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[Chemo]

Please stop trying to pretend that your eyes can convince me that my technical knowledge is false.

I'd also recommend an eye exam; if you're fortunate enough to own a 1080p set then don't you feel a little ripped off you paid so much for that high of a quality tv and can't notice it?

Please stop posting in this thread, your condescending tech talk is getting in the way of our Blu-ray versus HD DVD sales chart cock measuring.

 

[captive]

What a great, informative thread we have here about display resolutions... oh wait.

 

[xS1TH L0RDx]

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[pestul]

Must be your TV dude.. 1080i still looks better than 720p on my 'closer to 720p' LCD TV (1366x768). It definately varies depending on the set..

 

[pel1300]

again, you're an idiot.

Don't stop there, keep going.

I've never seen someone flex his geek knowledge so arrogantly....being so well versed in HDTV and star wars must really attract the chicks.

 

[xS1TH L0RDx]

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[xS1TH L0RDx]

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[pel1300]

why do you keep editing your posts?

Because I'm drunk and mess up the first time.

Funny how I may decide to edit a post like 10 minutes afterward, then several minutes later I get a response to the original. It's like you were sitting there taking 10 minutes to respond to it.

 

[Raistlin]

Bargain hunters need to know!

Just wanted to mention that I picked up both Pirates movies at a Circuit City in Shaumburg, Il (yeah ... I'm travelling ... again ... BIG FUKKING SHOCKER!!).


Anyway ... got 2 $15 cards

$14.99 each ... not bad.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

I'll have to pick it up tomorrow. It's not a huge priority for me, but at that price, I'll bite.

Hey xS1TH L0RDx, what TV do you have? You do realize that an awful lot of TVs that handle 1080i do so by rendering it in 720P native, right?

I can see the difference on my set, but god, it's subtle.

Also, who ever told you static images look better interlaced? That's farcical.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

Hey sith, I just looked at some of your posts including the one where you mention your TV.

Guess what-- it renders 1080i by converting it to 720p. :lol


Maybe it's doing a crappy job? Cheap set for the lose?

 

[Crayon Shinchan]

Hey sith, I just looked at some of your posts including the one where you mention your TV.

Guess what-- it renders 1080i by converting it to 720p. :lol


Maybe it's doing a crappy job? Cheap set for the lose?

Apparently there's an article around that finds that a majority of HDTVs (at least as of last year) don't convert 1080i to 720p properly.

... Funnily enough, my cheapo korean HDTV does a pretty damn good job... can't spot any interlacing in 1080i at all.

My friend's 24" DELL monitor on the other hand. Horrible horrible deinterlacer. Which is ironic given that it doesn't scale the resolution! Or at the least it shouldn't (because it looks like it does).

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

My projector does a good job, I guess. I can see the difference, barely.

 

[Argyle]

That's the most retarded thing I've ever read in my life. And yes, a normal eye can tell the difference.

I didn't think i'd have to explain this, but since you're ignorant i guess i'll have to. Static images look better when interlaced, motion looks better in progressive. Moving pictures displayed in an interlaced signal look a lot more jaggy and grainy due to 540 lines of color being displayed at once, whereas progressive moving pictures do not because the whole image is being displayed at once, not just 540 horizontal lines.

The bottom line is that you're an idiot and you're talking out of your ass, I suggest you stop before you make yourself look like a bigger fool than what you've already accomplished. I especially liked the part when you suggested you can't tell a difference between 720p and 1080p... if you couldn't tell a difference (which you can), then there wouldn't be as much attention given to 1080p as there is.

This is like the 3rd or 4th time I have had to explain this, so listen up.

For movie-based content, if you have a good television with a good deinterlacer, there is no real difference between 1080i and 1080p. And both are better than 720p. This is because for movies, a 1080i signal can be converted to a 1080p signal without any loss at all. Frankly, the 2x resolution difference between 1080i/p and 720p is pretty large, too.

If you say that movies at 1080i look worse than movies at 720p on your set, there can be only one conclusion. Your TV sucks. (It's OK, a lot of sets do suck.) It's a bummer that the PS3 won't output 720p for Blu-ray movies to compensate for your TV's inadequacy, but that doesn't magically make 720p better than 1080i for movies. (And fortunately for you, I think the HD DVD player for the 360 generally does a good job downconverting to 720p.)

 

[Flo_Evans]

This is like the 3rd or 4th time I have had to explain this, so listen up.

For movie-based content, if you have a good television with a good deinterlacer, there is no real difference between 1080i and 1080p. And both are better than 720p. This is because for movies, a 1080i signal can be converted to a 1080p signal without any loss at all. Frankly, the 2x resolution difference between 1080i/p and 720p is pretty large, too.

