How would you feel about the NX being a handheld?

I'm actually expect the first step in the NX to be handheld based.
Especially with the rumours of it coming out before or at the beginning of summer.

Not to mention that a new portable normally releases before the home system when it comes to Nintendo.
 
Terrell said:
Oh goodie, more hybrid talk. How much clearer does "that's not what we have in mind for now but could be in the future if that is what the market wants" need to be?

Seriously, what's next, a thread asking how we would feel about NX being a toaster strudel?
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What exactly is clear about this sentence? There are so many armchair analysts in here that seem to believe they definitely know what NX is or isn't based off of a few vague quotes and 2+ year old slides from a shareholder meeting. Fact of the matter is that none of us at GAF know for sure unless we have a few members working for Nintendo's R&D department or some of their top level executives have accounts here.

And thread whining is just as bad if not worse than the constant speculation.
 
Evidence that's a year or two old is at least more reliable than evidence that doesn't exist.

What evidence is there that the next console will be a handheld that plugs into the TV, beyond the fevered dreams of people on the internet?
 
They talked about VR not being a social experience, so I think (hope) that NX will still be some kind of console that I can play together with friends. Handhelds are nice, but I prefer playing with a controller in front of a TV.
 
I think people are expecting the "first" NX reveal next year to be a handheld, and then for it to be followed by a console that shares the same OS and software.
 
I'm fully expecting the NX to actually be the OS that will drive both a handheld and console that will be released simultaneously (or at least, very close together). I'm not expecting a hybrid though (though I do expect a system by which the handheld can act as a controller for the home console, like you can do with Smash U and 3DS)
 
Vena said:
Vita is in a state of trying to recoup all the money Sony burned on its development, its price-point isn't indicative of what it actually is nowadays.

The Vita's hardware has also depreciated far faster than its price point (like the 3DS). New hardware wouldn't be working off of 2013 hardware constraints, it'd be working off of 2015/2016 fab standards and prices which are vastly different now than they were then, and the price per performance will quickly outpace the Vita's.
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I understand that. But like I said, not only purchasing each component of this device, but making them to be the form factor you require for a handheld, paired with the battery(which like I said will have to be expensive), and a high quality screen. That's a lot of cost for a handheld.

Including that, if it is only as powerful as Wii U, I still don't see it being recognized by 3rd parties.
 
I'd only like it if it was, as some speculate, a hybrid system.

If it can run games in HD and it gives me the option to connect it to my TV and play with a controller when I'm home then I'd be interested. Specially if it ment that Nintendo could now focus 100% of their time and resources on making games and supporting this one system.

If it's just a stronger 3DS or some new handheld with a new gimmick then I wouldn't care. I loved my 3DS for like a year, haven't used it since because it's just not getting many games that interest me and I rarely play games on the go (if I do it's for a few minutes on my phone)
 
A handheld (or "hybrid") I think is the way to go. I can only imagine playing all of my NX games on the go then resuming them on the big screen. Similar to what the PSP did (remember those component cables that nobody bought?) and what the Vita failed to do. And yes, I know Sony thought the PSTV was a good idea on paper but if the Vita had the feature out of the box it would've been great.

I also would LOVE to play all of my current 3DS games on the big screen. I don't care about them "jags" and lack of HD, I just want to do Bravely Default, Pokemon, and Persona Q on the big screen because that would just be fantastic.

The WIi U was okay for what it was but since Nintendo essentially owns the portable gaming market (excluding smartphones/tablets), they should just go all portable. It only makes sense and deep down inside I know Nintendo won't. But I'm open to surprises or I guess in Nintendo words: my body is ready.
 
Gucci Messiah said:
What exactly is clear about this sentence? There are so many armchair analysts in here that seem to believe they definitely know what NX is or isn't based off of a few vague quotes and 2+ year old slides from a shareholder meeting. Fact of the matter is that none of us at GAF know for sure unless we have a few members working for Nintendo's R&D department or some of their top level executives have accounts here.

And thread whining is just as bad if not worse than the constant speculation.
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How is them saying it outright unclear? Do I need to pull the sentence to show you how clearly they stated this? It's about the clearest thing we know about it at all.

Actually, here, let me bring the exact sentence into the discussion:

Whether we will ultimately need just one device will be determined by what consumers demand in the future, and that is not something we know at the moment.
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That wasn't "2 years ago", it was last year. And it's pretty damn clear, but to paraphrase it more precisely that people have been, he's saying "we don't know that there's consumer demand for a hybrid device as suggested (by the shareholder asking this exact question) at this time, so we have not planned to release such a device at this time." After saying we might get more hardware platforms instead of less, in 2014, when it's too late to go back to the drawing board on their initial plans.

