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[Flying_Phoenix]

Like this one?

I can't speak for you. I'd say it would be best to look at reviews.

However if you just want the cheapest motherboard around, not worried about overclocking to the CPU's limit, and just want something that works than that wouldn't be that bad of a buy. Think of it like when you're shopping for a power supply or a video card, You usually know what you want.

 

[shinobi602]

Yes, it would be necessary. Most games out there aren't designed for as many cores as you'll have, so you'll need snappier cores. 3.9-4.0 is very attainable with a 1090 or 1100.

The AM3+ socket mobos are supposed to be out in a month or two. Procs will follow after. You'll be able to use AM3 procs in AM3+ mobos, but not AM3+ procs in AM3 mobos.

Ok sounds good.

Looks like I'll wait for the AM3+ then.

 

[black_vegeta]

I can't speak for you. I'd say it would be best to look at reviews.

However if you just want the cheapest motherboard around, not worried about overclocking to the CPU's limit, and just want something that works than that wouldn't be that bad of a buy. Think of it like when you're shopping for a power supply or a video card, You usually know what you want.

That's the thing, I would like to overclock the cpu. Like you said, I just have to read the reviews.

If I could get a i7 (non SB) and oc to over 3Ghz then I would be in business.

Thanks for the small info. I was about to buy some shit that wouldn't even have worked. <_<

 

[ASilva]

I've decided on everything but one small detail.

Forgetting prices, for a i5 2500k with GTX570 on Windows 7 64 should i get 4Gb (2+2) DDR3 1600Mhz CL6 or 8Gb (4+4) DDR3 1600Mhz CL9.

Basically its either 4Gb CL6 or 8Gb Cl9, which one would offer better performance overall? They are both GSkill PC3-12800 Ripjaws

 

[Hazaro]

RAM performance means crap all for almost everyone. Get 8GB that is 1.5V

 

[Artanisix]

Not sure if this is the right place to ask, but what kind of speaker system are you guys using with your PCs? Been thinking of maybe getting a surround sound system going on, but I'm not sure where to start. I'm pretty sure I'll need a sound card of some sort too.

 

[Kenka]

The AM3+ socket mobos are supposed to be out in a month or two. Procs will follow after. You'll be able to use AM3 procs in AM3+ mobos, but not AM3+ procs in AM3 mobos.

If I get it right, a good bang for buck + future-proof solution would be to buy a X4 640 with a AM3+ mobo and then upgrade in a few years with the eventual best performance/price AM3+ CPU.

 

[mrklaw]

My computer is running fine now on the 2 working SATA ports of my P8P67. I'm kinda worried that if I get the replacement, I might screw something up taking everything off my old one and putting them on my new one. Don't really foresee myself using more than 2 SATA devices at once. Should I take the chance?

You have four working sat a ports. Two intel 6GB ones, and two marvell ones.

I'm wondering about backups. Just running with a single 1TB spinpoint at the moment. With my laptops I use time machine or occasional drive cloning with external drives. But with a desktop, should I consider putting another 1TB spinpoint in there and either scheduling a weekly clone, or perhaps even RAIDing it? Thinking that i'd like to be up and running quickly after a failure, and if it's internal and cloned that's just a BIOS switch away from booting up and carrying on,

No critical data on there, just a ton of game downloads

 

[cartman414]

Wow, I didn't realize H61 was already out.

 

[MisterAnderson]

Any word at all when the 590 and 6990 are coming out? I thought they were supposed to come out in feb :/

 

[LiquidMetal14]

Any word at all when the 590 and 6990 are coming out? I thought they were supposed to come out in feb :/

I'm more curious to see what is coming out within a year since I will be upgrading with my next income tax (mainly GPU). I just don't want all new HW like a MB to run newer GPU's.

I will post this here as I posted it in the UE3 engine thread and am merely curious.....

"My main concern is getting a single card solution (on the PC side of things) within the next year and as long as it can do visuals like that then I'm content. I know my modded 6950 2GB is not going to run BF3 or this at at the highest settings without compromise. I am too used to 60fps gaming to not want a single card solution for any game coming in the next year or 2.

This PC gaming makes you feel quite inadequate real fast with all this fancy new gaming tech

On the issue of a CPU - How long would it seem my 4.5ghz OC'd Sandy Bridge last within reason? What I mean is at what point is something like this CPU (while amazing) going to bottleneck me with these amazing looking games in the future? I feel really comfortable but if even something like this isn't going to cut it then damn.

Of course I'm just hypothesizing and maybe over thinking this.

Off to work so I hope some interesting responses pop up as the future is exciting with all this new tech in the next couple of years."