If you say that movies at 1080i look worse than movies at 720p on your set, there can be only one conclusion. Your TV sucks. (It's OK, a lot of sets do suck.) It's a bummer that the PS3 won't output 720p for Blu-ray movies to compensate for your TV's inadequacy, but that doesn't magically make 720p better than 1080i for movies. (And fortunately for you, I think the HD DVD player for the 360 generally does a good job downconverting to 720p.)

QFT. 1080i has gotten a bad rap from ancient CRT projection TVs and shitty chinese LCD panel scalers. I used to think the way young xS1TH L0RDx did until I saw the beauty of properly de-interlaced 1080i content.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

PT-AE900U.

If you can't have native 1080p, this is a damned good projector.

 

[Pachinko]

I"m perfectly happy with my TV's scaler actually . 720p set but it has a 1080i mode that still makes bluray's look fantastic. I can't imagine them looking much better then they do really.

I now own almost as many blurays as I do regular movie dvd's... which I admittadly never bought too many of. Casino royale, Crank,Departed, Enter the dragon, Pirates, Pirates 2, Prestige, Road warrior, Scanner darkly , Terminator 2, X3. I would have bought robocop and judging by HD digest review of the now cancelled release, I'm glad I didn't find it. There's still some crap out there I might grab on a cheapo sale and I never did buy Cars on DVD so I'll grab the bluray release.

 

[mrklaw]

PT-AE900U.

If you can't have native 1080p, this is a damned good projector.

and the one I used to watch a bit of PotC last night. Got in too late to watch all of it, but it does look gorgeous. Sound is fantastic too - I love with these uncompressed PCM tracks how the dialog sits really well with the rest of the movie. With DD I found it often got overwhelmed, but its really crisp and clear now. Might also help that I've upgraded my receiver/speakers

 

[Oni Jazar]

What speakers did you get?

 

[StoOgE]

lol @ phonies saying "1080i looks like shit compared to 720p or 1080p". :lol

Amazing how you THINK that you can notice such a big difference btwn the 2.

If you were shown a 1080i picture and told it was 720p you would believe it.

Not if his TV's scaler/deinterlacer is terrible. Its very possible on his TV 1080i looks horrid, there are several TV's out there that have an issue accepting non native resolutions.

Edit: 1080p versus 720p is pretty debatable as a noticible difference unless you have a huge screen or sit really close to your TV.. for a 50" set if you are more than 8 feet away, you likely wont be able to tell the difference at all. For me its a huge difference (50" TV about 6 feet away)

 

[yacobod]

got my matrix hd dvd set yesterday

the stairway fight in reloaded if amazing, the details in the weapons, the statues in the background, to the one guys timberlands, is just unbelievable

i just scanned a few scenes from each movie, and i have to say that the set really delivers, based on first impressions this set is ACE

 

[Lord Error]

QFT. 1080i has gotten a bad rap from ancient CRT projection TVs and shitty chinese LCD panel scalers. I used to think the way young xS1TH L0RDx did until I saw the beauty of properly de-interlaced 1080i content.

Yeah, many 720p TVs now can properly deinterlace 24FPS movie content and display it without you even guessing it's being tampered with, but some still have problems. 60FPS content is a much bigger problem of course, but that's not an issue for this thread as these BR and HDDVD movies are almost always 24FPS source material.

 

[StoOgE]

got my matrix hd dvd set yesterday

the stairway fight in reloaded if amazing, the details in the weapons, the statues in the background, to the one guys timberlands, is just unbelievable

i just scanned a few scenes from each movie, and i have to say that the set really delivers, based on first impressions this set is ACE

It really is exceptional, the amount of black on black detail that you are able to clearly makes this most impressive, and is very difficult to achieve. Batman had taken that crown since its release, but this takes the cake. It is certainly a tier 0 xfer all the way around.

 

[The Main Event]

For 2nd generation Toshiba HD DVD owners (A2-A20-XA2), the 1.6 firmware update is up.

 

[drohne]

QFT. 1080i has gotten a bad rap from ancient CRT projection TVs and shitty chinese LCD panel scalers. I used to think the way young xS1TH L0RDx did until I saw the beauty of properly de-interlaced 1080i content.

http://www.hometheatermag.com/hookmeup/1106hook/index.html

the tvs that fail the "3:2 film cadence" test won't handle 1080i film content properly. 80% of the tested displays fail, most of which are from big names, and few of which are shitty. this article is a bit old, but cnet have started doing these tests recently, and tvs keep failing them

my tv passes, btw

edit: i don't mean to suggest that there's anything inherently wrong with 1080i -- i'm just pointing out that a lot of nice tvs mishandle it

 

[mrklaw]

What speakers did you get?

