. Granted, that Aba was on point and although we won that last fight and could've cored ourselves, our lanes were so fucked and he was already on our core melting it.

I think if anything wave clear is something we need to look at more when we pick heroes and then cc second.
 
scoobs

scoobs

Member
You play kaelthas really well. I guess I could play Xul. Wave clear heroes are just kinda boring for me though.
 
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Milly79

Member
I play every hero well, let's be real here. /s

KT is a good choice, but he's 20. I don't get the itch to play him nearly as often as I did. The majority of the time I play him now is in draft modes on Braxxis and we never play draft modes, so...

I wasn't necessarily saying we had to draft a specialist either. Valla, Falstad, etc would fill the wave clear void.
 
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Kioshen

Member
Milly79 said:
Yeah we sure did run into a lot of pve yesterday. Luckily we punished most of it, but that's still the largest problem of our group: we do not respond effectively to split pushing. Granted, that Aba was on point and although we won that last fight and could've cored ourselves, our lanes were so fucked and he was already on our core melting it.

I think if anything wave clear is something we need to look at more when we pick heroes and then cc second.
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We lost that match because we gave them two turn ins for free. We had a team fight comp but we didn't seek them out. Instead, we tried to push lanes out while they had the map opened up for abathur because of those two turn-ins. BHB is snowbally but we were too passive because we couldn't decide on something which is fine because we weren't try harding it was just QM.

Love me some Falstad if we ever need him.
 
scoobs

scoobs

Member
BHB isn't really a team fight map though, they were playing the map correctly and avoiding fights really well, and when they did fight they won so they were probably just better.

We owned other than that though, that comeback win at the end (that I literally called before it happened)
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Kioshen

Member
We were winning the game before those two bad team fights. It completely reversed the pressure once that happened. We had map control and abathur's movement were restricted. Don't get me wrong I had my share of errors like usual so I'm not trying to point fingers or anything.

Edit: Any good guides lying around for ETC ? I think I need more time on the cow. It was fun running it in CH but I had to remember what he did. I probably just need to watch HGC replays from Breez running him.
 
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Alur

Member
Who is Sondius? You mean Probius?

New heroes always release on Tuesday (with like Rag one time on Wednesday IIRC). It is not Tuesday.
 
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