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[theignoramus]

The Saudis behead Indonesian maid convicted of murder (not to excuse murder, but the Gulf region is NOTORIOUS for treating its Asian guest workers appallingly...) Indonesia recalls ambassador, bans its citizens from working in Saudi Arabia

http://english.aljazeera.net/video/asia-pacific/2011/06/2011620194012791532.html

Indonesia has recalled its ambassador to Saudi Arabia in response to the execution of an Indonesian maid who was convicted of murdering her Saudi employer.

The maid's beheading has sparked protests in Jakarta and calls for an explanation from Riyadh.

In the past 20 years, a total of 303 migrant workers from Indonesia have been sentenced to death in Saudi Arabia.

Indonesia has managed to help only 12 of its citizens escape execution.

Al Jazeera's Syarina Hasi-buan reports from Jakarta.

Indonesia has barred its citizens from travelling to Saudi Arabia to work, amid a spat with Riyadh over the beheading of an Indonesian maid in the kingdom for alleged murder.

Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono, the Indonesian president, on Thursday condemned the beheading and accused Riyadh of breaking the "norms and manners" of international relations.

"I decided to apply a moratorium on sending Indonesian workers to Saudi Arabia, to be in effect on August 1, but starting from today, steps toward this have begun" he said in a live TV address.

The moratorium will apply "until Indonesia and Saudi Arabia can come to an agreement to give rights necessary for Indonesian workers," he added.

He said Jakarta was considering applying a similar ban to other Gulf states where human rights activists say migrant workers also face abuse and exploitation.

Yudhoyono's comments reflect Indonesia's growing anger over the abuse and maltreatment that many of its citizens have to endure while working in the Gulf countries.

Ruyati binti Sapubi, 54, was executed by sword after being convicted of murdering her Saudi employer, Khairiya bint Hamid Mijlid, with a meat cleaver for not being granted leave to visit home.

Furious over her execution, Jakarta has recalled its ambassaor to Saudi Arabia for "consultations".

The execution also prompted calls from Indonesian rights activists for the scrapping of the death penalty. Indonesia carries out executions by firing squad.

There are about 1.2 million Indonesian migrant workers in Saudi Arabia, most of them working as maids, who are a valuable source of foreign exchange reserves and help reduce unemployment in Southeast Asia's leading economy.

Twenty-three Indonesians currently face execution in Saudi Arabia, where people convicted of murder are beheaded in public.

lock if old,etc

 

[Neuromancer]

So did she do it?

 

[mre]

There are about 1.2 million Indonesian migrant workers in Saudi Arabia, most of them working as maids, who are a valuable source of foreign exchange reserves and help reduce unemployment in Southeast Asia's leading economy.

This is going to be a problem for both Saudi Arabia and Indonesia.

 

[speculawyer]

A meat cleaver and and now a sword.

Wow.

 

[Devolution]

So did she do it?

amid a spat with Riyadh over the beheading of an Indonesian maid in the kingdom for alleged murder.

Not looking good. Are poorer classes not even given a trial?

 

[TL4E]

Don't go working in a barbaric regime if you don't want to be subject to its barbaric laws.

 

[Lamel]

The beheading is so barbaric...smh Saudi Arabia. If she actually committed the murder (which I assume so), why not lock her up?

What a terrible thing to do, especially for relations between the two nations.

 

[mre]

Not looking good. Are poorer classes not even given a trial?

Indonesia has recalled its ambassador to Saudi Arabia in response to the execution of an Indonesian maid who was convicted of murdering her Saudi employer.

You can question whether or not she had a fair trial, but she was, at least, "convicted."

 

[LQX]

In this day and age is anyone really ignorant to the fact if you do a crime in a of all places Saudi Arabia that the justice their will be swift? I think not.

Also in Indonesia she would have either been canned or stoned to death so a swift death many might see as better...for the lack of better words.

 

[idwl]

Have they given any reasons why she 'murdered' in the first place? I've heard stories of some being raped,abused etc. Not surprised that she would go to such extreme measures. Some people in the mid east treat their servants like slaves.

