MayauMiao
Member
This is an example that could give Nintendo a strong case on banning Switch emulators.
Not only its a thinly veil in piracy but he is actually saying it can "murder" the Switch.
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How Nintendo Killed Ryujinx; an analysis of what is going on
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This is an example that could give Nintendo a strong case on banning Switch emulators.
Not only its a thinly veil in piracy but he is actually saying it can "murder" the Switch.
Guilty_AI
Gold Member
How is saying one hardware is better than the other something that can give nintendo a "strong case"? And guy barely talks about emulation here.
digital_ghost
Member
Today on The People's Court
Arsic
says he has photographic evidence of millions of people using emulators for piracy.The evidence in question? Photos of the number of downloads from rom websites.
Photos show that Breath of The Wild has been downloaded 350 million times by 350 million people.
For reference the The United States has a population of about 350 million.
In light of this new evidence what will
Pejo
say? Will he acuse
Arsic
of photoshopping the evidence?The People's Court will return after a word from our Sponsor.
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MayauMiao
Member
Come on, we all know what he is implying here. Even if you "think" he doesn't say it, the Nintendo's lawyers can easily explain it in a way that will get the court to agree with them.
Nintendo knows they have a strong case and every Switch emulator creators know this.
Pejo
Member
Damn, so not only does this prove 99% of emulator users are performing piracy, but also MURDER??
I wasn't ready for this information...
Hoddi
Member
It's disappointing but this is just a delay. There will be other emulators in 5-10 years so the preservation aspect won't be an issue once Nintendo has newer systems out.
But I just want to play games at high res/framerate. Switch 2 genuinely needs to support DLSS because their current games look dreadful on modern TVs and I can't keep my 1080p set forever.
But I just want to play games at high res/framerate. Switch 2 genuinely needs to support DLSS because their current games look dreadful on modern TVs and I can't keep my 1080p set forever.
Digital-Aftertaste
Member
I nabbed Ryujinx as soon as I saw the news on the other emulator that got taken down
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Nobody can use an emulator to steal games.
nkarafo
Member
This only shows how fucked up the justice system is. Doesn't matter if you are on the right, what matters is that you have enough money and the mental strength/patience to go through a ridiculously expensive, nerve racking, time wasting lawsuit that may even take years to resolve.
Nintendo knows this and they also know small homebrew developers and hobbyists are not like the Bleem company who had the money to defend their case and win.
I lost all the remaining respect i had for Nintendo at this point. No more money of mine will ever go their way.
People also use knives to hurt other people.
I guess we have to ban computers and kitchen knives then.
Nintendo knows this and they also know small homebrew developers and hobbyists are not like the Bleem company who had the money to defend their case and win.
I lost all the remaining respect i had for Nintendo at this point. No more money of mine will ever go their way.
Some people also use computers to develop these emulators. Heck, they don't even need emulators, they can still "steal" other games via piracy.
People also use knives to hurt other people.
I guess we have to ban computers and kitchen knives then.
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That sucks. Retro Game Corps is an awesome channel. Got my Powkiddy X55 cause of his review. For $95 shipped its an amazing deal. Guy put together extensive guide on his website just forr that one handheld. Fuck Nintendo.
Digital-Aftertaste
Member
yeah its a loophole type thing cuz it facilitates it even tho emulation does not equal piracy but that won't stop nintendo from sinking the emu devs in legal battles. Makes me wonder if the reason for this now is backwards compatibility for their next console
Moses85
Member
Yes, because Dolphin is emulating Games , so old, Nintendo doesnt give a fuck about these. As soon as Nintendo is offering these games in the E-Shop, they will release their Ninjas!
Custom hardware sound neat for experimental game-design, I agree. But that hasn't been necessary for awhile, as you play every game (when emulated) with a third-party controller, it turns out.
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Biggest Trails Stan
Today on The People's Court
The evidence in question? Photos of the number of downloads from rom websites.
Photos show that Breath of The Wild has been downloaded 350 million times by 350 million people.
For reference the The United States has a population of about 350 million.
In light of this new evidence what will
The People's Court will return after a word from our Sponsor.
Concord tears. Buy 100% authentic tears cried by Sony executives after learning they lost $400 million.
CS Lurker
Member
I would change this to "it's mostly used for piracy", as it paints an accurate picture.
VGEsoterica
Member
But again just because something can be used for X doesn’t make it not allowed. Only a court case would
BlackTron
Gold Member
To be fair, common sense is a thing. Anecdotal white-knight gaffers who take a picture of their stack of physical games they've made backups up is the 1%.
I'm not saying this means common sense is adequate proof to take legal action, but we should still have it.
This is what pisses me off. I think they have a reason to attack Palworld but not this guy. He hasn't done a single thing neither illegal nor harming to their business, and is just a guy. Come on Nintendo. I would love for someone they perceive as weak to bite back and make them think twice about how it will go next time.
Dr.D00p
Member
Rom dumps are used for piracy, jail broken Switches with flash carts are used for piracy.
Emulators are not used for piracy.
I have downloaded Switch roms for use with emulators.
Do you know how much money Nintendo has lost from me, for doing that?
Not a single fucking penny because if the emulator didn't exist I simply wouldn't bother buying a Switch console & its games.
