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[DarkJediKnight]

Cover for some of my fav movies. Mark your calenders for OCT 2nd . 1080p and 5.1 PCM with all.

 

[ManaByte]

I honestly like Snyder's remake more (after that and 300, Snyder is a god). Comes out on the 28th:

 

[OokieSpookie]

'Knocked Up' Confirmed For HD DVD this September

Disc Features:
• Audio Commentary with Writer/Director Judd Apatow, Executive Producer/Star Seth Rogen and Actor Bill Hader.
• Featurettes: "Line-O-Rama," "Roller Coaster Doc," "Directing the Director," "Topless Scene: Wed Design Company"
• Deleted Scenes, Extended/Alternate Scenes
• Music Video: Loudon Wainwright III's "Live at McCabe's: You Can't Fail Me No"
• Gag Reel

HD Exclusive Content:
• Picture in Picture with Writer/Director Judd Apatow and cast



Universal Brings 'Evan Almighty' to HD DVD this October

Side A: HD DVD

* 1080P 2.35:1 Widescreen
* English Dolby True HD 5.1 Surround
* English and French Dolby Digital Plus 5.1 Surround
* English DVS Dolby Digital 2.0
* English SDH and French subtitles
* Picture-in-Picture - Viewers will get a truly "inside" look at the making of the movie through BTS footage and interviews with cast and crew
* Ark Building for Dummies - 3-D pop up graphics give a step-by-step guide to ark building for the viewers at home.
* Animal Wrangler - In sync wtih the movie, graphics give factual information on each type of animal
* Get on Board
* Deleted Scenes
* Outtakes
* The Ark-itects of Noah's Ark
* Becoming Noah
* Steve Carell Unscripted
* Animals on Set Two by Two
* Animal Roundup Game
* The Almighty Green Set
* It's Easy Being Green
* Acts of Random Kindness
* A Flood of Visual Effects
* The Almighty Forest



I'm buying both.

Knocked Up was a great movie, Evan the Almighty.....not so much

 

[wasting]

cant wait for knocked up, day 1 at high best buy prices

 

[OokieSpookie]

I honestly like Snyder's remake more (after that and 300, Snyder is a god). Comes out on the 28th

I think the remake surprised alot of people, it was good times all the way and definitely a must get for genre peeps

 

[distantmantra]

cant wait for knocked up, day 1 at high best buy prices

Chalk another one up as a casualty of the format war: Knocked Up is HD-DVD exclusive, while Superbad is Blu-Ray exclusive.

In any event, I'm sure Apatow and Rogan don't mind too much, since they're gonna make money no matter what.

 

[DarkJediKnight]

I liked Snyder's remake as well. If there was a part tailor made for Ving Rhames, that was it! The HD DVD and Bluray Dawns are mine regardless.

 

[VanMardigan]

Knocked Up was a great movie, Evan the Almighty.....not so much

Yeah, I read the terrible reviews and went to see it despite that (I have a soft spot with me being a Christian and all).

I was pleasantly surprised and the wife liked it as well.

btw, I picked up MI: 3 at Circuit City. They have the biggest B&M selection of HD movies I've ever seen. I didn't see TMNT, though. I'll pick up that, Hot Fuzz, and Blood Diamond on Amazon. I'm done buying movies cause my vacation is almost over. I picked up:

-40 Year Old Virgin
-MI:3
-300
-Meet the Parents

Decent haul.

 

[kaching]

Yeah, maybe you don't really read what you write:

Again, nobody is ruling out Ps3 as a BD player, so false premise.

Oh FFS, talk about ignoring the context of the remark. You made the point that a PS3 purchase "is simply not a vote in the format wars, necessarily," and I'm responding to that. Getting "ruled out" refers to that act, not specifically ruling out the PS3 as a BD player. That's silly - I don't think anyone is doing that. I'll own up to my phrasing being a little vague but you've been overreacting to my comments from the start and relying a little too much on your assumptions about my bias here to color my statements with a bit too broad of a brush.

 

[el Diablo]

cant wait for knocked up, day 1 at high best buy prices

Price match, price match, price match. Between Walmart.com and Target.com (amazon does their online sales) you can always get it for cheaper than what BB has it for (listed these stores cause you can find them in about every state). Just print up the price that either site has for the movie, bring it to customer service and they'll ring it up no problem. I've bought 20 something discs since i got my PS3 around launch and haven't once paid BB's price for any of them. Paid $23.88 + tax for 300 just last week.