Edit : 'Ruyati binti Sapubi, 54, was executed by sword after being convicted of murdering her Saudi employer, Khairiya bint Hamid Mijlid, with a meat cleaver for not being granted leave to visit home.'
Bullshit. I don't believe that at all

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

In this day and age is anyone really ignorant to the fact if you do a crime in a of all places Saudi Arabia that the justice their will be swift? I think not.

It's like smuggling heroin in Singapore.

 

[X26]

Indonesian workers seem like a good scapegoat for saudi's to use when they commit a crime

 

[diddles]

she should have known where she'd be headed when she did the crime.

 

[Lamel]

she should have known where she'd be headed when she did the crime.

2/10

 

[SolKane]

Is it acceptable for an Islamic nation to execute other Muslims?

 

[Enron]

she should have known where she'd be headed when she did the crime.

booo

 

[Jenga]

if the maid did in fact commit murder then she did deserve punishment

but nothing on the level of this barbarity

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

Fun Fact: France used the guillotine until 1982. So beheading in the West didn't end that long ago.

 

[disco]

So much of the world sickens me. I just like to sit in my living room investigating what's going on in Hyrule.

 

[victreeb3l]

if the maid did in fact commit murder then she did deserve punishment

but nothing on the level of this barbarity

yeah pretty much

however, knowing its saudi, im pretty sure she was executed for a stupid reason. this isnt the first time weve heard of maids over there being treated like slaves.

 

[Lamel]

Fun Fact: France used the guillotine until 1982. So beheading in the West didn't end that long ago.

True, but doesn't justify it either way.

Is it acceptable for an Islamic nation to execute other Muslims?

Why wouldn't it be?

 

[SolKane]

Fun Fact: France used the guillotine until 1982. So beheading in the West didn't end that long ago.

Might want to check your dates on that. Last execution in 1977, death penalty abolished in 1981 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_France).

Why wouldn't it be?

I was under the impression Islam forbids killing other Muslims.

 

[Jeels]

Also in Indonesia she would have either been canned or stoned to death so a swift death many might see as better...for the lack of better words.

No she wouldn't have been.

This is disgusting. I'd say Saudi needs to apologize, but an apology would not bring back this woman's life.

[Note: I am against the death penalty in extreme cases, but this obviously wasn't extreme and she probably was not given a fair trial.]

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

Might want to check your dates on that. Last execution in 1977, death penalty abolished in 1981 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_France).

You're right. I was thinking of around when it ended. Still only a 5 year difference.

True, but doesn't justify it either way.

I was just saying it's not the exotic form of execution some may think.

 

[Chichikov]

The beheading is so barbaric...smh Saudi Arabia. If she actually committed the murder (which I assume so), why not lock her up?

What a terrible thing to do, especially for relations between the two nations.

Why is it more barbaric than lethal injection or the electric chair?

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

Why is it more barbaric than lethal injection or the electric chair?

Well one could argue time to administer, blah, blah, but I can't say I really care either way.

 

[Alucrid]

Might want to check your dates on that. Last execution in 1977, death penalty abolished in 1981 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_France).



I was under the impression Islam forbids killing other Muslims.

I'm not sure if it does or not, regardless, Muslims still kill other Muslims.

 

[Joel Was Right]

Not sure why every execution we hear of in the Muslim world is always of a woman, even for adultery where it requires - last I checked - two people. On a related note, it'll be interesting to see how the outrage developers in Indonesia. As I wrote in another thread, executions of women in particular in Western societies are controversial often irrespective of their crimes. I wonder if it's the same in that part of the world

 

[evil solrac v3.0]

if in fact she did murder(IF) and if (IF) the law calls for the death penalty in her particular case, what is the fucking point of beheading her? and in public. i'm for the death penalty but not this barbaric crap. what does it achieve?

 

[SolKane]

I'm not sure if it does or not, regardless, Muslims still kill other Muslims.

Of course, just like Christians kill other Christians. But this is an Islamic nation killing Muslims, so I'm taking exception to what is blatant hypocrisy of the state religion. Nothing new in SA though.

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

if in fact she did murder(IF) and if (IF) the law calls for the death penalty in her particular case, what is the fucking point of beheading her? and in public. i'm for the death penalty but not this barbaric crap. what does it achieve?

Public deterrent and entertainment, I reckon. I've seen footage of the whole setup. The guy doing it is sort of the like the Pierpoint (British hangman) of beheading. Funny thing is at the end they quickly sew it back on.

