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Horizon: Zero Dawn | Review Thread
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Bloodborne 2. 🙏🏼
You don't have to wait long tbh. Zelda or Odyssey will very likely reach that mark this year.
spazchicken
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As someone who has limited gaming time and will have to play one and save the other for later, I welcome the comparisons and opinions.
Horizon v Zelda isn't even a competition. By every metric, Zelda is going to come out on top.
For reviews you're comparing:
A new IP from first time open world devs vs one of the most beloved and nostalgic IP in all of gaming.
For sales you're comparing:
Sales of a new IP in a season crowded by other well reviewing exclusives and massive third party franchises vs the only AAA launch title on a brand new console.
And in the end, the amount of people that will own both a switch at launch and already own a PS4 is so low, that there is no direct competition apart from fanboy ammo.
For reviews you're comparing:
A new IP from first time open world devs vs one of the most beloved and nostalgic IP in all of gaming.
For sales you're comparing:
Sales of a new IP in a season crowded by other well reviewing exclusives and massive third party franchises vs the only AAA launch title on a brand new console.
And in the end, the amount of people that will own both a switch at launch and already own a PS4 is so low, that there is no direct competition apart from fanboy ammo.
elshoelace
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Wow, great scores, going to have to pick this up after I finish Nioh, but Zelda is so close!
Polygonal_Sprite
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Where in my post did I say it was a bad average? I commented on the fact that he was acting like BotW getting a higher mc score was impossible. Considering the past Zelda scores, 88 isn't out of reach by any means. As I said I expect BotW to get around a 90.
Anyway, I'm hyped to play Horizon going on these reviews, my Pro is ready!
nelsonroyale
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Well put. Narrative is another aspect. Zelda games always had charming stories, but there are usually pretty minimal and also fairly conservative. Simplicity doesn't mean bad however, quite the opposite. But not necessarily memorable either. Zelda games are simply memorable experiences. I expect there to be more story in Horizon than Zelda, although the newest Zelda trailer at least seem very intriguing (aside from Zelda herself seeming a very typical damsel in distress - hopefully, it will prove me wrong).
Lifelong - Visually Horizon obviously is far above Zelda, so I wouldn't say every metric, even if I did have a bias towards Zelda (which I obviously don't, though I like the series well enough).
miller.skippins
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I cancelled my switch preorder (from amazon jp) and preordered horizon on PSN instead.....So I am one of those..
onemanasylum
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Yeah, not going to happen. Zelda is not a huge seller you know right?
...its sad that its expected that people will shitpsot about the other company's game / compete about who got the bigger score
How was that not clear?
tiredheadcrab
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Okay well reviews look stellar. I am pre ordering the Digital.
onemanasylum
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Horizon has a very good chance to outsell it, were does this notion that Zelda is some massive Ip sales wise? 2-4 million is usually what they sell. Horizon could easily surpass 5 mill
I can obviously only speak for myself but there are a couple of reasons.
1. The only Killzone title I've played is Shadowfall, which is also their latest game. I'd go as far as to call it awful (the singleplayer that is, I have no interest in multiplayer). Really struggled to finish it, it looked pretty but that was about all it had going for it.
2. It's a new IP. While that is always exciting it's also not unusual for the first game in a series, which I assume this will be, to be lacking. Assassin's Creed, Watchdogs and Uncharted, to name just a few which I didn't care for all that much or in the case of Watchdogs actively disliked. It's just extremely difficult to build a new game from the ground up and nail it right away. GG also doesn't really have any experience in this genre so that certainly doesn't help.
3. It is hard to tell a great story in an open world setting. Few games have managed this and I often feel like the open world is holding the narrative back. The most recent example that comes to mind would be Dragon Age Inquisition. I still enjoyed my time with that game but I was also severly disappointed by how it was structured and how little most areas mattered in the context of the plot. While Horizon didn't really have a bad showing I also haven't seen much story stuff and since that part is extremely important to me it could have easily gone either way.
4. General open world fatigue. I don't think I need to elaborate what I mean by that. I'm pretty much done with games like Far Cry that end up turning into a race from one icon on the map to the next. Jim Sterling mentioned how Horizon does not fall into this trap in his review and I was happy to read that but given that a lot of the footage we've seen showed similar open world tropes or whatever you want to call them, like crafting and climbing stuff to reveal the map, I don't think it's unreasonable to be worried about it.
I'm glad that it seems like most of my concerns aren't actually an issue but I'm still surprised it turned out as well as it did.