It's pretty damn straightforward, unless you're of the opinion that Nintendo is in the habit of misrepresenting themselves to shareholders asking them very direct questions on the subject, which is dangerous at best and against the law at worst. Shareholder meetings are the closest we get to factual information from any corporate entity, so I don't see a point in trying to twist around a definitive statement that was declared to them, whether you agree with it or not.

Anyone hoping for a hybrid device from the initial run of NX hardware is going to be immediately disappointed.
 
Enter the Dragon Punch said:
A Nintendo Vita with the strength of a Wii U would be delicious if they could lock down third party support for it.

I might actually be interested in Splatoon on a handheld.
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No, that would suck.

Dual Screen format is the ideal setup for handheld gaming.
 
QuackkAttack said:
I understand that. But like I said, not only purchasing each component of this device, but making them to be the form factor you require for a handheld, paired with the battery(which like I said will have to be expensive), and a high quality screen. That's a lot of cost for a handheld.

Including that, if it is only as powerful as Wii U, I still don't see it being recognized by 3rd parties.
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My point is that your 199$ figure is irrelevant. The Vita is no longer a powerful machine for its price point, its not as pissweak as the 3DS compared to the price but its still pissweak. And its price is where it is to attempt to make up all of the R&D that Sony burned on its creation and disastrous performance.

The next Nintendo handheld also won't be straddled with an OLED for the better of all involved, or, likely, the 3D affects which greatly drain its capabilities.

Now I don't expect a WiiU inside of a handheld, for obvious reasons like heat and powerdraw, but it could be fairly close to it. Nintendo has reasons here to make a rather beefy (within reason of price) system because they are aiming at bringing over mobile games and mobile game players, modern mobile games require quite a bit of hardware investment to run well and are being made for cutting edge mobile hardware.
 
ArkhamFantasy said:
I mean if the console and handheld share a library. Weak platforms (handhelds) hold back more powerful platforms (console).
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In an environment that doesn't have shared architecture and development tools, perhaps. But we don't know how well integrated their development process will be now when such a thing occurs, so isn't it a tad bit early to make such a definitive claim with nothing to back it up, since we haven't yet encountered such a scenario?
 
It's what I expect, and I'm excited to see what new things Nintendo brings for their next gaming platform.

I do not expect a 4DS. I believe they'll save 4DS as handheld plan B in case NX fails. The 'three-pillars' in action.
 
No reason as well NX not to be a family of systems with Nintendo supporting all with the same games (as with Smash - which could be seen as a test run) but allowing third parties to act as they wish.
 
Yuck. I've never given any thought to handhelds, not since I was a kid. If its another handheld, Nintendo can blow it up their asses.
 
Put it this way, handhelds are their primary business, not home consoles, and have been for a long time. A handheld form factor will be part of NX one way or another. So yeah, I'm in.
 
I for one, would be greatly unhappy. The 3DS XL feels like a cheap piece of shit, and it's too heavy. The design is ugly. I really hope it's a console after all.
 
It depends, if its:

A) A handheld console capable of streaming to tv, i would be okay as long as it supports decent HD graphics

B) a more traditional home console/ portable hybrid with a shared company then i'd be a little disappointed, if only because it would dimish the potential technical evolution of future N titles
 
I have nothing solid to back this up, but I wouldn't be surprised if NX is a series of devices, and that at least one of them is a handheld and at least one of them is a home console. Also, I expect that if only one of them is released next year, it will be the handheld, and if that happens, then the home console will follow in 2017.
 
If the NX being a handheld meant Nintendo's withdrawal from the home console market, then I would be incredibly disappointed.

But if it simply means the NX is their next handheld, while they're still planning to release a new console (regardless of its hypothetical integration or hybrid functionality with the handheld, or whether its a console "version" of the handheld NX) then I'd be okay with that.
 
I half expect it to be a phone, so handheld is fine. I'm not convinced it's a home console like so many people are, and at the same time I'm not convinced they're going to kill off the 3 ds either.
 
No thanks.

I don't carry more than one device with me and I don't like playing on small screens if I don't have to.

I'd be very happy with a Wii U level box, cheap, small, plays Nintendo games and indie games and streams media. But then, I'm happy with my Wii U.
 
Call me crazy but I like the archaic feel of the 3DS, I don't want the next console to be too overpowered. I know it's crazy talk but I like the outdated graphics of the Nintendo handled in comparison to Sony's.

Hopefully they will at least keep the dual display and all the franchises that makes the DS series what it is.
 
If the hardware looks and is just as good as the Vita? Then sure.

Otherwise NOPE. I'm done with handhelds looking like cheap fisher price toys and the hardware being underpowered.. I don't want to be seen with my 3DS outside of my house.
 
Seeing as the odds of Nintendo withdrawing from the home console or portable market are pretty slim, there seems to be a lot of worrying in this thread.

Does anyone seriously think they will abandon one or the other after talking constantly about bringing their development for games on both together?

I think their new account system, whenever they roll it out, might be the only new clues we'll get this year.
 