 

[hteng]

fucking uncivilized piece of shit

 

[Grimm Fandango]

Why is it more barbaric than lethal injection or the electric chair?

The body is no longer whole.

Probably interferes with some religions.

 

[HiroProtagonist]

Why is it more barbaric than lethal injection or the electric chair?

Have you ever seen someone beheaded? It's horrifying. However, I do agree that the electric chair is quite barbaric as well, and may-in-fact be worse when it malfunctions - as it's been known to do.

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

Of course, just like Christians kill other Christians. But this is an Islamic nation killing Muslims, so I'm taking exception to what is blatant hypocrisy of the state religion. Nothing new in SA though.

Sorry, that makes no sense. If the person is convicted of a crime, being of the same religion doesn't mean much even if it's the state religion.

You could object to issues of blood money if you want or some of the stupid things you can be executed in SA for, but not that it's Muslim on Muslim.

 

[OttomanScribe]

http://sandala.org/blog/2011/06/21/where-are-the-no-smoking-signs-in-medina/

Freaking Saudi man.. freaking Saudi.

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/europe/2010/10/20101068296472596.html

A British court has heard allegations that a Saudi prince beat his servant to death in what the prosecution team allege was a frenzied sex attack.

Saud Abdulaziz bin Nasser al Saud, 34, is accused of murdering Bandar Abdullah Abdulaziz on February 15, after allegedly abusing him for months. The victim is an orphan who was adopted by a wealthy family in Saudi Arabia. He travelled with the prince over the past three years.

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

Have you ever seen someone beheaded? It's horrifying. However, I do agree that the electric chair is quite barbaric as well, and may-in-fact be worse when it malfunctions - as it's been known to do.

It's not exactly as sloppily done as some AQ in Iraq whackjobs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxmBp23W6nc

This is the story of Abdallah Al-Bishi, the Arabian Executioner --that's right, the guy who chops people's heads off with his sword. Here he talks of his job, its required skills, its stresses and its challenges. He shows off his beheading swords, and he remembers the day he went to watch his dad (whose job was also beheading convicts) at work , how he saw a big black hole where the prisoner's head used to be, and how that became the turning point of his life. And he speaks of his own son, Badr, who is now in 'training' to follow the father's career path.

I didn't see any execution footage so it should be fine, it's just an interview down by Lebanon TV.

 

[SolKane]

Sorry, that makes no sense. If the person is convicted of a crime, being of the same religion doesn't mean much even if it's the state religion.

You could object to issues of blood money if you want or some of the stupid things you can be executed in SA for, but not that it's Muslim on Muslim.

But the Qu'ran is considered the constitution of SA. If the Qu'ran states that the killing of Muslims is forbidden, is that not a contradiction for the state to execute Muslims?

 

[OttomanScribe]

But the Qu'ran is considered the constitution of SA. If the Qu'ran states that the killing of Muslims is forbidden, is that not a contradiction for the state to execute Muslims?

The prohibition on killing innocents and Muslims both includes the caveat that they have not committed a capital crime.

 

[Nesotenso]

Having lived in the Gulf for sometime, I concur that these nations (the GCC) treat their servants and laborers terribly. There is a false bravado and an air of superiority for most Arabs ( not all) when it comes to workers from poorer nations and doesn't matter if you are muslim or non-muslim. All that oil and gas money has made the local populace morally bankrupt.

 

[SolKane]

The prohibition on killing innocents and Muslims both includes the caveat that they have not committed a capital crime.

Thanks, that's what I was looking for. Do you have a verse?

 

[OttomanScribe]

Thanks, that's what I was looking for. Do you have a verse?

The Sha'riah's source is not only the Qur'an, as the Qur'an is only about 4% law, but there are verses that refer to it, for example, from Surah Baqurah, Ayaat 177-178:

True piety does not consist in turning your faces towards the east or the west - but truly pious is he who believes in God, and the Last Day; and the angels, and revelation, and the prophets; and spends his substance - however much he himself may cherish it - upon his near of kin, and the orphans, and the needy, and the wayfarer,and the beggars, and for the freeingof human beings from bondage; and is constant in prayer, and renders the purifying dues;and [truly pious are] they who keep their promises whenever they promise, and are patient in misfortune and hardship and in time of peril: it is they that have proved themselves true, and itis they, they who are conscious of God.