Had mission FS1AVs. NXT flat panels, so a bit thin in the midrange. Replaced with Kef 2005s and a 3001 center. Not audiophile by any means, but soundtracks are fabulous now.

 

[Oni Jazar]

http://www.hometheatermag.com/hookmeup/1106hook/index.html

the tvs that fail the "3:2 film cadence" test won't handle 1080i film content properly. 80% of the tested displays fail, most of which are from big names, and few of which are shitty. this article is a bit old, but cnet have started doing these tests recently, and tvs keep failing them

my tv passes, btw

edit: i don't mean to suggest that there's anything inherently wrong with 1080i -- i'm just pointing out that a lot of nice tvs mishandle it

My Sharp 32LCD4U probably fails looking at the list but the 1080i images from Casino Royale and Pirates rival ANY HD material I have seen on my antenna or comcast cable at 720p.

I think a lot of it is hystrionics... Unless there is some photographic proof somewhere on the web about how "terrible" 1080i can look on an HDTV.

 

[drohne]

if your tv fails the test, that just means you're sometimes losing half the vertical resolution -- it doesn't mean the results will necessarily look bad. my tv fails the test for non-film 1080i sources -- and indeed i can see things like the lines on a basketball court going jaggy during quick pans, which doesn't happen when i let my cable box do the scaling -- but the results still look pretty good.

 

[DarkJediKnight]

Had mission FS1AVs. NXT flat panels, so a bit thin in the midrange. Replaced with Kef 2005s and a 3001 center. Not audiophile by any means, but soundtracks are fabulous now.

Great speakers. I will be buried with my Paradigm Reference Studio speakers. Having tried so many speakers, for the price and quality, I couldn't beat it.

It makes me feel better when I tell people that my audio system beats the living hell out of THX certified movie theaters. MUAHAHAHAA!!! :lol :lol :lol :lol










MUAHAHAHA!

Edit: BTW, watched Pirates 1 and 2 back to back and I enjoyed the hell out of them. Easily the best looking HD transfer I've seen. Saw a bit of Matrix 1 as well and that looked gorgeous as well.

 

[jjasper]

Warners singles out titles for restoration
By Carolyn Giardina

May 23, 2007

Plans are in the works for 4k restorations of a number of films from the Warner Bros. vault, including "Blade Runner," "Bonnie and Clyde," "Cool Hand Luke" and the Dirty Harry films "Magnum Force" and "Sudden Impact."

While launch dates have not been announced, the studio has an eye toward offering the restored titles on the two high-definition DVD formats, Blu-ray Disc and HD DVD, as well as standard-definition DVD. The "Blade Runner" release is being planned for this year, coinciding with the 25th anniversary of the film's release.

What 4k resolution offers is more picture information -- four times the amount found in today's commonly used 2k resolution.

Chris Cookson, president of Warner Bros. Technical Operations and chief technology officer of the Warner Bros. Entertainment Group, believes 4k is an important goal.

"When you are doing restoration, you want to re-create a new element to support the title for years to come," he said. "It is critical that you retain as much of the original information that the filmmaker created as possible. Unless you are willing to work at 4k, it is inevitable that you will lose a great deal of the information that was created and included in the (original) finished film.

"The 2k master has less information than the original film did," he added. "We really need to push for 4k tools in order to protect what goes into our vault for archiving."

Added Spencer Stephens, vp and GM of motion picture imaging at Warners, "I think the basic notion is (that) we owe future generations the best possible elements in the vault."

"Clyde," "Luke" and the Dirty Harry films are going through the restoration process at Stephens' motion picture imaging unit. That's an extensive operation that relies on rapidly changing technologies and processes, including scanners, film recorders, digital intermediate color grading suites and restoration and quality-control services.

The color-grading suites used for the restoration work center on Filmlight's Baselight color-correction system. The prime restoration tool in the facility is MTI's Correct system. A temperature-controlled vault is on site.

For "Blade Runner," Warner Bros. scanned the original negative in 4k.

 

[ManaByte]

So that means we can expect another Blade Runner HD release after this October's 25th Anniversary HD release.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

I think they're saying that the 25th Anniversary release *will* be 4K. (New term, never heard that before.)

In any case, I am happy that they're going back to the negative for some of these movies for the HD release.

