Pejo
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I fucking love callbacks like this.
Horizon: Zero Dawn confirmed for PC
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M1chl
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Yeah sure, they hardly make money off the HW.
Nickolaidas
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VFXVeteran was mostly bashed for his mustard-race statements like 'HZD on the PC could look better than HZD2 on the PS5'.Our Sony warriors seem to owe vfx an apology after all the bashing.
Notice they said they will be open minded to experimenting in the future. Killzone next to pc????
Hobbygaming
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I doubt it. Hulst even says they are still dedicated to hardware, he knows they have to have reasons to buy a PlayStation
MMaRsu
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lol
diffusionx
Gold Member
I still think Sony cares about selling hardware, it's in their blood. But it's a fact that people who play games on the PC aren't going to buy a console to play console games. It just doesn't happen. You might as well put the games on PC for that audience and I think they will do it more and more.
nah. Most gamers have such a huge backlog. They can just wait and get it cheap on steam with all the patches, all DLCs, best performance etc.
I mean most Sony games are single player only anyway, Horizon, Death Stranding, GoT, Last of Us Part 2 etc.
It's not like a multiplayer game where you have to be there DAY ONE for all the multiplayer population.
single player games can be played whenever.
actually, it can even be beneficial to wait, you get it much cheaper, all the patches, DLC in a definitive/ complete Edition Etc.
So, you can easily wait for those.
this is what I'm going to do for sure. It has a lot of advantages.
M1chl
Currently Gif and Meme Champion
It would have been really stupid to deflate hype of PS5 to say "From now on, PS5 games going to be also on PC". Will see, but at this point it would be just bad PR.
Psykodad
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Probably by the time people remember XSX is a thing after todays news.
Dee Dah Dave
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Correct move. Putting games on PC doesn't do squat to console hardware sales. Or if it does it isn't anything significant or damaging to the business as a whole.
Hobbygaming
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People are hoping but I don't see this happening
octiny
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CatLady
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nikolino840
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Don't you like the consoles world or how Sony manage the PlayStation hardware or services?
Psykodad
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Lol not at all.
I'll let you enjoy the news. You're in for another rough gen, so savor this moment.
Hobbygaming
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I've never had an issue with games going to PC, I'm just looking at this from Sony's perspective and what Hermen said
daninthemix
Member
Personally I feel he was talking about broadening people's exposure to PlayStation the brand, not PlayStation the hardware.
I don't seriously expect they think they'll increase future hardware sales by doing this.
And if they do, they're nuts.
GymWolf
Member
Yeah of course but just think in those terms: you think that horizon 2 after 3 years of development is gonna be good like horizon 2 after 5-6 years in development??
If there is an absolute fact in gaming development is that money and time are always good things for devs, i just don't want another killzone4\infamous3 case, give devs all the time in the world for their giant and ambitious games.
I mean, sometimes even with a lot of time the game can come out shitty, but thats mostly the case with people like bethesda or modern square or modern bioware and some others, if sony gives 5-6 years to guerrilla i'm pretty sure that they are well utilized and not squandered.
ethomaz
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I don't know most of time with Horizon was the Decima engine, no? I'm just guessing... there is not way to know.
octiny
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Hobbygaming
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If this was the case he probably wouldn't have mentioned that not every game will go to PC
nowhat
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It's pretty much been confirmed (check the NoClip documentary for example). HZD took 5+ years to make, but much of it was spent on the engine/concepting with a skeleton crew (and the tools, you can't ignore the tools).
But at its current state Decima/the associated toolset seems quite mature. Case in point, Death Stranding - a quite short development time in AAA terms.
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Heimdall_Xtreme
Hermen Hulst Fanclub's #1 Member
Sony you have to Bring GRAVITY RUSH 1 AND 2 IN PC!!!
I WOULD BUY IT AGAIN... AND GIFT TO PEOPLE VIA STEAM.
JUST DO ITTTTTT
I WOULD BUY IT AGAIN... AND GIFT TO PEOPLE VIA STEAM.
JUST DO ITTTTTT
GymWolf
Member
Look, gta5 and rdr2 are on the rage engine or something similar from the old ping pong rockstar game, so they already have the engine ready, they still utilize 5-8 years for a single game to make them bigger and more ambitious.
Even if guerrilla has already the engine, you can utilize the time and money for a shitload of other things to make the game better.
More dinobot, more optimization, better facial animation for the npcs, more weapon, more story, more sidequest, more and better everything basically, no dev is ever gonna tell you that less time and money are better, like not even the crazy ones
An ambitious gigantic game like horizon 2 in 3 years is not exactly optimal from my point of view.
Like i said, they already ruined infamous and probably killzone with 2 rushed for launch titles.
Maybe because i'm a huge horizon fan, but i absolutely don't want something similar for horizon 2, i'm ready to wait YEARS to play the absolute best version of that game.
