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Horizon: Zero Dawn | Review Thread
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Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
Not a peep about it If there is. They deserve some props for that
NathanDiego
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The Witcher 3 couldn't exist last gen,see the Witcher 1/2 so no way could make 97
but I understand what you trying to say and Skyrim is overrated as hell too
Gradly
Member
Yea cuz it seems like a finished complete on a disk experience which is something we barely see these days
I assume they do something like Naughty Dog/Sucker Punch and make standalone expansions instead of small DLCs.
ajanke
Member
That and a tiny day one patch. They really did a good job.
Gradly
Member
It's ~ 250MB, right?! That's nothing my friend lol
DriftingSpirit
Member
This seems to be a far less bloated and streamlined RPG. It might be more manageable for you.Too bad, because Kotaku's review sounds as if it could have been 8-9/10 easily.
Personally, I was never really convinced about getting this, primarily because I just don't have time and patience for open world RPG games, but since my son expressed interest in playing this, I'll be getting it day one
7DollarHagane
Banned
I don't like complaining about reviews opinions and I've been avoiding reviews but that usgamer 50% score seems ridiculous.
I don't need a consensus but this is clearly not a 50% game.
I don't need a consensus but this is clearly not a 50% game.
onemanasylum
Banned
Drugs can help.
Reading that US Gamer review was...interesting. She doesn't like the repetitive nature of the side missions, doesn't like Aloy being sarcastic, doesn't like the story, but likes the open world aspect of the game, controls, and graphics. And overall calls it disappointing. I'm not sure how that relates to a 5/10 but, yeah, opinions and stuff. Really glad, though, that the game is otherwise very well received.
And then I read Giant Bomb's review and I'm wondering what's with US Gamer.
Super pumped for this game!
And then I read Giant Bomb's review and I'm wondering what's with US Gamer.
Super pumped for this game!
randomengine
Banned
Let me preface my remarks by stating that I am not going to impugn the quality of a game I haven't played. Horizon could very well be a very good game.
However, looking at my own history, my own measure of my absolutely favorite and best games, compared against their review and metacritic scores......there is absolutely no correlation between high review scores and games that I enjoy.
I have played games with 90+ metacritic that I absolutely hated - Bioshock Infinite
My favorite game of all time - Binding of Isaac: Rebirth has...
an 88 Metacritic for PS4
a 78 Metacritic on 3DS (despite being the exact same game - a 10 pt difference)
and a no-score on the Wii U version because there weren't enough professional reviewers of that version to muster 4 whole reviews.
We typically get PS4-only reviews despite the fact that a lot of games (not this one) release on Xbox One as well. For those games that get reviewed on both, typically one system is favored over another.
This is just a long way of saying I simply don't trust reviews anymore. You simply cannot trust an aggregate. Too much sociological and herd bias. Find a reviewer your trust, learn their taste and measure their review accordingly.
For example, I loved Roger Ebert when it came to film reviews. We agreed maybe 60-70%. If we agree so infrequently, why did I love reading his reviews and taking them to heart? Because I knew his biases. I knew he liked spectacle films with little substance - Jurassic Park. I knew he hated films that were exploitative - he had a soft spot. All these known biases, helped me determine if I would like a film if he liked it. With aggregates you miss all of that.
My favorite game of all time before Binding of Isaac: Rebirth was Guardian Heroes for the Sega Saturn. A cult classic for sure, but it didn't light the charts or the reviews on fire. Mystaria is another. I liked GTA III and GTA: Vice City, but hated San Andreas, GTA IV and have yet to play V because of my declining interest in it. Yet, the series is just "The best game ever" with 90+ metacritic.
My own personal history and favorite games ever would never have been experienced if I followed the reviews. Which is to say, as an aggregate I don't believe games are reviewed properly. The culture has it all wrong.
However, looking at my own history, my own measure of my absolutely favorite and best games, compared against their review and metacritic scores......there is absolutely no correlation between high review scores and games that I enjoy.
I have played games with 90+ metacritic that I absolutely hated - Bioshock Infinite
My favorite game of all time - Binding of Isaac: Rebirth has...
an 88 Metacritic for PS4
a 78 Metacritic on 3DS (despite being the exact same game - a 10 pt difference)
and a no-score on the Wii U version because there weren't enough professional reviewers of that version to muster 4 whole reviews.
