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[rodrigolfp]

Amazing progress they are doing, they almost took property of all code by replacing links and names. All with a broken pipeline and useful commit messages.

 

[SF Kosmo]

Nintendo didn't want to look like a bunch of pathetic losers when their new console still can't do proper 1080p in 2024 while the emulators did their games at 4k60.

Real time image of a Nintendo engineer at work:

Maybe send some of that lawsuit money to the R&D team,maybe they can finally figure out full hd after 10 years.

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yeah I'm ranting cuz I'm salty right now, #FuckNintendo

With Switch 2 being built on Switch technology for backward compatability, I think there was a very real worry that a Switch 2 emulator could be developed rather quickly using the foundation laid by Yuzu and Ryujinx.

Of course this happened to the GBA, there were emulators out literally before the system even launched, and I seem to recall the GBA somehow managed to do okay, so emulation probably isn't as big of a threat as Nintendo likes to pretend.

 

[Jinxed]

We can run their games in 4k on PC because of their archaic consoles. Git gud Nintendo, stop this nonsense

 

[FeralEcho]

With Switch 2 being built on Switch technology for backward compatability, I think there was a very real worry that a Switch 2 emulator could be developed rather quickly using the foundation laid by Yuzu and Ryujinx.

Of course this happened to the GBA, there were emulators out literally before the system even launched, and I seem to recall the GBA somehow managed to do okay, so emulation probably isn't as big of a threat as Nintendo likes to pretend.

Yup, it's just a case of Nintendo being petty.

As I already said to my bro NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt this won't change anything in the grand scheme of things for Switch or Switch 2... Anyone who uses emulation for piracy won't suddenly go out and shell 400$ + 60$ on each new release to play the games they are already hard wired to get for "free". In the end this shit will only hurt the people that already buy their games and want to play them on emulation for better performance since the Switch is ancient in tech at this point. The perception of Nintendo will only get worse with time if they continue like this while they won't gain shit from it.

 

[SF Kosmo]

Yup, it's just a case of Nintendo being petty.

As I already said to my bro NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt this won't change anything in the grand scheme of things for Switch or Switch 2... Anyone who uses emulation for piracy won't suddenly go out and shell 400$ + 60$ on each new release to play the games they are already hard wired to get for "free". In the end this shit will only hurt the people that already buy their games and want to play them on emulation for better performance since the Switch is ancient in tech at this point. The perception of Nintendo will only get worse with time if they continue like this

Companies often think if they remove the piracy option, would-be pirates will buy their games. The reality is, most of those people will just pirate different games, because they don't want to or can't pay for games.

 

[NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt]

Yup, it's just a case of Nintendo being petty.

As I already said to my bro NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt this won't change anything in the grand scheme of things for Switch or Switch 2... Anyone who uses emulation for piracy won't suddenly go out and shell 400$ + 60$ on each new release to play the games they are already hard wired to get for "free". In the end this shit will only hurt the people that already buy their games and want to play them on emulation for better performance since the Switch is ancient in tech at this point. The perception of Nintendo will only get worse with time if they continue like this while they won't gain shit from it.

Yeah it's gonna to be interesting when the Switch 2 is announced. I don't expect PS5 Level graphics but I expect the graphics to be around PS4/Steamdeck paired with modern hardware. And I find it interesting how Nintendo is doing this now

And as for ancient, I still game on PS4 and my current PC build are considered ancient by today's standards and they still run games fine. So I'm fine with the Switch 2 being around PS4 level when it comes to specs

 

[nbcjr]

I'm surprised ryujinx caved, Brazilian legal system is not as the US, Nintendo would have to pay his lawyers at the end.

 

[NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt]

Companies often think if they remove the piracy option, would-be pirates will buy their games. The reality is, most of those people will just pirate different games, because they don't want to or can't pay for games.

Yep Pirates are just gonna to not Pirate Nintendo games

 

[Guilty_AI]

I'm surprised ryujinx caved, Brazilian legal system is not as the US, Nintendo would have to pay his lawyers at the end.

Its still a major headache to go through, we have no idea what kind of case nintendo would try to make against them either (likely not a strong one since they choose this route). If they tried to claim emulation itself is ilegal, the guy would be basically shouldering the entirety of the emulation scene on his shoulders and no one in that space wants that kind of pressure on their lives.