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Heimdall_Xtreme
Hermen Hulst Fanclub's #1 Member
Ok for spider man. But im interesting in Gravity rush.Play Batman, imagine yourself Bruce wears a Spidey costume and there you go
I dont fucking care If God of war or Bloodborne coming to PC. Just give me Gravity Rush in my veins
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ethomaz
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Yeap. I thought that Kojima with all trouble to open a new study, hire people, manage, etc ended delivering Death Stranding really fast.
nowhat
Member
What's your role in it?
ethomaz
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I don't think Rockstar really take that much time to develop their games.Look, gta5 and rdr2 are on the rage engine or something similar from the old ping pong rockstar game, so they already have the engine ready, they still utilize 5-8 years for a single game to make them bigger and more ambitious.
Even if guerrilla has already the engine, you can utilize the time and money for a shitload of other things to make the game better.
More dinobot, more optimization, more weapon, more story, more sidequest, more and better everything basically, no dev is ever gonna tell you that less time and money are better, like not even the crazy ones
An ambitious gigantic game like horizon 2 in 3 years is not exactly optimal from my point of view.
Like i said, they already ruined infamous and probably killzone with 2 rushed for launch titles.
Maybe because i'm a huge horizon fan, but i absolutely don't want something similar for horizon 2, i'm ready to wait YEARS to play the absolute best version of that game.
Or maybe they put small team for most of time of development.
It just like they are fine with that release schedule with the massive sales.
It is a case of study btw because Rockstat with one game can sell the same as several yearly CoD.
Two big success with different release schedules.
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daninthemix
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Very refreshing to hear that.
Most fanboys are constantly whining and asking why there isn't a new game announced in their favorite franchise every six months.
S0ULZB0URNE
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"And to maybe put a few minds at ease, releasing one first-party AAA title to PC doesn't necessarily mean that every game now will come to PC "
VFXVeteran
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Pejo
Member
Man I never thought about that. I have some weird feeling that the Gravity Rush games would do so well on PC. Man I miss logging in to 2 and doing treasure hunts.Sony you have to Bring GRAVITY RUSH 1 AND 2 IN PC!!!
I WOULD BUY IT AGAIN... AND GIFT TO PEOPLE VIA STEAM.
JUST DO ITTTTTT
GymWolf
Member
I can assure you that every guy with 2 neurons in their brain don't want a fucking rushed games from their favourite saga, i'm just more vocal compared to others
nowhat
Member
In no small part due to
(as a TL;DW - pretty much all of the vegetation, animals and even ambient noises are procedurally generated, the tech is quite amazing)
See above - I, too, want HZD 2 to shake up things a bit, as much as I enjoyed the original. And to be the absolutely best version Guerrilla can deliver. But something like demonstrated in that video, it takes a long time to get right. However, once it's there, it can really speed up the development process, with no hit to quality.
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GymWolf
Member
Rdr2 was in development for 8-9 years with far more than 1000 people working on it.
And that game is the foster child for ambitious and full of microdetails videogames, time and money are very important to achieve that.
More time is always better, there is no other way around, horizon 2 after 3 years and after 5 years is not gonna be the same game, i just want the t years version and not the rushed one.
GymWolf
Member
There is always a dip in quality if you don't have enough time to make every single elements perfect.
It's basic logic from my point of view, more time in the oven = berter game.
Heimdall_Xtreme
Hermen Hulst Fanclub's #1 Member
No role. Its just passion. Im a huge fan of the saga. Support it for many sequels I want and more people know the saga
nowhat
Member
Ehh, up to a point. But what you'd have rather (really, I suggest you watch the video) - that designers meticulously place every single tree, bush and piece of grass in place. Or that the tech allows designers to just basically paint an area with a "tree brush" (or a "bush brush", or a "path brush", or what have you) and the procedural generation does the rest. I think it's a worthy tradeoff. Especially considering HZD already does this.
Heimdall_Xtreme
Hermen Hulst Fanclub's #1 Member
Me too.
And for me I will be happy If come the games in PC.
And not only that. Because I love the games... I will gift to my spectadors in Stream gaming.
nowhat
Member
...you completely missed the joke. You said you are "interesting in Gravity Rush", which would imply you are in the game. (what you want to use is "interested in")
VFXVeteran
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"And to maybe put a few minds at ease, releasing one first-party AAA title to PC doesn't necessarily mean that every game now will come to PC "
Sorry guys. I was ridiculed, disrespected, flamed, etc.. for being a "fake" insider who had an agenda. I told myself I wouldn't leak on these boards anymore. You guys will have to wait for the official news. And there are more exclusives coming. Don't fall for that "excuse" as to why they are developing on the PC. If you go back and look at all of my past posts, you will see a pattern as well as plenty of clues as to what's coming on the horizon.
masterwizy
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will buy it on a 5 euro sale
SleepDoctor
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Im not a pc guy but thats probably not that farfetched. Consoles are always playing catch up to pc specs.
I bet the next gen specs would probably be surpassed by the time the consoles release compared to pc.
ethomaz
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DeepEnigma
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Yeah, that was pure fanatical idiocy, but he was right about it coming to the PC.
Let's hope he isn't about the two tiered PS5.
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DeepEnigma
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It can't be salt if you baited him into posting that. Come on, this isn't everyone's first forum rodeo.