 

[thaivo]

Pan's Labrynth is up for pre-order in the UK. I thought this was one of the strongest and enduring titles of last year. It might be my first import HD-DVD disc.

http://www.hmv.co.uk/hmvweb/displayProductDetails.do?ctx=95;13;-1;-1&sku=695610

 

[Matrix]

Pan's Labyrinth UK HD-DVD available for Pre-Order

Nov.12th date...

http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B000UYBP0A/



Must buy for me It will be my first import hd-dvd.

EDIT- DAMN BEAT BY A MIN!

:lol

 

[thaivo]

EDIT- DAMN BEAT BY A MIN!

:lol

We said the same thing too :lol Scary...

 

[OokieSpookie]

Pan's Labrynth is up for pre-order in the UK. I thought this was one of the strongest and enduring titles of last year. It might be my first import HD-DVD disc.

http://www.hmv.co.uk/hmvweb/displayProductDetails.do?ctx=95;13;-1;-1&sku=695610

The Bluray version is up for preorder at

Have we received any concrete word on if this one is locked or not?
Most are saying it is not, but I do not want to play guinnea pig

 

[Matrix]

:lol

Atleast our pre-order links are different

 

[VanMardigan]

Oh FFS, talk about ignoring the context of the remark. You made the point that a PS3 purchase "is simply not a vote in the format wars, necessarily," and I'm responding to that. Getting "ruled out" refers to that act, not specifically ruling out the PS3 as a BD player. That's silly - I don't think anyone is doing that. I'll own up to my phrasing being a little vague but you've been overreacting to my comments from the start and relying a little too much on your assumptions about my bias here to color my statements with a bit too broad of a brush.

I don't have any assumptions about your bias. I don't know who you are. I can only respond to your written posts for what they are, and you already admitted the wording was bad, so you know who to blame if my response seemed like it missed your broader point (which I still don't think makes sense).

 

[thaivo]

The Bluray version is up for preorder at

Have we received any concrete word on if this one is locked or not?
Most are saying it is not, but I do not want to play guinnea pig

I guess that's one of the benefits of HD-DVD.. we can import without fear. Well, except with the upcoming Chinese discs... I wonder if those will be playable on US machines.

 

[Petrarca]

Blu-ray players outpacing supply

This is even without PS3 sales number :lol

http://www.videobusiness.com/article/CA6467868.html?nid=2705

Retailers report sales gap closing between two formats
By Susanne Ault -- Video Business, 8/10/2007

AUG. 10 | Some consumer electronics retailers see the sales gap closing between set-top HD DVD players and Blu-ray Disc players as the two formats have come closer in price.

At Ultimate Electronics and Abt Electronics, Toshiba’s second-generation players are still the best-selling individual models, but collectively, Blu-ray players have been outselling HD DVD Toshiba models in recent weeks.

At Ultimate, the shift began in June when Sony rolled out Blu-ray’s cheapest set-top player to date, the $499 BDP-S300. Ultimate also carries second-generation Samsung and Pioneer Blu-ray models.

“It’s a slight lead, not a huge margin, but we expected this to happen as [Ultimate] is selling three HD DVD players, versus five Blu-ray players. There is a depth point of view now,” said Matt Duda, Ultimate director of merchandising for video. “But there is no single Blu-ray player overtaking Toshiba’s models.”

At the end of May, Toshiba offered a round of promotional price cuts on its players, spurring enough sales to make the changes permanent since July. Its entry player is $299; mid-line, $399; and top-line, $799.

Toshiba will release its third-generation HD DVD players in September and October with all three players at less than $500. The new line includes the entry-level HD-A3, priced at $299, the HD-A30 at $399 and the HD-A35 at $499. The new players will include improved 1080p support and a new CE-Link for connecting with other devices.

“Unit sales of Toshiba’s HD DVD players grew 200% in Q2 versus Q1, indicating that price continues to be an important factor in consumers’ purchases,” said Jodi Sally, VP of marketing at Toshiba America Consumer Products, without providing exact sell-through data.

According to NPD Group, HD DVD set-tops dominated the market in the second quarter, with a 61% market share, compared to 36% for Blu-ray.

However, retailers are taking notice of a summer shift in the high-def market.

“With all of the introductions of Blu-ray product, we have seen more sales in BD than in HD DVD, because there are so many options now out for consumers,” said John Abt, VP at Illinois bricks-and-mortar and national online dealer Abt Electronics.

Blu-ray sales might even be performing better, if not for currently limited supplies of some of the format’s relatively inexpensive offerings.