O YOU who have attained to faith! Just retribution is ordained for you in cases of killing: thefree for the free, and the slave for the slave, and the woman for the woman. And if something [of his guilt] is remitted to a guilty person by his brother, this [remission] shall be adhered to with fairness, and restitution to his fellow-man shall be made in a goodly manner. This is an alleviation from your Sustainer, and an act of His grace. And for him who, none theless, wilfully transgresses the bounds of what is right, there is grievous suffering in store: for, in [the law of] just retribution, O you who are endowed with insight, there is lifefor you, so that you might remain conscious of God!

 

[HiroProtagonist]

It's not exactly as sloppily done as some AQ in Iraq whackjobs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxmBp23W6nc

I didn't see any execution footage so it should be fine, it's just an interview down by Lebanon TV.

That is slightly better than a dull machete in a dank cave. Slightly. It's also quite nice how they will give you a local anesthetic when cutting off one of your hands or legs.

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

That is slightly better than a dull machete in a dank cave. Slightly. It's also quite nice how they will give you a local anesthetic when cutting off one of your hands or legs.

All that oil buys quality!

 

[Misanthropy]

I always wondered why human beings can't think before they do something. We have this great evolved brain of ours and yet we don't think to ourselves, "Gee, I think killing a member of our own species for allegedly doing something via beheading is a bit wrong. Speaking in purely evolutionary terms, I'm literally narrowing the gene pool of our species." idk.

 

[Hitokage]

I always wondered why human beings can't think before they do something. We have this great evolved brain of ours and yet we don't think to ourselves, "Gee, I think killing a member of our own species for allegedly doing something via beheading is a bit wrong. Speaking in purely evolutionary terms, I'm literally narrowing the gene pool of our species." idk.

The answer? It's not that evolved.

 

[RiZ III]

I dont get why you guys are saying that getting beheaded is so barbaric. which form of capital punishment isn't "barbaric"? Even here we strap people down and kill them in one way or another and when you think about it, it's pretty awful. Barbaric would be if it was a slow and excruciating death (ex: electrocution).

Who knows if she actually did it, my guess would be that she did. The saudis are known to be strict, but they're not infamous for executing* people. Of course on gaf all Arabs are evil and barbaric though.

Edit: executing wrongly accused people

 

[markot]

I dont get why you guys are saying that getting beheaded is so barbaric. which form of capital punishment isn't "barbaric"? Even here we strap people down and kill them in one way or another and when you think about it, it's pretty awful. Barbaric would be if it was a slow and excruciating death (ex: electrocution).

Who knows if she actually did it, my guess would be that she did. The saudis are known to be strict, but they're not infamous for executing people. Of course on gaf all Arabs are evil and barbaric though.

>_>?

All of them are Barbaric, but cmon, cutting off someones head is clearly alot more bloody and awful than leathal injection. Also your head retains consciousness for a few seconds.... which is just beyond awful....

Also, odd that Indonesia is complaining about this, while 2 Australians are probably going to be put to death in their country for drug smuggling....

 

[RiZ III]

>_>?

All of them are Barbaric, but cmon, cutting off someones head is clearly alot more bloody and awful than leathal injection. Also your head retains consciousness for a few seconds.... which is just beyond awful....

Also, odd that Indonesia is complaining about this, while 2 Australians are probably going to be put to death in their country for drug smuggling....

How is it "more awful"? Killing is killing. It's just more unsightly and horrifying imagining someone's head falling off but it's much quicker than gas chamber, electrocution, or lethal injection. You could argue tha it's the most "humane" because it's quick. It's only ugly for the people watching, but the death is only experienced by the victim. Whether you chop off his head or gas him, he's going to die. So make it quick. Frankly if I was going to be executed, I'd prefer a quick sword to the neck or getting shot. There is no nice way to be killed really.

 

[markot]

Part of it has to be about the 'executioner' too though.

Its alot more 'personal' to cut someones head off than to shoot or pull a switch...

I just think beheading is the worst thing though >.< I have this thing about my neck though, I dont even like wearing scarves....