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[Raistlin]

Why were they impractical? Because Laserdisc was bigger than a VHS? DVHS started right when DVD started and never really stood a chance. DVD did everything they did but better.

Laserdisc was a solid step up both in audio and visual. How was it impractical? Because it was a large 12" disc? Most people (including myself) were able to forgive that in lieu of the benifits of the format.

Laserdisc had 2 main problems:

1) Form Factor - I'm not sure if people cared that much about the size, but they definitely didn't like flipping disks halfway through a movie.

2) It was too early - This is relating to it's A/V advantages. In its heyday, most people owned TV's without S-Video. Due to that, they had to rely on the shitty comb filters found in most TV's. Other then a lack of tracking errors and tape deterioration artifacts, the video advantages simply weren't that noticeable with what most people used as displays.

Similarly, most people didn't have stereos hooked up to their TV's, so the audio benefits were lost for the most part.


When you consider the above, and then couple it with the price ... not many people were going to bite. Why pay so much more, when the only obvious advantages are track skipping and no deterioration?



Note: I love Laserdisc (especially in terms of audio). Just stating why I think it failed.

 

[XMonkey]

Casino Royale Blu-Ray's MSRP is $38.96. Good luck with the mainstream.

And DVD MSRPs are jacked way up over what you actually find in stores. Let's not play this game.

 

[thetrin]

lol, poor people.

My family in the states is shipping me a stack of bluray movies as an awesome care package. I can`t wait.

 

[Christopher]

lol, poor people.
My family in the states is shipping me a stack of bluray movies as an awesome care package. I can`t wait.

:lol oh god

Which ones dude?

 

[Brofist]

There were players that would auto-switch LD sides. I have one.

Casino Royale Blu-Ray's MSRP is $38.96. Good luck with the mainstream.

You aren't really going to argue price point between LD and blu-ray movies are you?

Besides LD didn't have the benefit of all the online mail order bargains, discounted prices etc.. I mean who the **** is going to actually pay $38.96 for Casino Royale.

 

[Raistlin]

Casino Royale Blu-Ray's MSRP is $38.96. Good luck with the mainstream.

1) Note 'MSRP' ...


2) You keep trumpeting how great Laserdisc was ... I recall many titles actually retailing in that price range ... and this was 15 years ago. :\

 

[Brofist]

1) Note 'MSRP' ...


2) You keep trumpeting how great Laserdisc was ... I recall many titles actually retailing in that price range ... and this was 15 years ago. :\

$40 was the absolute lowest tier pricing for LD also. Any decent movie such as T2, Star Wars etc were closer to $100. Forget about Criterion movies..$150.

 

[Zaptruder]

There were players that would auto-switch LD sides. I have one.

Casino Royale Blu-Ray's MSRP is $38.96. Good luck with the mainstream.

Bububububu

Look. Just give it up.

Unless you can come up with reasonable responses to my points, stop coming up with these facetious half thought out pseudo examples.

BD takeover is inevitable, even if it won't instantly oust DVD or even HD-DVD from contention.

 

[terrene]

My two cents:

I have an HDTV and I care about the HD media. I don't care which wins, and will not buy either media until there is a clear and solid winner. Blu-Ray is looking good now, but I can wait. It's not like the sales numbers for either format holds a candle to DVD, and the disc prices are still about double that of DVDs.

Records were around from the late 1800's. Cassettes were around for about 20 years. VHS was around for about 20 years. In those cases, people were ready to upgrade. Most average Joes just rebought their movie collections in 2000/2001, and I don't think they will want to re-buy them again five or six years later. In addition to having just rebuying their collection, the upgrade isn't as significant as VHS to DVD was.

Blu-Ray / HD-DVD will probably end up being a supplement format to DVD, much like Laserdisc was to VHS. Not that that's necessarily a bad thing. I had a Laserdisc player from 1992+ and loved it. Movies were WAY more expensive, but much better considering the alternative (VHS). I think the same will hold true for the HD format. They will be more expensive than DVD, but will be able to hold their own with the audiovideophiles until a true successor comes along in about 10 years. Just like VHS --> Laserdisc --> DVD.

When there's a clear winner, I'll invest in the HD format, even though I know it will be more expensive. At least it won't be as bad as Laserdisc, where I would routinely pay anywhere between $40-$100 per movie (Criterions and special editions were at the top end of the price range).

This isn't the worst trolling of HD I've ever seen, but I'm getting pretty annoyed by the people who think they're being clever when they attempt to connect current formats to formats of the past and predict the outcome. It doesn't work for consoles, it's not going to work for these formats. It's consumer electronics, it moves too fast and it's history is too short to repeat itself. You can buy BRDs for $15-$35, the media upgrade is necessary to take advantage of the emerging display standard (HDTV) and a popular game console can play it. It's a new approach to market entry, you don't have any real analogy to use. Please, please, just shut up.

 

[mrklaw]

http://www.hdgamedb.com/amazon/versus.aspx

A link is probably best.