Ultimate, for instance, is still waiting on its first shipment of Panasonic’s latest $599 second-generation model, which started streeting to retailers in June-July. San Antonio’s Bjorn’s cannot meet customer demand of Sony’s $499 BDP-S300.

When Bjorn’s had adequate supply of Sony’s player in June, “we were seeing a 50/50 split in unit sales,” president Bjorn Dybdahl said. “That was primarily all three Toshiba players versus Sony’s $499 players. If the Blu-ray group wants to put a death knell on HD DVD, then they need to get it everywhere very quickly.”

Sony and Panasonic executives say that are working to remedy the supply situation but insist they are happy with second-generation sales results.

Panasonic is just getting its newest model out to some retailers this month, said Gene Kelsey, VP of entertainment group at Panasonic Consumer Electronics.

Aside from the format war, retailers are enjoying an overall lift in high-definition player sales.

In June, Bjorn’s sold more high-def players than standard-def DVD players. Ultimate reports that high-def unit sales currently make up around 40% of the overall DVD player category.

“Regular DVD players still account for the majority of our business, but next-generation is slowly gaining momentum,” Ultimate’s Duda said. “We started noticing the slow gain around April, with the first price move by Toshiba. [With the entire high-def category,] we are seeing higher sell-through this current quarter than we did in fourth quarter last year.”

 

[captive]

So i got my receiver all set up and im watching Crank, this shit is awesome!

 

[Petrarca]

So i got my receiver all set up and im watching Crank, this shit is awesome!

Crank is funny as shit, I like Jason. Can't wait to see him with Jet Li in War in a couple of weeks

 

[Bebpo]

So i got my receiver all set up and im watching Crank, this shit is awesome!

One of the most impressive next-gen discs for sure and a good movie to boot!

 

[kaching]

I don't have any assumptions about your bias. I don't know who you are. I can only respond to your written posts for what they are, and you already admitted the wording was bad, so you know who to blame if my response seemed like it missed your broader point (which I still don't think makes sense).

Did your recent ban cause selective amnesia? We have exchanged words in this very thread and you've certainly overreacted or made assumptions about what I was saying before, when there was less room for you to hide behind the wording on my part. The problem with my wording was that it was ambiguous ("PS3 as a BD player gets ruled out"), but that didn't stop you from assuming what I explicitly meant ("PS3 is ruled out as a BD player"), rather than seek clarification. The two statements aren't the same.

As for the broader point, sales of any type of player, standalone or otherwise, aren't a guarantee of any kind of firm or lasting support for a format, esp. this early in the lifecycle.

 

[Raistlin]

Guess you're right, answer is in there:

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Joshua_Zyber/High-Def_FAQ/High-Def_FAQ:_Is_HDMI_1.3_Really_Necessary/853

That's what I thought ...

... so if Dark is right, and this thing doesn't actually have a DTS-MA decoder (which no HD DVD player has at the moment) ... that is just ... wow.

 

[VanMardigan]

Did your recent ban cause selective amnesia? We have exchanged words in this very thread and you've certainly overreacted or made assumptions about what I was saying before, when there was less room for you to hide behind the wording on my part. The problem with my wording was that it was ambiguous ("PS3 as a BD player gets ruled out"), but that didn't stop you from assuming what I explicitly meant ("PS3 is ruled out as a BD player"), rather than seek clarification. The two statements aren't the same.

As for the broader point, sales of any type of player, standalone or otherwise, aren't a guarantee of any kind of firm or lasting support for a format, esp. this early in the lifecycle.

Yeah, I really don't remember who you are or exchanging words with you. So you can take that assumption and throw it out the window. Just let it go, I'm not picking on you. And now you're trying to get on my case for reading what you wrote.........just as you wrote it. I was supposed to seek clarification? Why? Let's move on, this is embarrassing.

 

[jet1911]

Got my copy of Hot Fuzz in the mail today but it won't work on my 360 HD-DVD player. Me am sad. :'(

 

[captive]

One of the most impressive next-gen discs for sure and a good movie to boot!

Yup that is why i chose it to be the first Blu-ray i played on my new TV and surround sound.
That and the high def digest review said that its 7.1 uncompressed PCM instead of 6.1.

Also just got done watching 300, i picked dolby trueHD and cranked it up. Man, so awesome especialyl since my friend came over and he bought a boston 7.1 set and a 1000 denon, my system blows his out of the water and i paid less for it.