 

[EarsOfASnake]

So a week after my build, everything is running a-ok. However, when I start my PC up it will turn on for 2secs, turn off for 5 then turn back on again and continue as usual, is this something I need to look in to or is this normal for newer PC's?

 

[n0n44m]

So a week after my build, everything is running a-ok. However, when I start my PC up it will turn on for 2secs, turn off for 5 then turn back on again and continue as usual, is this something I need to look in to or is this normal for newer PC's?

what's your motherboard? (Asus) Sandy Bridge motherboards had a BIOS update for this sort of behaviour

 

[EarsOfASnake]

what's your motherboard? (Asus) Sandy Bridge motherboards had a BIOS update for this sort of behaviour

that might explain it, it's an Asus p67 le.

 

[iNvid02]

You have four working sat a ports. Two intel 6GB ones, and two marvell ones.

I'm wondering about backups. Just running with a single 1TB spinpoint at the moment. With my laptops I use time machine or occasional drive cloning with external drives. But with a desktop, should I consider putting another 1TB spinpoint in there and either scheduling a weekly clone, or perhaps even RAIDing it? Thinking that i'd like to be up and running quickly after a failure, and if it's internal and cloned that's just a BIOS switch away from booting up and carrying on,

No critical data on there, just a ton of game downloads

got the same model and am trying to get it exchanged for b3 revision as soon as possible.
setting it all up again is gonna be simple, and practice makes perfect.

 

[MacAttack]

got the same model and am trying to get it exchanged for b3 revision as soon as possible.
setting it all up again is gonna be simple, and practice makes perfect.

Yup, there is very little excuse not to exchange. You paid for these ports when you bought the board may as well get some use out of them.

The Marvell port Raid performance on the MSI GD65 is pretty weak, if Im reading this correctly. Not sure if this is the case across all Sandy Bridge boards but it seems like this would be enough incentive for me.

Besides assembling/disassembling a pc is a glorified paint by numbers. Reading comprehension and patience is key.

 

[mrklaw]

On the issue of a CPU - How long would it seem my 4.5ghz OC'd Sandy Bridge last within reason? What I mean is at what point is something like this CPU (while amazing) going to bottleneck me with these amazing looking games in the future? I feel really comfortable but if even something like this isn't going to cut it then damn.

Of course I'm just hypothesizing and maybe over thinking this.

Off to work so I hope some interesting responses pop up as the future is exciting with all this new tech in the next couple of years."

it'll last ages. Tons of engines still aren't multicore optimised so you have some headroom there, and I'd expect most engines aren't even bottlenecked yet with you at stock speeds.

Thats one reason I'm staying at stock for now, I don't use my PC for anything other than gaming really.

 

[desu]

I've decided on everything but one small detail.

Forgetting prices, for a i5 2500k with GTX570 on Windows 7 64 should i get 4Gb (2+2) DDR3 1600Mhz CL6 or 8Gb (4+4) DDR3 1600Mhz CL9.

Basically its either 4Gb CL6 or 8Gb Cl9, which one would offer better performance overall? They are both GSkill PC3-12800 Ripjaws

To be honest, unless you are doing heavy cgi or encoding work, buying better CL ram is a waste of money!

Google translate this or just check the charts: http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/arbeitsspeicher/2011/test-welcher-speicher-fuer-sandy-bridge/

The overall consensus on ram is: Yes you can count a different between high mhz/cl but you won't really notice it.

Any word at all when the 590 and 6990 are coming out? I thought they were supposed to come out in feb :/

Full reveal of one of them is next week, I think it was the 6990 that was supposed to be revealed next tuesday (not 100% sure anymore).

So a week after my build, everything is running a-ok. However, when I start my PC up it will turn on for 2secs, turn off for 5 then turn back on again and continue as usual, is this something I need to look in to or is this normal for newer PC's?

I guess you're using a cpu with integrated gpu.

Go into your bios (in case of my Asus P67 its in the Advanced menu in the advanced section, then System Agent Configuration). There you can select the boot order for your video out. I think by default PEG(integrated gpu)/PCI(dedicated gpu) is selected. Once you switch this the other way around (if you use a dedicated gpu) the strange booting behavior will stop.

 

[Omiee]

PC age i need your help, iv been reading up on this and im seeing a lot of different thoughts from people.
My friend is building his pc and with the help of this thread i made a few lists for him to choose from, but it comes down to 2 things he is not sure about.
first is the cpu cooler if its better to go with the venemous or with the h50.
and second is the videocard, should he go for the asus 6950 and is it easy to overclock it to a 6970.
or should he go for a 570.

 

[teh_pwn]

Like this one?

Well, so you said you want to overclock. I've got the MSI P67A-GD55 but I don't overclock.