 

[Fabieter]

I used emulation myself in the past so I know very well how's the scale of piracy is with these kinda things so it makes sense for Nintendo not wanting day zero pirated games on their newly released system.

 

[SNG32]

I heared that Nintendo is going to start releasing games on PC that’s why they are crashing out on Emulation right now. I’m hearing this is suppose to happen in 2026.

 

[ReyBrujo]

Companies often think if they remove the piracy option, would-be pirates will buy their games.

The defense of emulators is that there is a single legal use (someone backing up their own games and wanting to play it without using the original media) it should overcome any of the illegal usages. From Nintendo point of view, if just a single of those pirates-wannabe could have bought the console had emulation not been that easy then it's a battle worth fighting. Besides, Nintendo needs to protect the system, developers don't want their games leaked and played by free. So, Nintendo is also getting the bad press in the name of other companies.

 

[FeralEcho]

Companies often think if they remove the piracy option, would-be pirates will buy their games. The reality is, most of those people will just pirate different games, because they don't want to or can't pay for games.

Exactly.

 

[FeralEcho]

The defense of emulators is that there is a single legal use (someone backing up their own games and wanting to play it without using the original media) it should overcome any of the illegal usages. From Nintendo point of view, if just a single of those pirates-wannabe could have bought the console had emulation not been that easy then it's a battle worth fighting. Besides, Nintendo needs to protect the system, developers don't want their games leaked and played by free. So, Nintendo is also getting the bad press in the name of other companies.

To be fair,Nintendo's using those same emulators they're thoroughly against to promote their paid Nintendo Online Subscription services. They are literally selling you the ability to emulate your old games on your new console which shows exactly how petty and hypocritical they are.

Like ok...Fine,you want to stop pirates from using emulators for piracy I can understand but then provide these emulators that are clearly available on the switch for your paying customers to play their old purchases from the previous e-shop without paygating them by a subscription!

If you can't provide that as a company when you clearly have the means to do so then you can kindly fuck off!

 

[jshackles]

I heared that Nintendo is going to start releasing games on PC that’s why they are crashing out on Emulation right now. I’m hearing this is suppose to happen in 2026.

Hope your uncle is OK after smuggling that information out

 

[VGEsoterica]

Amazing progress they are doing, they almost took property of all code by replacing links and names. All with a broken pipeline and useful commit messages.

yes its not really seeing much forward momentum

 

[VGEsoterica]

I'm surprised ryujinx caved, Brazilian legal system is not as the US, Nintendo would have to pay his lawyers at the end.

could have been incentivized

 

[Buggy Loop]

Nintendo getting a head start on the next generation. Gotta make sure the game preservationists aren't getting any bright ideas about preserving brand new Switch 2 games.

Yup, the timing is pretty much around the Switch 2 inevitable reveal.

It must mean that Switch 2 is so close to Switch 1 for compatibility that the emulators would run switch 2 games almost week 1.

 

[Dr.D00p]

 

[SF Kosmo]

could have been incentivized

Yeah it sounds like they struck a deal of some sort.

 

[chokotoureiki]

Good, I love seeing the Ninty fans suffer everytime Nintendo bitchslaps them with the law.

 

[Anthony Soprano]

Yeah it sounds like they struck a deal of some sort.

They've never done this, have they?

My guess is it was "close down and say nothing about this pending lawsuit or we will attempt to take you to court for facilitating people's ability to play Zelda early."

When Zelda launched Australia before other regions, Ryujinx immediately permitted support for it in their Discord.

 

[SF Kosmo]

They've never done this, have they?

No, but they likely didn't have the same kind of leverage they had with Yuzu, where they were openly pirating games on discord. Yuzu were highly motivated to settle and agree to Nintendo's terms because they could have faced actually jail time.

Ryujinx would have been a much harder case for Nintendo to litigate and even if they were successful it might not have had the outcome Nintendo was looking for, which is ownership of the code. So it makes sense that they might take a more "carrot or stick" posture.

 

[Trilobit]

This is an example that could give Nintendo a strong case on banning Switch emulators.



Not only its a thinly veil in piracy but he is actually saying it can "murder" the Switch.