Their games are curiosity for me, getting emulators up and running is a bit of fun, nothing more.
...and Nintendo has incurred no financial loss from me.
If Nintendo want to stop emulation being so easy on their platforms they should stop being a bunch of cheap cunts, using outdated, off the shelf components only fit for running a fucking smart fridge, that present very little technical challenge to the coders.
I have no sympathy for them whatsoever, it's a self inflicted problem.
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BlackTron
Gold Member
What the fuck is this?
Dr.D00p
Member
Obviously a difference of opinion on the definition of 'piracy'.
I don't consider it piracy if Nintendo doesn't lose out on $60 by me playing one of their games on my PC for a few hours, because like I said, without an emulator, that wouldn't make me go out and buy a Switch Console to buy and play their games.
BlackTron
Gold Member
Piracy isn't causing financial loss through pirating a game. Piracy is just...pirating a game. Whether you think that makes it acceptable is a different story.
"Your honor, no violation took place because at the moment it occurred, I was operating under my own definition of it."
I mean you literally said emulators are not used for piracy and then immediately stated you use emulators to play downloaded ROMs. The thing is you also said that ROM dumps or broken switches are used for piracy, but under your own definition using the ROM dump was not piracy so long as you were never going to buy the game.
What a self massaging word salad.
SweetTooth
Gold Member
CS Lurker
Member
Hypocrisy.
Krappadizzle
Member
I'm so glad to have downloaded it literally a few days ago before it went down.
Mister Wolf
Gold Member
A lot of these guys have a Robinhood Complex. Helps them reconcile their entitlement.
Dr.D00p
Member
Let's see how many ROMs have been on your hard drives, shall we.
Then we'll see the definition of 'hypocrisy'.
Yeah, as much as I support game preservation and emulation in general, there is a sort of dishonesty about it that I don't like.
Games should be preserved and emulation should be pursued and roms dumped. NO ONE IS ENTITLED TO THAT EMULATION OR ROMSET. People like to just dance around the fact that the majority of people who emulate and use roms are using it for piracy. It's just a sad fact about the emulation scene. Most people don't give a rat's ass about game preservatio, they just want to play those games and some even think they're owed it because they can't get it otherwise.
But game preservation still needs to be pursued.
Jibran#one
Member
Explain to me how is dolphin still alive ??? Because Wii and wi u are too old they let it slide ?
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Emulators don't facilitate anything. Piracy = downloading a illegal copy of a game. Emulators have nothing to do with downloading illegal copies of games.
CS Lurker
Member
According to you, even if I had 1000 ROMs of games that I don't actually own in any way, it wouldn't be piracy as long as I would come here and affirm that Nintendo didn't lose a penny from me downloading their games, as I didn't have any intention to buy anything from them anyway.
You can pirate games as much as you want, just don't try to come here and change its definitions.
Dr.D00p
Member
CS Lurker
Member
Now your posts make sense, coming from someone who doesn't understand a conditional sentence.
BlackTron
Gold Member
His understanding of the sentence is conditional just like the conditional definition of pirating. No inconsistency detected.
hyperbertha
Member
It's also used to play switch games at playable framerates
SoraNoKuni
Member
Well it's existential for Nintendo since their consoles are low powered, meaning if the switch 2 is pretty much based on existing architectures(arm) sdks then soon enough ryujinx/yuzu could emulate their games on android phones and steam deck like devices.
Which is almost like having a switch, and better.
Which is almost like having a switch, and better.
I've seen a lot of people trying to comfort themselves by separating Nintendo lawyers from Nintendo. As if they're separate entities.
Dural
Member
The video that Nintendo had Youtube take down from Retro Game Corps was because of WiiU emulation, so I don't know.
Guilty_AI
Gold Member
No? He explicitly says he isn't interested in retro gaming and doesn't know much about it, he also uses different libraries as points of comparison. He's just comparing handheld devices.
ReyBrujo
Member
You would just be an "archivist", an MVG hero.
VGEsoterica
Member
Yes in essence Nintendo knows that with the Switch 2 being advanced but still derivative architecture compared to OG Switch it gives software emulation coders a leg up day 1. Still wouldn't be easy but the work they've already done would be foundational
Disney started this. Mickey should be in the public domain. IP control was never supposed to be forever.
Ponderling
Member
First yuzu now ryujinx, this whole thing sucks.
They were pure electric for the emulation community, imagine playing current gen releases of Zelda, Mario and Metroid games within days at higher res and fps! it was amazing.
Put the source code on ice and be patient my friends, for these emulators will be back in some form I guarantee it.
Emulation is a retrospective hobby after all and this has been a curiously awesome anomaly.
They were pure electric for the emulation community, imagine playing current gen releases of Zelda, Mario and Metroid games within days at higher res and fps! it was amazing.
Put the source code on ice and be patient my friends, for these emulators will be back in some form I guarantee it.
Emulation is a retrospective hobby after all and this has been a curiously awesome anomaly.
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rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Yuzu went nowhere. It's called Suyu and has its own site and open development.
Ponderling
Member
ReyBrujo
Member
Amazing progress they are doing, they almost took property of all code by replacing links and names. All with a broken pipeline and useful commit messages.