We typically get PS4-only reviews despite the fact that a lot of games (not this one) release on Xbox One as well. For those games that get reviewed on both, typically one system is favored over another.
This is just a long way of saying I simply don't trust reviews anymore. You simply cannot trust an aggregate. Too much sociological and herd bias. Find a reviewer your trust, learn their taste and measure their review accordingly.
For example, I loved Roger Ebert when it came to film reviews. We agreed maybe 60-70%. If we agree so infrequently, why did I love reading his reviews and taking them to heart? Because I knew his biases. I knew he liked spectacle films with little substance - Jurassic Park. I knew he hated films that were exploitative - he had a soft spot. All these known biases, helped me determine if I would like a film if he liked it. With aggregates you miss all of that.
My favorite game of all time before Binding of Isaac: Rebirth was Guardian Heroes for the Sega Saturn. A cult classic for sure, but it didn't light the charts or the reviews on fire. Mystaria is another. I liked GTA III and GTA: Vice City, but hated San Andreas, GTA IV and have yet to play V because of my declining interest in it. Yet, the series is just "The best game ever" with 90+ metacritic.
My own personal history and favorite games ever would never have been experienced if I followed the reviews. Which is to say, as an aggregate I don't believe games are reviewed properly. The culture has it all wrong.
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
^^^alright
Movie reviews: Chris Stuckmann. Best channel for movie reviews.
TheVoidDragon
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I've not actually seen much of this but the gameplay i have watch reminded me of Ubisoft open-world games, large mostly empty maps with collectables or repetitive activities scattered about. Is that not the case here, then? Looking at the quotes from reviews here it seems they don't really answer that.
#shrug
It's an obvious outlier, being the one and -only- score under 7 out of ... what, 75 reviews now? (And the lowest out of only -4- scores under 8/10).
Doesn't bother me one bit, and she is absolutely entitled to her opinion (visibly neither the game or the protag clicked with her) but I actually feel bad for her because I can't imagine the kind of comments/ tweets/ emails she got for it. I hope she didn't receive ridiculous threats, but if the past is any indication of how things go... I do feel bad for her.
So basically... You don't like the fact this game got excellent reviews?
The 3ds version had more bugs and performance issues.
Man, just play what you like then, damn.
It's not the case. Well maybe a little in terms of repetitiveness, everything else, nah.
onemanasylum
Banned
LOL. Man this game being good bothers peeps.
Why does it seem like FOREEEEEEVER before I get to play this still. Come on time....hurry up.
I'm almost done with Uncharted 4 (literally right at the end of it). I do have Halo Wars 2 to get through...so maybe I'll finish it in the mean time. Just got Gears 4 in the mail, but I'll probably put it to the side and play Horizon first.
I'm almost done with Uncharted 4 (literally right at the end of it). I do have Halo Wars 2 to get through...so maybe I'll finish it in the mean time. Just got Gears 4 in the mail, but I'll probably put it to the side and play Horizon first.
almost makes me wish the review embargo was like 2-3 days before the game. This will be a long wait
randomengine
Banned
Where do you get that idea?
I am saying review aggregates are meaningless and filled with sociological and cultural bias. They won't remove bias, they amplify them.
Nioh is only 1 pt off with an 87. I am sure there is a world of difference between the two games that cannot be explained by a 1 pt difference.
I am not shitting on any specific game in general, just the process of aggregate reviews.
You've admitted several times on this forum you are going "Nintendo only" from now on. Instead of looking at reviewer bias and herd mentality you should probably look inward and ask yourself why you felt the need to post this for a game you have no intention of playing.
Nope. No season pass or anything coming. Game is 'complete'.
BlackBuzzard
Banned
randomengine
Banned
I think reading is not your strong suit. The quality of the game doesn't bother me. Good games existing doesn't bother me, what a strange idea. Using an aggregate review score to measure a game is what bothers me as it has lead to failure in the past. They are not indicative of game quality.
Play the games you like. Read the individual reviewers you like, trust, and know their biases.