 

[TAJ]

I would say that its very possible, King Kong hit a peak bandwidth of 15 according to amir, and a chunk of that was dedicated to the PiP track. Granted, that film didnt have lossless audio (would have cost around another 3mbs), but if Kong which is a tier zero release can run at a peak of 15, it had to average significantly less.

Lossless English audio would only have cost another 3Mbps if it were PCM. (1.5Mbps +3Mbps =4.5Mbps, and 16-bit PCM is 4.6 Mbps)
But King Kong did have three 1.5Mbps audio tracks, which adds up to roughly twice what it would take for one 16-bit TrueHD track and significantly more bandwidth than it would take for one 24-bit TrueHD track.

 

[NomarTyme]

Toshiba HD-A2 HD-DVD Player - $250 plus Five HD DVDs. Seems like a nice deal.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000IJV4BC/ref=nosim/gottacocom-20

 

[ManaByte]

I think they're saying that the 25th Anniversary release *will* be 4K. (New term, never heard that before.)

In any case, I am happy that they're going back to the negative for some of these movies for the HD release.

The article says "plans are in the works for" not "these have been done".

 

[OmniGamer]

 

[ManaByte]

Just for reference, Superman Returns was shot with the Panavision Genesis.

 

[The Main Event]

Just for reference, Superman Returns was shot with the Panavision Genesis.

Really?

Wow, can't wait to get my 2540p HDTV.

 

[Suikoguy]

Were the special effects edited at that res?

 

[ManaByte]

Were the special effects edited at that res?

I would assume so, otherwise what's the use?

 

[Mrbob]

Really?

Wow, can't wait to get my 2540p HDTV.

Heh.

I just realize we are going to go through this same shizz like 3 or 4 more times. :/

2540P!

5240P!

HD DOESN'T BEGIN UNTIL 1029294923498I2904829842P!

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

The article says "plans are in the works for" not "these have been done".

They also say that the 25th Ann. edition is being "planned." I don't get your inference.

 

[JB1981]

Superman Returns also looks very soft on HD-DVD/Blu-ray.

I just watched the first half of Flags of our Fathers. Is it me or is MPEG-2 a damn fine codec for being so dated? The transfer is really nice. Not the best I've seen but good stuff nonetheless.

 

[pel1300]

This is like the 3rd or 4th time I have had to explain this, so listen up.

For movie-based content, if you have a good television with a good deinterlacer, there is no real difference between 1080i and 1080p. And both are better than 720p. This is because for movies, a 1080i signal can be converted to a 1080p signal without any loss at all. Frankly, the 2x resolution difference between 1080i/p and 720p is pretty large, too.

If you say that movies at 1080i look worse than movies at 720p on your set, there can be only one conclusion. Your TV sucks. (It's OK, a lot of sets do suck.) It's a bummer that the PS3 won't output 720p for Blu-ray movies to compensate for your TV's inadequacy, but that doesn't magically make 720p better than 1080i for movies. (And fortunately for you, I think the HD DVD player for the 360 generally does a good job downconverting to 720p.)

So after all that condescending know-it-all talk, and the name calling, he wasn't even entirely correct :lol

 

[Crayon Shinchan]

Heh.

I just realize we are going to go through this same shizz like 3 or 4 more times. :/

2540P!

5240P!

HD DOESN'T BEGIN UNTIL 1029294923498I2904829842P!

At those sorts of resolutions... resolution isn't the issue, camera focus is.

Some one will come up with a metric, like discernable discrete pixel elements per square inch to measure how sharp something is and the rest of us will start talking about it like its the bees knees.

Seriously though... at those resolutions, you better get yourself at least a 100" Projector screen, and maybe 200" for the even highest res one, because you're not going notice a difference otherwise.

 

[The Main Event]

Superman Returns also looks very soft on HD-DVD/Blu-ray.

I just watched the first half of Flags of our Fathers. Is it me or is MPEG-2 a damn fine codec for being so dated? The transfer is really nice. Not the best I've seen but good stuff nonetheless.

Because it isn't MPEG-2

AVC encoding with the highest bitrate yet on a HD disc if I'm not mistaken.

 

[JB1981]

Because it isn't MPEG-2

AVC encoding with the highest bitrate yet on a HD disc if I'm not mistaken.

i just checked and you are correct!

I thought Paramount was only doing MPEG-2 releases? Good to see they've moved on.

Kingdom of Heaven still looks incredible recorded in MPEG-2, though.