I honestly have no idea how people are shocked that Nintendo is going after people who make it possible to play pirated Switch games on better hardware. You can of course say that if you buy the game and create your own ROM and you own a Switch, even though you play on PC/ROG Ally, then there's no issue and I agree personally. But from Nintendo's point of view this makes it very easy to pirate games and makes it possible to not have to deal with the Switch's antipiracy software. Nintendo doesn't own IPs, they are their IPs. Unlike Sony or Microsoft, Nintendo lives and dies with their games and consoles so they have to be extremely protective to be able to survive long-term. That includes not allowing people to make fan-games. Once again, from a gamer POV I don't agree with Nintendo, but from a business POV it makes 100% sense to act as they do, especially with how copyright/trademark/IP laws work.

 

[ZVWQP-9B8TM-VH9CT]

Today on The People's Court

@Arsic says he has photographic evidence of millions of people using emulators for piracy.

The evidence in question? Photos of the number of downloads from rom websites.

Photos show that Breath of The Wild has been downloaded 350 million times by 350 million people.

For reference the The United States has a population of about 350 million.

In light of this new evidence what will @Pejo say? Will he acuse @Arsic of photoshopping the evidence?

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[digital_ghost]

show us the proof

 

[vodka-bull]

I don't support emulation of systems that are currently being sold and I think the preservation argument is bogus. It's used for piracy, full stop, we saw it with Yuzu.

You don‘t need to support it. Do you know what else you don‘t need to support? Big asshole companies like Nintendo.

 

[Tams]

It's wild that the Wii, WiiU and the Switch all were able to be emulated within their active lifespans at much higher resolutions and frame rates of their native consoles.

It isn't wild at all.

A significant part of Nintendo's success has been and is the low price of entry to their ecosytem. That means they can't afford to use high end current components in their consoles.

 

[Anthony Soprano]

It isn't wild at all.

A significant part of Nintendo's success has been and is the low price of entry to their ecosytem. That means they can't afford to use high end current components in their consoles.

Wild because historically in gaming, this has never been a thing. Aside from DRM, one of the major barriers preventing same-gen emulation has always been a console's more complex hardware teetering on cutting edge graphics.

Yes, Nintendo made the choice to go with cartoon graphics to reap high margin. As a result, to say Nintendo welcomed same-gen emulation on PC with open arms is an understatement. Piracy isn't going away and neither is emulation.

Business moves like shutting down Ryujinx? The only thing this is going to do is make the scene angrier and have more eyes pursue exploiting the Switch 2 more aggressively.

 

[Bradamante3D]

Emulator development and usage would be far less relevant and needed, if Nintendo sold pre-packaged emulators on that level of quality themselves ... but they just don't.

 

[Tams]

Wild because historically in gaming, this has never been a thing. Aside from DRM, one of the major barriers preventing same-gen emulation has always been a console's more complex hardware teetering on cutting edge graphics.

Yes, Nintendo made the choice to go with cartoon graphics to reap high margin. As a result, to say Nintendo welcomed same-gen emulation on PC with open arms is an understatement. Piracy isn't going away and neither is emulation.

Business moves like shutting down Ryujinx? The only thing this is going to do is make the scene angrier and have more eyes pursue exploiting the Switch 2 more aggressively.

Sorry, but such emulators have been widely used for piracy.

Nintendo are entirely within their rights to protect their IP, as they are the ones who created it and put the resources into making it.

I have no real bone to pick with software piracy, but part of what you accept when engaging in it is that your source can be, lawfully, shut down at any time. If you can't accept that, then I suggest paying for all your media.

You just come across as entitled.

 

[bender]

No one most of them are Anita Sarkeesian bootlickers!

 

[Anthony Soprano]

Sorry, but such emulators have been widely used for piracy.

Nintendo are entirely within their rights to protect their IP, as they are the ones who created it and put the resources into making it.

I have no real bone to pick with software piracy, but part of what you accept when engaging in it is that your source can be, lawfully, shut down at any time. If you can't accept that, then I suggest paying for all your media.

You just come across as entitled.

I am pretty entitled, I guess. For example, the prestigious IP you talk about that they are protecting is constantly released as sub-30 fps diarrhea. If we had better consumer protection laws for software then Nintendo would be the ones sued out of business, but they have no problem being ethically bankrupt at the moment by releasing laggy products.

 

[Banjo64]

I like it when Nintendo punishes everyone.

 

[Tams]

I am pretty entitled, I guess. For example, the prestigious IP you talk about that they are protecting is constantly released as sub-30 fps diarrhea. If we had better consumer protection laws for software then Nintendo would be the ones sued out of business, but they have no problem being ethically bankrupt at the moment by releasing laggy products.