 

[kaching]

Yeah, I really don't remember who you are or exchanging words with you. So you can take that assumption and throw it out the window. Just let it go, I'm not picking on you. And now you're trying to get on my case for reading what you wrote.........just as you wrote it. I was supposed to seek clarification? Why? Let's move on, this is embarrassing.

You've got terrible memory and if you actually read what I wrote just as I wrote it, you would have asked for clarification. I can understand why you're embarrassed.

 

[VanMardigan]

Got my copy of Hot Fuzz in the mail today but it won't work on my 360 HD-DVD player. Me am sad. :'(

Do you have the latest firmware? Just log in with your xbox connected to xbox live and it should prompt you.

if you actually read what I wrote just as I wrote it, you would have asked for clarification

Because it was poorly written? Why would I ask for clarification?

edit: you know what, don't answer that. This is going nowhere. You already posted..........whatever it is that you posted. I'm not going to respond to you in regards to this topic anymore. This thread has some good posts for discussion right now and this is just pushing it in the wrong direction.

 

[rc213]

Wow, I thought I had seen the worst of the spin artist at avsforum's but this guy takes the cake. :lol

http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=579730&st=15

This is not true at all..Universal is HELPING the HD DVD but is definitely not needed in terms of exclusivity in order for HD DVD to continue. That spin was giving by Blu PR again.
On the other hand without PS3 there is no Blu-Ray. The standalone sales are simply miserable and by latest reports standalone HD DVD players are outselling BR ones by 10:1.

Let me make something clear, HD DVD is expanding at a pace as it was intended, slowly but surely it is gaining momentum. You have to understand that PS3 caused a spike and created this quasi stats heaven for Blu-Ray because they suddenly shipped 1 million consoles and expanded from there. Sure there are more PS3s out there for now, but this ratio is narrowing down and it will not take too much longer until HD DVD catches on with numbers.

But let me show you why it's not all flowers and peaches for Blu-Ray. You can spin numbers as much as you want, but since PS3 came out we've seen Blu-Ray go from 4:1 BD:HD DVD ratio to 3:1 to 2:1 and less today.

Now you would say, but it's still 2:1 in favor of Blu-Ray. Sure, but when you consider that PS3 base TRIPPLED to 4.5 million worldwide and the ratio of BD sales actually dropped from 4:1 to 2:1 and is slowly but surely continuing to drop, you come to realize that HD DVD is anything but dead and is actually in an uprising.

If you look at 300 numbers, even though BD version outsold HD DVD version (and the reasons for this might be not so obvious like not enough units of HD DVD were shipped to retailers and HD DVD actually had a more expensive version) it is amazing to note that HD DVD 300 sold 87.500 units. This is more then Casino Royale and Planet Earth together, and even though BD sold 160k units, the fact that HD DVD outsold previous top hi-def titles as well says that it's growing and slowly catching up and not losing this war.

When more games (exclusive PS3 ones) start coming out, BD crowd will slow down the purchase of movies and start using their PS3s for it's primary purpose, games. This is where you will see even bigger spike in HD DVD growth.

Keep in mind again, that once HD DVD passes the quantity of 1 million players, there will be nothing that PS3 can do to stop it. As of now with 10:1 ratio in PS3 to HD DVD players and software sales at only 2:1, it will take HD DVD just to double it's base to even the numbers (to around 600k). This would mean that PS3 would need to around 10 million units out there in order to match the sales of 1 million players. This is highly unlikely until end of this year. Unless they introduce a $399 SKU, especially with the new pricing of XBox's, and the fact that they sold around 5 milion from November last year, I highly doubt they will be able to double this number in the next 4 months. I might be wrong, but it's highly unlikely.

With prices from $150-$300 HD DVD players will complete swap the market this holiday season. With Warner, Paramount releasing better versions of same movies on HD DVD as opposed to BD and Universal continuing to come out with awesome releases like Hot Fuzz..Blu-Ray has reason to fear a lot. If they don't come out with at least a $299 version of Blu-Ray player this holiday season they will be in trouble. Let me remind you that Disney really haven't released anything and will maybe release 1 title before year's end and Fox has like a few titles out there and has stopped releasing until further notice which is most likely by end of this year at least. This all is not good, there goes that studio advantage.

And this is ALL under the assumption that we WON'T see any Chinese players at $199 and lower that have been finally approved by DVD Forum only a few days ago I think. Hollywood Reporter actually noted that these are indeed coming for this holiday season. As if this wouldn't be enough, Toshiba's only capacity to deliver 8-9 million laptops a year can only mean good things when they sell most of their laptops with HD DVD drives. Let me remind you that even Acer, HP, Asus and others (except Dell and Sony) are selling laptops with HD DVD players and those laptops unlike Sony's $2500+ price, start at around $1300-$1500.