I expect Casino Royale to hit 10 tomorrow. It hit #11 today. Getting the top 10 is massive.

It just hit number 9

 

[mrklaw]

I will bet the last ounce of my mother's blood that will not be the case. 1920x1080p is going to be the HD standard for at least a decade if not more. Not because higher res isn't producable in the future, but that it's difficult enough to get people to invest in HD to begin with.

The winner of this format war will be THE definitive home media disc in a few years. That's why the fight is so heated and why Toshiba didn't want to lose the royalty that will be gained from it.

Laserdisc, DVHS, were all stop-gap solutions but completely unpractical.

agree. DVD was a nice format but isn't up to speed with display technology, so there is a need to improve.

1080p provides a noticeable increase in resolution for todays larger TVs (don't forget average TV size has increased a lot over the last 20 years) and should be a good resolution to last 10-20 years

SD-DVD was just a stopgap (albeit a nice one)

 

[Petrarca]

It just hit number 9

blu-ray CR is now competing with top selling DVD

 

[Rabid Wolverine]

More titles due on the 06/05/07:

A Few Good Men: MSRp of $28.95
Hellboy: MSRP $28.95
Meatballs: msrp $28.95
Cruel Intentions: msrp $28.95
Jerry Maguire: msrp $28.95
The Messengers: Msrp $38.96
Rescue Me 3rd season: MSrp $79.95

Garrity in Hi-Def!

MINE! When it drops in price.

 

[mckmas8808]

blu-ray CR is now competing with top selling DVD

I said WOW!

 

[djkimothy]

OMG, my Casino Royale status says it's shipped!

And I'm still waiting for my copy of Prestige to come in the mail. I am going to be 1 happy camper at the end of the week with 2 movies coming my way!

And BTW, my casino royale blu-ray disc cost me $36 after tax CAD. Not bad considering the quality I expect.

 

[Luckyman]

HD-DVD is getting hammered.

No releases for weeks.

 

[mckmas8808]

HD-DVD is getting hammered.

No releases for weeks.

Are you serious?

 

[teiresias]

Just for a nice little laugh:

http://forum.teamxbox.com/showthread.php?t=513093

:lol :lol :lol

 

[djkimothy]

OMG, Blu-Ray has a 71% for the week of Mar 13th.

http://www.dvdempire.com/Content/Features/hidef_wars.asp?view=1&userid=99365370035200

Would be interesting to see the next week after Casino Royale sales.

 

[methane47]

Just for a nice little laugh:

http://forum.teamxbox.com/showthread.php?t=513093

:lol :lol :lol

Wow that was sad... Especially for all the people that Rallied for great justice around the hope that HD-DVD beat Bluray last week... lol

That is soo sad... HD-DVD supporters now have to photoshop charts :lol

 

[Alcibiades]

it's possible that was a joke post with a photoshopped pic, but for some reason, dvdempire.com charts have been known to change. whether it's because of changes in orders, or because they are incomplete in tabulation, who knows, but yeah it wouldn't be the first time they do that, so I wouldn't assume straightaway some guy was making up stuff to "boost" hd dvd...

 

[Zaptruder]

hd dvd...

:lol

You're not selling anyone with that mate.

 

[mckmas8808]

OMG, Blu-Ray has a 71% for the week of Mar 13th.

http://www.dvdempire.com/Content/Features/hidef_wars.asp?view=1&userid=99365370035200

Would be interesting to see the next week after Casino Royale sales.

Jeez...and the PS3 isn't even out yet in Europe. :lol

 

[wasting]

That is soo sad... HD-DVD supporters now have to photoshop charts :lol

Its wasnt a photoshop the numbers were actually like that at one point.

 

[Zaptruder]

Its wasnt a photoshop the numbers were actually like that at one point.

The first poster posted at 10:30 AM yesterday, and the poster that posted the corrected and actual stats posted at 3:30pm on the same day.

Moreover, that chart is for the week ending 6th of march (and there's been a new chart released since then).

Take from that what you will.

 

[sonycowboy]

Its wasnt a photoshop the numbers were actually like that at one point.

Yep. I saw them and took a double take. Clearly they were an error as they don't publish interim results. That, or DVD-EMPIRE is biased against HD-DVD and changed the data because they didn't like the results.

 

[Oni Jazar]

DVD Empire is recording sales from their own site.

When you have Amazon giving 50% off sales on nearly every BD title of course no one is going to buy BDs from DVD Empire.

 

[Christopher]

it's possible that was a joke post with a photoshopped pic, but for some reason, dvdempire.com charts have been known to change. whether it's because of changes in orders, or because they are incomplete in tabulation, who knows, but yeah it wouldn't be the first time they do that, so I wouldn't assume straightaway some guy was making up stuff to "boost" hd dvd...

:lol stop...just stop.

 

[DarkJediKnight]

Its wasnt a photoshop the numbers were actually like that at one point.