Now you are just reaching and coping.

You clearly know shit about what consumer protection laws are.

 

[Majukun]

I'm surprised ryujinx caved, Brazilian legal system is not as the US, Nintendo would have to pay his lawyers at the end.

apparently nintendo just "bought" the whole operation, they didn't cave in, they (quite literally) sold out

 

[Ovek]

But what a bummer for game preservation and software emulation today...and before you say "its just used for piracy"...it isnt. It CAN be, but that doesn't mean it ONLY is

Yeah sure… wink. We all know that line is bollocks and always has been.

What did anyone really expect when you release a emulator for the current gen console that provides a superior frame rate and resolution to the actual Nintendo hardware.

Now I am not Nintendo’s biggest fan but I really dislike how Nintendo are being painted as the bad guy when all they are doing is protecting their business by stopping a emulator/s that people used for 99.99999% piracy of current gen games in a gaming market that is currently on a downward spiral.

 

[Minsc]

Yeah sure… wink. We all know that line is bollocks and always has been.

What did anyone really expect when you release a emulator for the current gen console that provides a superior frame rate and resolution to the actual Nintendo hardware.

Now I am not Nintendo’s biggest fan but I really dislike how Nintendo are being painted as the bad guy when all they are doing is protecting their business by stopping a emulator/s that people used for 99.99999% piracy of current gen games in a gaming market that is currently on a downward spiral.

True, though to me It feels like they're going to be as successful in stopping Switch emulation as Metallica was in stopping mp3 downloads. Every emulator they stop just seems to result in two more starting up.

 

[Tams]

True, though to me It feels like they're going to be as successful in stopping Switch emulation as Metallica was in stopping mp3 downloads. Every emulator they stop just seems to result in two more starting up.

Yes, but it deters people and makes it harder and more effort for those that aren't detered. Which in the end reduces the availability of emulators.

No doubt they've done the maths, and the legal costs outweigh what they perceive to be the cost of piracy (whether that is seeing every pirated copy as lost revenue or not doesn't really matter).

Nintendo don't bother going after emulators for old consoles, so really I don't see the issue.

 

[lmimmfn]

At this stage I'm not even sure why people support Nintendo products, because its completely anti consumer and until current consumers push back they will be forced to accept what they're given.

I'm not a Nintendo fan, but I'm a retro/emulator fan and the ability to play older games in the future is what I want. Nintendo is stifling this ability and tbh pissing off their user base.
They're entitled to that but it won't last long as it will annoy their consumers.

 

[Tams]

At this stage I'm not even sure why people support Nintendo products, because its completely anti consumer and until current consumers push back they will be forced to accept what they're given.

I'm not a Nintendo fan, but I'm a retro/emulator fan and the ability to play older games in the future is what I want. Nintendo is stifling this ability and tbh pissing off their user base.
They're entitled to that but it won't last long as it will annoy their consumers.

How is it anti-consumer? You can buy their console, and you can buy their games to play on said console. They don't prevent you from doing that. You are not entitled to play them on whatever hardware you want, as that's implicitly clear when you buy their games.

The vast majority of their userbase are perfectly fine with this arrangement.

No, you just want to pirate. Fine. Pirate all you want. But don't complain when you are stopped.

 

[Anthony Soprano]

Now you are just reaching and coping.

You clearly know shit about what consumer protection laws are.

Sorry you can't read. I said what the laws should be, that they aren't enough and that we don't have anything in this space yet. Beyond law, Nintendo's return policy is a joke.

 

[phant0m]

Multiple things can be true at once. It's used for piracy, yes. Also for preservation. And also for convenience, because fuck playing botw in 30fps. I wanna play my copy at 60fps in 4k and Nintendo should seriously go suck some dick.

As long as the developers don't facilitate piracy (which in Yuzu's case is a line that may have been crossed) Nintendo should be laughed out of every courtroom in this world. Sadly most judicial systems are stacked in favor of the richer party, but mate be for real, at least don't honestly be one of these "I can't support this, the multi billion dollar corporation says it's really hurting" guys

Yep. I own an OLED switch and retail copies of the games I emulated (I'll cop to the fact that I didn't dump my own games, but I did own them) and I used Ryujinx to play them at resolutions and frame rates that weren't complete garbage for 2024.