You have to understand that now HD DVD is getting more and more support, not less. From Amazon making all HD DVD players their top picks for this season, to inevitable Chinese players, to Onkyo's new super classy HD DVD player at only $899 that blows away Denon's $2000 Blu-Ray player..HD DVD has managed to position itself with the whole lineup. Cheap, mid-class and upper class (enthusiast) players.

Trust me, if anyone has anything to be worried about this year. It's Blu-Ray Group as the initial blitzkreig that Sony was hoping for that would kill HD DVD failed.

Damn...

 

[VanMardigan]

Like all irrational people, he makes some good points but then embellishes them with best-case scenario stuff and wishful thinking. I'll agree with him that the war is not over, but I'll disagree with him on the immediacy and sudden comeback he seems to be predicting.

 

[Raistlin]

"10:1"


:lol

 

[rc213]

Like all irrational people, he makes some good points but then embellishes them with best-case scenario stuff and wishful thinking. I'll agree with him that the war is not over, but I'll disagree with him on the immediacy and sudden comeback he seems to be predicting.

I also agree that the war is far from over.

Just thought I would post it cause it made me laugh and I was bored. I wish I had the stones to jump into HD but I don't. =C


EDIT: I was gonna post something from him a couple weeks later where he was posting false Nielsen numbers where it was 55:45 BD for the past couple months. But I forgot. :lol

 

[OokieSpookie]

Wow, I thought I had seen the worst of the spin artist at avsforum's but this guy takes the cake. :lol

http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=579730&st=15



Damn...

Why do people like him that always say things about the ps3 and it's role in tipping things as if it is a bad thing never mention the 360 hd player that had every chance to make an impact and honestly a BIGGER chance considering the 360 install base.

 

[XMonkey]

When more games (exclusive PS3 ones) start coming out, BD crowd will slow down the purchase of movies and start using their PS3s for it's primary purpose, games. This is where you will see even bigger spike in HD DVD growth.

Who on the HD-DVD camp came up with this insane argument.

 

[OokieSpookie]

Who on the HD-DVD camp came up with this insane argument.

It is all they have left.

The "everyone buy hd movies on the same day to pad the numbers" gimmick failed, the matrix failed, the "clearance out the 360 player with free movies", the "superior" version of 300 failed.
I am so tired of the format war, i thought nothing could be worse than console crap but the format war is so dumb.
I seriously hope someone with half of a brain wakes up at universal.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

Chinese-made HD DVD players selling for $199 are expected to hit store shelves by December, while Sony is widely expected to cut the cost of its Blu-ray machine to as low as $299 by year’s end.

This is what I've been saying since January or so.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

It is all they have left.

The "everyone buy hd movies on the same day to pad the numbers" gimmick failed, the matrix failed, the "clearance out the 360 player with free movies", the "superior" version of 300 failed.
I am so tired of the format war, i thought nothing could be worse than console crap but the format war is so dumb.
I seriously hope someone with half of a brain wakes up at universal.

Every single supposed savior of HD DVD has failed. That why I thnk, while not over, the war's outcome can be called with some certainty.

It won't be over until Universal goes neutral, and I think there are serious reasons to think that won't happen until after the holidays (and I haver thought that since early this year)... but then what rational people think will happen will happen and we'll see BluRay get more-or-less universal (pun intended) support.

 

[Vark]

Every single supposed savior of HD DVD has failed. That why I thnk, while not over, the war's outcome can be called with some certainty.

It won't be over until Universal goes neutral, and I think there are serious reasons to think that won't happen until after the holidays (and I haver thought that since early this year)... but then what rational people think will happen will happen and we'll see BluRay get more-or-less universal (pun intended) support.

The problem is, and what people seem to consistently forget, is that all this talk about HD-DVD and Blu-Ray is a tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny fraction of the home video market. Whether you're betting on the horse thats 60% of nothing, or the one thats 40% of nothing it doesn't do much for your bottom line, which is why studios are perfectly happy keeping their toes in the water without any real commitment.

I love both formats, I'm the target market, but I can honestly see both going the way of SACD and DVD-A. The general public still doesn't give a shit, which is why its too early to call an end, even after christmas.

 

[mollipen]

Like all irrational people, he makes some good points

He does??

 

[Days like these...]