I got it because:
-It was in stock and P67 is rarely in stock.
-It could do GPU CF/SLI
-2 SATA 6Gb and 4 SATA 3Gb is good enough for a couple of SSD, a RAID of traditional HDD, and a couple of disc drives.

The only thing I don't like is that I was there was even more space for other PCIe/PCI slots. I'm not sure if I can CF and fit in a video capture card if I wanted.

I really like the BIOS. It's GUI with mouse support. My wireless mouse worked without issues.

If you intend on setting up RAID, be absolutely sure to configure the BIOS before installing Windows. These MSI boards default to IDE mode, and RAID is implicitly something else (ACHI I think), so if you install windows on IDE, and then enable RAID, you won't be able to boot windows without reinstalling.

If you overclock, be sure to get the correct RAM. The MSI board doesn't natively support 1600 MHz for example, but it will if you overclock.

 

[LabouredSubterfuge]

Are the GTX 590 and ATI 6990 both essentially dual GPU cards? Are they both guaranteed to suffer from microstuttering?

 

[n0n44m]

Are the GTX 590 and ATI 6990 both essentially dual GPU cards? Are they both guaranteed to suffer from microstuttering?

essentially? yeah they're dual GPU cards, and microstuttering is thus a possibility

regarding microstuttering however, I saw this test on computerbase.de in which it seems Nvidia is actively trying to reduce it through their drivers? (doesn't always work but hey)

I think I'll be getting a second GTX480 (and beefier PSU) this week because less and less of them are still in stock and selling it used will not pay enough to buy something even remotely as fast ... I just hope the improved SLI scaling/anti-microstutter in the 500 series is also there for the 400 series

 

[EarsOfASnake]

what's your motherboard? (Asus) Sandy Bridge motherboards had a BIOS update for this sort of behaviour

I guess you're using a cpu with integrated gpu.
Go into your bios (in case of my Asus P67 its in the Advanced menu in the advanced section, then System Agent Configuration). There you can select the boot order for your video out. I think by default PEG(integrated gpu)/PCI(dedicated gpu) is selected. Once you switch this the other way around (if you use a dedicated gpu) the strange booting behavior will stop.

Did both and the issue has been resolved, thanks for your help guys.

 

[TheExodu5]

Are the GTX 590 and ATI 6990 both essentially dual GPU cards? Are they both guaranteed to suffer from microstuttering?

There's really no point in getting the dual GPU cards, other than saving space. Get one high end card, and if you decide you really want the extra performance, go ahead and get a second one. Single GPU cards are easier to sell off once you're done with them.

 

[Corky]

why god? Why won't you let me have nice things? Have I offended you in some way?

siiiiigh....


Downloaded shogun 2 demo. Played for an hour and my pc crashed ( mind you first crash on this pc in like 4 months or so ). Rebooted the pc and after a few minutes my screen went into power-save mode and wouldn't "get back on". Turned off the pc and let it be for a while.

Turned it on a couple of minutes or so later, ran unigine to see if something is bonkers with my gpus. First run was ok ( though I got 10% lower fps than usual hmm ) but the second run didn't finish instead it crashed to desktop with the following error message :
"D3D11AppWindow::do_swap(): device removed."

So I said fuck it and turned the pc off, the problem is after windows shut down my pc itself would not shut down for some reason. Right now I'm too angry to turn on the pc to keep troubleshooting.

i5 760@4
sli 460s @ moderate OC ( stable, been playing for a good while with it )
w7 64 sp1
last format a month or so ago, otherwise totally "clean"

Any ideas before I go bezerk?

 

[h3ro]

Hey PC-GAF,

I'd like to add on an internal hard drive to my current desktop. I'd ultimately like to add perhaps a 1TB drive (but I'm flexible from 500GB to 2TB, depending on price and quality). I'm adding the drive on mainly for extra storage of media and streaming.

Could you guys recommend a drive? I looked at some random HDs on Amazon, but I'm not too sure on what stats I should be looking for and what manufacturers to be cautious with. I'll defer that to you guys and would go with what you think is best.

I'd like to spend less than $60 if possible, but I'd go over that if needed for a better quality drive.

Also, do drives come with the necessary SATA cable? If not, which cable should I be picking up? Does it depend on manufacturer of the disk?

 

[TheExodu5]

On the issue of a CPU - How long would it seem my 4.5ghz OC'd Sandy Bridge last within reason? What I mean is at what point is something like this CPU (while amazing) going to bottleneck me with these amazing looking games in the future? I feel really comfortable but if even somethi"

Sandy Bridge is so far ahead of the curve here, I don't expect you'll be realistically bottlenecked for another 4-5 years. Single cores are not really going to get much (if at all) faster over the next 5 years...all we can expect is more parallel cores. Not too many games support more than 4 cores, and the ones that do have absolutely no issues running on an overclocked 2500K (or even an overclocked Q6600 for that matter). The only game that will actually benefit, that I can think of, is Civilization V, when the end game turns take a while to compute.