He's right. The DVD Empire numbers for Blu-ray went down as soon as the Amazon sales started, which gave HD DVD the lead to start the week. DVD Empire uses a day-to-day active sales chart so it fluctuates. When people ran out of titles to buy on amazon (mainly because they're sold out) they went to DVD Empire.

Regardless, that is a very bad sign for HD DVDers. Meaning that even an amazon sale couldn't prevent Blu-ray taking 1st week of March at DVD Empire.

 

[captive]

Casino Royale Blu-Ray's MSRP is $38.96. Good luck with the mainstream.

Amazon.com items (Sold by Amazon.com, LLC):
1 Casino Royale [Blu-ray] $27.25 1 $27.25

Shipped via UPS (estimated arrival date: 14-March-2007).
Tracking number:

---------------------------------------------------------------------
Item Subtotal: $27.25
Shipping & Handling: $0.00

Promotion Applied $-2.73

Total: $24.52

Paid by Visa: $24.52

Amazon.com items (Sold by Amazon.com, LLC):
1 Memento (Blu-Ray) $14.49 1 $14.49

Shipped via UPS (estimated arrival date: 15-March-2007).
Tracking number:

---------------------------------------------------------------------
Item Subtotal: $14.49
Shipping & Handling: $0.00

Promotion Applied $-1.45

Total: $13.04

Paid by Visa: $13.04

Yea sooo expensive.

 

[Oni Jazar]

Not to mention Casino Royale (Blu-ray) is #9 best selling DVD title and climbing.

 

[Bebpo]

The Fountain - May 15th Blu-ray & HD-DVD.

Still no Fox announcement for Last King of Scottland Blu-ray Dvd comes out April 17th. I'm gonna be pissed at Fox if there is no day and date Blu-ray release.

 

[djkimothy]

The Fountain - May 15th Blu-ray & HD-DVD.

Still no Fox announcement for Last King of Scottland Blu-ray Dvd comes out April 17th. I'm gonna be pissed at Fox if there is no day and date Blu-ray release.

Hoorah! A nice birthday gift.

 

[Big-E]

Well I thought I would walk into my local Best Buy and pick up Casino Royale but they were sold out, got to try other stores.

 

[The Elite]

Well I thought I would walk into my local Best Buy and pick up Casino Royale but they were sold out, got to try other stores.

Damn.

 

[Y2Kev]

Well I thought I would walk into my local Best Buy and pick up Casino Royale but they were sold out, got to try other stores.

Wow, megaton.

 

[distantmantra]

UPS dropped off my copy of Casino Royale at home earlier today, I'll check it out when I get home in a few hours.

 

[Bad_Boy]

Well I thought I would walk into my local Best Buy and pick up Casino Royale but they were sold out, got to try other stores.

It's backordered on bestbuy.com too lol.

 

[distantmantra]

According to their Store Finder, CR is available at all Seattle area Best Buys.

 

[Big-E]

LMAO, bestbuy.ca doesn't even have Casino Royale on Blu-Ray listed, according to them it doesn't exist.

 

[ManaByte]

My BB got 7 copies of CR and they were all bought by ONE GUY at 10:00am when they opened.

 

[Y2Kev]

My BB got 7 copies of CR and they were all bought by ONE GUY at 10:00am when they opened.

WTF.

I can't wait for mine.

 

[AdmiralViscen]

More titles due on the 06/05/07:

A Few Good Men: MSRp of $28.95
Hellboy: MSRP $28.95
Meatballs: msrp $28.95
Cruel Intentions: msrp $28.95
Jerry Maguire: msrp $28.95
The Messengers: Msrp $38.96
Rescue Me 3rd season: MSrp $79.95

Garrity in Hi-Def!

MINE! When it drops in price.

Is Rescue Me coming to DVD that same day?

 

[Petrarca]

 

[djkimothy]

Well I thought I would walk into my local Best Buy and pick up Casino Royale but they were sold out, got to try other stores.

:lol I'm sorry, i found your plight a bit funny.

 

[Mrbob]

My BB got 7 copies of CR and they were all bought by ONE GUY at 10:00am when they opened.

When format wars go bad.

Save some for the rest of us! :lol

I hope my BB isn't sold out when I go check later tonight.

 

[DarkJediKnight]

Now that is how you push a format! I want to see this poster in every retail store.

 

[djkimothy]

well, i guess if you're going to get it online might as well go amazon since it's listed as in stock. Futureshop and best buy are out online. Chapters doesn't even have it listed. I may check BB and FS this evening when i go pick up God of War 2 to see if they have any in stock.

I faithfully await my pre-order. I'm hoping it comes Thursday. Probably won't see it till Saturday or Sunday since I promised my friends movie night with this and Prestige on Blu-Ray.

 

[Big-E]

Finally got my copy at FS. They had no more on display but had a few left in the back.

 

[Ckid]

Finally got my first blu-ray besides the Talladega pack in. Casino Royale for 29.99 canadian. not bad