 

[Kleegamefan]

Some new Blu ray reviews:

Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest:

http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/piratesofthecaribbeandeadmanschest.html

I watched 'Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest' immediately after 'Curse of the Black Pearl,' and it was a very tough act to follow. As I gushed in my review, 'Pearl' looks fantastic in Blu-ray. Happily, when it comes to picture quality, 'Dead Man's Chest' is every bit 'Pearl's equal -- in fact, it's even a bit more impressive in some respects. Though both films share a completely consistent visual look, 'Dead Man's Chest' is filled with even more spectacular nighttime setpieces and all manner of squishy, half-rotted supernatural creatures. This transfer is more than up to the challenge, setting a new benchmark for detail and dimensionality.

As with 'Curse of the Black Pearl,' Disney presents 'Dead Man's Chest' in 2.35:1 widescreen and 1080p/AVC MPEG-4 video. The source is absolutely pristine, with nary a speck of dirt or blemish to be found. Film grain just doesn't seem to exist, yet this is a picture that always looks incredibly life-like and natural. Colors are beautifully rendered, from the rich orange hues of the sun-drenched exteriors to the rock solid midnight blues of the Jolly Roger. Shadow delineation is extraordinary -- every last, oozy, puss-filled tentacle of Davy Jones is visible. Whatever its other virtues, 'Dead Man's Chest,' is a tour de force of production design and seamless integration of CGI, and both are done massively proud here.

This disc is also a great test case for the considerable upgrade Blu-ray can offer over standard-def DVD. Though the standard-def transfer of 'Dead Man's Chest' was certainly superior to the noisy, edgy 'Curse of the Black Pearl' DVD, both are blown out of the water by their high-def counterparts. Depth is never less than eye-popping -- I don't think a single shot in 'Dead Man's Chest' looks anything less than three-dimensional. The image is smooth, free of edge enhancement and other obnoxious digital processing tricks, and contrast is not at all jacked up resulting in blown-out whites or lessened fine detail. In short, 'Dead Man's Chest' is the kind of top-tier next-gen presentation we all hope for when a studio unleashes a highly-anticipated blockbuster title on high-def.

Flags of our father.....Blu-ray AVC version superior to HD-DVD VC1 version (oh snap!)

http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/flagsofourfathers.html

Presented in 1080p with the AVC MPEG-4 codec, this Blu-ray release release of 'Flags of Our Fathers' boasts a stunning picture quality that captures every nuance and detail of the film. The dark shadows of the battlefield have excellent black levels and shadow delineation, adding a nice level of dimension to the picture. Contrast levels and vivid colors also inject a natural sense of depth (even when the palette is muted during the washed out battle scenes). Fine object detail is phenomenal -- bullets kick up flecks of rock and dirt, individual fingers can be clearly counted on soldiers in the distance, and the textures of uniforms, netting, and stubble are wonderful. Skintones are warm but realistic in the American scenes and purposefully bleached during the battle scenes. The source is never a problem -- there's a light grain that never distracts, and I couldn't find any instances of artifacting, crush issues, or noise.

I found only two minor issues with the visual presentation. First, there are a couple of instances of faint color banding in the gray skies during the Battle of Iwo Jima. However, I was staring at key areas of the screen just to see if the problem would pop up. Most people won't catch the banding at all and it certainly didn't detract from this extremely impressive video presentation. Second, some of the seams of the special effects are exposed by the high-def presentation. This isn't the fault of the transfer per se, and with time I'm sure that the effects houses will catch up with the heightened scrutiny that comes with high definition.

As has become customary with Paramount releases, 'Flags of our Fathers' comes with different encodes depending on which next-gen format you prefer. In a side by side comparison of the film between the the AVC MPEG-4 transfer on this Blu-ray version and the VC-1 transfer on the HD DVD, it does seem that the Blu-ray/AVC encode is the tiniest bit sharper, while the HD DVD/VC-1 is the slightest bit softer. Neither is an advantage to my eyes and each encode is identical otherwise -- fans of both camps should be ecstatic to see this film looking so good.

*runs away*

 

[The Main Event]

Some new Blu ray reviews:

Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest:

http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/piratesofthecaribbeandeadmanschest.html



Flags of our father.....Blu-ray AVC version superior to HD-DVD VC1 version (oh snap!)

http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/flagsofourfathers.html




*runs away*

Neither is an advantage to my eyes and each encode is identical otherwise -- fans of both camps should be ecstatic to see this film looking so good.

:lol

I got both Iwo Jima and FooF on HD DVD. Will probably get it tomorrow or Friday.

 

[SRG01]

News for Blu-Ray fans: PS3 1.8 FW gives 720p for Blu-Ray playback.