Primethius
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I don't know. I don't think there will be a huge overlap between the bases. I'm sure there will be some but not a lot.
Just personally, despite being super hyped for Zelda, I'm not getting it remotely near launch. Can't justify spending $300+ for one game when Q1 is stacked on one of my platforms alone.
Blackleg-sanji1
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We have ppl in the impressions thread saying it runs and look greatLooks really promising. Any info on how the game performs on a standard PS4 or did all of the reviewers only use Pro?
Because, aside from one or two trolls, it's not what's happening. And because the post you were responding to was made in response to a much more general statement - one that implied Zelda shouldn't really be brought up in here at all.
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And again, you bring up "other companies". A lot of gamers don't think in terms of brand loyalty, system wars shit. I know I don't. Zelda is a fan favourite property, and Horizon is a promising new IP. Both are similar in some respects - meaty, open world games - and both are likely to be above a certain quality. It's no surprise people are excited for, and comparing both - especially in light of the coinciding release dates.
There's no question whether Horizon is going to lose sales or not, but now there's definitely hope that it won't be a "trampling" but maybe instead a "pushed down a bit" kind of situation.
pharmboy044
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Is metacritic missing a few review scores?
30yearsofhurt
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I was scrolling OP a long time before I saw something less than a 9. I wasn't expecting that.
Pai Pai Master
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Omg I didn't expect these reviews..Too many good games lol fuck
According to kinda funny the regular PS4 looked great as well. You can watch a DF analysis in a few days (before friday), and today we should get a frame rate analysis.Looks really promising. Any info on how the game performs on a standard PS4 or did all of the reviewers only use Pro?
Lifejumper
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Digital Chumps?
Looks really promising. Any info on how the game performs on a standard PS4 or did all of the reviewers only use Pro?
DF should have a video up later, but early impressions are good and apparently the standard version only really lags behind in some cutscenes.
Triggerhappytel
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This doesn't make sense no matter how many times I read it.
Looks really promising. Any info on how the game performs on a standard PS4 or did all of the reviewers only use Pro?
It runs well on standard but there is some more pop in and less AF on base ps4.
To be honest, not to me as well. But it atleast different from what they used to do for a long time!!!
Tal Shiar Agent
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Which wants to bet the userscore will be littered with neo-nazis hating on the game because the player character is a properly dressed woman?
Ubisoft games have you Hunting Dino likes mechs?Please point out the game Sire.The World solely is drastically different from any other game.
onemanasylum
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Yep, this generates a lot of excitement, something new and it is now a new tent pole for Sony to push their ecosystem. Keeps things fresh.
Best to ignore them he had his mind up as soon as he saw someone else say Ubisoft somewhere and ran with it.
Spartancarver
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The absolute instant I see a good price on a 55 inch OLED with good input lag, I will be pulling the trigger for that, a PS4 Pro, and this game.
Well done, GG
Well done, GG
Silent Chief
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I've been holding a pre-order since the game was announced and I couldn't be happier with the scores.
Same. I haven't even had a chance to play Nioh yet!
metalslimer
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But really though everyone should be happy when a new IP hits it out of the park. Thank God killzone is dead. Sorry KZ fans
Blackleg-sanji1
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At this point it's not even wise to respond to the ubisoft crap anymore
Savantcore
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Reminds me of when OPM UK gave God of War a 9/10. Widespread cries of 'Flop!' because it didn't get a perfect score in an official PlayStation magazine, but if it did get a perfect 10 then it's just dismissed as obvious bias. Mah!
Peroroncino
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I'd bet that most negativity is gonna come from the fact that it's an exclusive.
He said 'ubisoft-ish', clearly signifying that he meant the overall feel, not something specific as enemies.
As for your question, Far Cry: Blood Dragon, you even had a bow.
SlasherJPC
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I don't care about scores personally but again it's all about the reviewer and and context. Like Stevior rated sniper elite 4 and halos wars 2, higher then Horizon. Maybe the reviewer just enjoyed those better? Or digitally downloaded for example rated NIOH 100 but some folks can't stand those difficult games while others love em. My point is just try not to get upset at scores. GG did a great job making a new franchise, in a new genre they have never touched before and in the process released one of the sweetest open world games yet.
onemanasylum
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Not really at all.....Again Zelda is not as big as you think it is.
I think he's referencing that it's a huge departure from all the past GoWs, and that outside of Kratos it's all new for the team.
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