MegaSackman
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But I don't like Binding of Isaac and I love Jurassic Park... what do I do now? :/
Oh yeah, sure, I think many of us knows this. Oh and great games aren't lost, it's a weird case when that happens.
CopperPuppy
Member
Any gameplay footage of Meridian out there?
The_Hitcher89
Member
Racist.
A game you have no intention of playing getting a good score obviously does bother you. Do you really expect anyone to believe you will be posting things like this in the Zelda review thread? lol?
onemanasylum
Banned
Your post history tells it all, you are transparent. It's OK, I'll play Horizon and Zelda, best of both worlds.
MegaSackman
Member
Nope, I believe they're not.
TimeEffect
Member
Looking at the tons of 8/10s, it seems the narrative/tropes have shortcomings, but the higher scores seem to weigh the combat above it.
So for a sequel, I hope they properly learn from their mistakes and really expand on the narrative. Seems they can do just that if they hire the right people, and so Im expecting the sequel to be even bigger.
For a first effort, and for a game out of their genre, the scores are astonishingly strong, and I bet the sales will be too. But this also means Horizon 2 will do even better, and maybe Horizon 3 on PS5 will be a guaranteed reliable hit if GG makes a launch title.
It's awesome to see GG become a juggernaut for Sony.
So for a sequel, I hope they properly learn from their mistakes and really expand on the narrative. Seems they can do just that if they hire the right people, and so Im expecting the sequel to be even bigger.
For a first effort, and for a game out of their genre, the scores are astonishingly strong, and I bet the sales will be too. But this also means Horizon 2 will do even better, and maybe Horizon 3 on PS5 will be a guaranteed reliable hit if GG makes a launch title.
It's awesome to see GG become a juggernaut for Sony.
Blackleg-sanji1
Banned
What's the point of coming into a review thread to say I don't trust reviews...It happens so often its mind boggling
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
This is Guerilla Games' TLOU moment, when they announce themselves on the world stage as a world class developer.
Because not only is this a great game, it's technically a new bar. Something that TLOU didn't do at the time of release for sure. So it's something special in that regard.
Because not only is this a great game, it's technically a new bar. Something that TLOU didn't do at the time of release for sure. So it's something special in that regard.
TheExhaustedWalrus
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Why does this have to come out in a week? It's a relatively short time but I wanna dive in to this game. At least the week after it releases is spring break.
Lmao right, I always laugh because people seem to genuinely think they're gonna sway people overnight
randomengine
Banned
I live in a household. I am not a single "forever alone" gamer. I have a wife and child. I own a PS4, Xbox One, and Wii U (incl. 3DS, Vita, PS3, and soon to be Switch). I also have a gaming-capable PC.
*I* am going Nintendo only. However, my wife continues to play Playstation games. They are her systems and if she wants a game, I research and purchase it for her. She is currently playing through the Mass Effect Trilogy.
My son and I on the other hand are Nintendo-only. He only seems interested in Nintendo, so he can play Playstation all he wants, he just chooses not to.
Since my wife is a big fan of Tomb Raider (the sole reason I bought an Xbox One for her the Christmas Rise of the Tomb Raider was released), Horizon seemed like a good fit for her. That means I have to research the game, evaluate whether she will enjoy it. She isn't a core gamer like me.
With my vast experience, 30 years of gaming, on almost all of the systems, I can say that if I followed only aggregate review scores for games, I would have missed out on many of my absolute favorite games over the years.
Maybe it's ok for someone to point that out. The game could still be really good - I have no idea, I haven't played it. But no need to get salty just because I am making a valid point based on decades of my own experience.
randomengine
Banned
Dig deeper. I've been writing and commenting on review score bias for years.
I know right
Jeronimo Jones
Member
Looking great, even though I was going to see for myself. Excited to try this out soon, good on Guerilla for trying something new and seemingly reaching new heights.
onemanasylum
Banned
Maybe you should write on your own? You writing and commenting doesn;t change a thing.
They probably only liked 2/3rds of GTAV, too.
In fact the story seems to be one of the game's highlights. Which is amazing since I think we all expected this aspect of the game being nothing special.
Most reviewers are praising the story and the character. John Gonzales is the man!
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