BRocknRolla said:
I think you're overselling the affect of these threads and whether Nintendo has any grasp at all on what the message should even be. Honestly, based on their recent NX comments, their vagueness seems to suggest they don't yet know how to sell it. Speculation won't push that process along.
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If Nintendo doesn't have any idea how to sell the NX, then they should outright get out of the games business. It's a product that they've already spent a couple of years developing and gather marketing data for, so they must know how they're going to frame its selling points. It's far more likely that Nintendo doesn't want to draw attention to NX because they're afraid that it will undercut their 3DS and Wii U sales. But if people care more about it than these semi-dead platforms already, then that concern becomes irrelevant.

At least if Nintendo comes out with a statement that "NX is...", then a lot of the more silly speculation will die off, and they can control the range of discussion about the product. If they don't though, there's a chance that any enthusiasm about NX can be dampened down even the formal announcement, and they will have to fight an uphill battle just to get it the attention it needs.

By itself, any and all NX speculation on Neogaf means nothing. However, it's not just happening just here; it's happening on all the gaming forums, all of the gaming news sites, and even permeating into non gaming news organizations like Bloomberg and the Wall Street Journal. There's always a chance that Nintendo will stick to their guns, but the decision to stay silent is only going to look worse and worse, and they'll probably have to cave.
 
redcrayon said:
Seeing as the odds of Nintendo withdrawing from the home console or portable market are pretty slim, there seems to be a lot of worrying in this thread.

Does anyone seriously think they will abandon one or the other after talking constantly about bringing their development for games on both together?

I think their new account system, whenever they roll it out, might be the only new clues we'll get this year.
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They might if their gamble on cross-development and (possibly?) cross-system games does not prove to be successful in the home market next-gen. But seeing as how we know almost nothing about NX or the NX platform as of yet, there really isn't much of a need to worry.

Still, Nintendo seriously needs a hit in the console market if they intend to stay relevant there. Only selling 10 million Wii Us after 2.5 years is absolutely dismal. And if they can't find success in the home console market, that dismal share of the market might get worse, at which point continuing in that sphere might not be cost-effective any longer. So I can at least see why there would be some worry, although I don't think there's much point in worrying at this stage, and there's definitely no need to worry for next-gen. Nintendo will still be there in both markets for next-gen at minimum. At worst, they leave the console market in some way after next-gen or the gen after and focus on the handheld market. But they're not gonna bow out anytime soon.


As for whether or not the NX is a handheld, I find that to be almost inevitable. If the production rumors are to be believed, I find it pretty likely that it will be a handheld if they're planning to sell that many systems in a year, or they're launching the NX handheld with the NX system at the same time or close to one another.

The only way I can think of it being a console alone is if Nintendo honestly believes it has another Wii-like hit, in which case I'd have no idea what the system has that Nintendo would think it would be so successful. What do thay have that would be cheap and revolutionary like Wii's motion controls? Because if it's a pricey change like the Gamepad, then they've already failed.
 
James Scott said:
There's pretty much no way the next console from Nintendo will be weaker than the Wii U, not sure why people got worried by that speculation thread.
Not sure if NX itself is a handheld, they never clarified we just assumed it would be a home console. The 3DS kind of need to go, it's getting pretty old and it's hard to look at.
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Lots of people don't read more than headlines, thats why.
 
I would actually prefer that it was a handheld, or at least primarily a handheld with the option to pair up/connect to a console/stationary box for more power. Make it play both native NX games and 3/DS games and boom: the perfect (non-PC) gaming system for me.
 
I'm expecting NX to have a handheld form factor. But also expecting NX to have a typical console-sized form and a puck-sized form.

We know, in some form factor, NX will be more powerful than the Wii U. I'm more curious if that will apply to the handheld version as well. I could see an equivalent GPU with a much better (ARM) processor for handheld.
 
I'd be cool with the NX being a handheld - 3DS feels a bit long in the tooth and with the Android OS rumors made me think how going first to a handheld system with a new architecture would make a fair bit of sense for to get a grip on the new system(s). With all the talk in this thread of plugging into a TV, my thought was simply that it would be nice if it supported Chromecast streaming (and/or other 'set top' device streaming). If dual screen, screen the top screen and leave the bottom as a touch device ala Wii U still.
 
atbigelow said:
I'm expecting NX to have a handheld form factor. But also expecting NX to have a typical console-sized form and a puck-sized form.

We know, in some form factor, NX will be more powerful than the Wii U. I'm more curious if that will apply to the handheld version as well. I could see an equivalent GPU with a much better (ARM) processor for handheld.
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I think the most likely power state for the handheld will be Wii U-esque, kind of like the how the 3DS is Gamecube-esque. The 3DS is Dreamcast-level in some of it's abilities, but can also do things the Wii couldn't even do. So the NX handheld would be sub-360 in certain aspects and Wii U+ in other areas.
 
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