"10:1"


:lol

What is the ratio of Blu ray players including ps triples vs. hd players including 360 add on? Blu Ray discs should be out selling HD discs by alot more than 2:1. That's why things aren't nearly as bad as blu ray supporters would want people to believe. Actually with the news from onkyo and amazon featuring toshiba's 3 gen players as top holiday picks and further price drops/ cheaper players later in the 4th quarter things look pretty good.

Let me save you guys the trouble "but we have spiderman and poc and disney cartoons and bart simpson"

 

[mollipen]

What is the ratio of Blu ray players including ps triples vs. hd players including 360 add on? Blu Ray discs should be out selling HD discs by alot more than 2:1.

Same fact that must be repeated over and over: HD-DVD players are purchased specifically for watching HD-DVDs, PS3 are not purchased specifically for watching Blu-Ray movies 100% of the time. The numbes were what, 40% of PS3 owners currently have watched a Blu-ray movie on their machine?

So take Blu-ray players + 40% of PS3s and then compare that to HD-DVD players. And even then, you've got some percentage of PS3 owners who no doubt have watched/purchased a Blu-ray on the machine just because they can, not because they are specifically part of the "next-gen movie format" crowd yet.

 

[Days like these...]

Who on the HD-DVD camp came up with this insane argument.

Just what makes it insane? Are you filthy rich? Do you have money tree in your backyard. Most people have to make choices on what to spend their disposable income. I think its safe to say that the majority of ps triple owners are gamers and they will have to decide whether spend their money on games or movies.

 

[rc213]

So your saying gamers are too dumb to manage their budget and have to choose one or the other?

 

[XMonkey]

Not to mention that the great lineup coming for the PS3 will only help sell a lot more systems and, you know, all PS3s can play Bluray movies so the potential for even more movie sales increases.

It just doesn't make sense to somehow argue that point and really only points out how desperate people are getting in the HD-DVD camp.

 

[Days like these...]

So your saying gamers are too dumb to manage their budget and have to choose one or the other?

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume your being intentionally obtuse. No matter how they manage their budget they're still gong to have to make a choice money for games or money for movies. Money don't grow on trees, capiche?

 

[rc213]

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume your being intentionally obtuse. No matter how they manage their budget they're still gong to have to make a choice money for games or money for movies. Money don't grow on trees, capiche?

Uhh sure... I didn't realize people couldn't choose to spend their money on 1 game and a couple of movies instead of 2 games a month. :lol

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

The problem is, and what people seem to consistently forget, is that all this talk about HD-DVD and Blu-Ray is a tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny fraction of the home video market. Whether you're betting on the horse thats 60% of nothing, or the one thats 40% of nothing it doesn't do much for your bottom line, which is why studios are perfectly happy keeping their toes in the water without any real commitment.

I love both formats, I'm the target market, but I can honestly see both going the way of SACD and DVD-A. The general public still doesn't give a shit, which is why its too early to call an end, even after christmas.

We've covered this. Thne battle is not vs DVD, but to determine who gets the slot as the HD format of the future, as HDTV grows. Already these formats have more penetration and recognition than those audio formats.

 

[captive]

The problem is, and what people seem to consistently forget, is that all this talk about HD-DVD and Blu-Ray is a tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny fraction of the home video market. Whether you're betting on the horse thats 60% of nothing, or the one thats 40% of nothing it doesn't do much for your bottom line, which is why studios are perfectly happy keeping their toes in the water without any real commitment.

I love both formats, I'm the target market, but I can honestly see both going the way of SACD and DVD-A. The general public still doesn't give a shit, which is why its too early to call an end, even after christmas.

And i would say 160k people buying a movie in such a niche environment, is pretty fucking good. Not to mention 250k total over hd dvd and blu-ray.

 

[Crayon Shinchan]

The problem is, and what people seem to consistently forget, is that all this talk about HD-DVD and Blu-Ray is a tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny fraction of the home video market. Whether you're betting on the horse thats 60% of nothing, or the one thats 40% of nothing it doesn't do much for your bottom line, which is why studios are perfectly happy keeping their toes in the water without any real commitment.

I love both formats, I'm the target market, but I can honestly see both going the way of SACD and DVD-A. The general public still doesn't give a shit, which is why its too early to call an end, even after christmas.

backwards compatibility, lowering prices. Your argument holds no water.

 

[thaivo]

backwards compatibility, lowering prices. Your argument holds no water.

That and with video people can literally "see" the difference. With the next gen audio formats, some people just can't tell a difference.