 

[Kenka]

Sandy Bridge is so far ahead of the curve here, I don't expect you'll be realistically bottlenecked for another 4-5 years. Single cores are not really going to get much (if at all) faster over the next 5 years...all we can expect is more parallel cores. Not too many games support more than 4 cores, and the ones that do have absolutely no issues running on an overclocked 2500K (or even an overclocked Q6600 for that matter). The only game that will actually benefit, that I can think of, is Civilization V, when the end game turns take a while to compute.

Talking about bottlenecks, what is the piece of hardware that slows the whole thing nowadays ? Would I dare to say... HDDs ?

 

[TheExodu5]

Talking about bottlenecks, what is the piece of hardware that slows the whole thing nowadays ? Would I dare to say... HDDs ?

It really depends on the situation.

Let's say Windows is loading a ton of apps into memory as you're booting them up...HDDs will become a bottleneck. Let's say the apps are running and are running intense mathematical calculations, the CPU becomes a bottleneck.

Now, in games, it depends. Some games stream data in the background, but as long as it's done ahead of time and in an even pace, HDDs are not likely to be a bottleneck. However, some games don't stream very well, and will actually 'skip' as you encounter a new area...that tends to indicate an HDD bottleneck. Gears of War and Lord of the Rings Online are good examples of this. Titan's Quest Immortal Throne is an extreme example of this (there was a bug near the end which would make it write/read from the HDD thousands of time in one place, and the game would slow to 1-2fps on conventional HDDs). If the game doesn't stream, then the only place HDDs will have an impact is on loading times.

Now, CPU demands on games tend to be fairly constant, no matter the graphical setting. This isn't always true (see: Starcraft 2). A bottleneck isn't too hard to indentify though. If you're getting a poor framerate, and you reduce the resolution, and the framerate stays the same, it means you have a CPU bottleneck. If the framerate goes up, you've got a GPU bottleneck.

 

[PantherLotus]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...1060&cm_re=dvi_to_hdmi-_-82-021-060-_-Product

Sweet, thanks for the help.

Muy pequeno problemo. I'm at home now with the new cpu, adapter properly plugged in, but no bueno -- the monitor can't detect a signal from the HDMI (transferred to a DVI) signal.

What now?

Monitor: Dell S2309w

 

[scorcho]

Sweet, thanks for the help.

Muy pequeno problemo. I'm at home now with the new cpu, adapter properly plugged in, but no bueno -- the monitor can't detect a signal from the HDMI (transferred to a DVI) signal.

What now?

Monitor: Dell S2309w

cheaper on Monoprice!

http://www.monoprice.com/products/p...=10419&cs_id=1041902&p_id=2081&seq=1&format=2

check to make sure the cables are properly seated? i've used a bunch of these adapters for various monitiors around my place and the parent's without issue.

 

[Ptaaty]

I bought myself a OCZ Vertex 2 90GB SSD for a paltry ~$105 after coupons and rebate.

What has surprised me is how everything is faster...I expected the boot time speed, but everything flies now. Even the internet is faster - which I guess makes sense due to cached data.

I would say for general windows use, the SSD has made a bigger impact than the move from dual to quad core for me.

Even though the photos themselves are on another drive, Picasa and Lightroom open at a blistering speed even after reboots. I can't even time Picasa - instant. Lightroom is about half second to splash screen, 2 seconds until library shows. Office products - I can open a word doc after a reboot loading word and the doc in 2-3 seconds....sick.

Anyway, I am a convert. SSD worth it completely as the OS and install drive. My game installs are on another drive - steam and GFWL both like stuff all in one drive and I have just too many GB to fit them all.

 

[Johnny2Bags]

why god? Why won't you let me have nice things? Have I offended you in some way?

siiiiigh....


Downloaded shogun 2 demo. Played for an hour and my pc crashed ( mind you first crash on this pc in like 4 months or so ). Rebooted the pc and after a few minutes my screen went into power-save mode and wouldn't "get back on". Turned off the pc and let it be for a while.

Turned it on a couple of minutes or so later, ran unigine to see if something is bonkers with my gpus. First run was ok ( though I got 10% lower fps than usual hmm ) but the second run didn't finish instead it crashed to desktop with the following error message :
"D3D11AppWindow::do_swap(): device removed."

So I said fuck it and turned the pc off, the problem is after windows shut down my pc itself would not shut down for some reason. Right now I'm too angry to turn on the pc to keep troubleshooting.

i5 760@4
sli 460s @ moderate OC ( stable, been playing for a good while with it )
w7 64 sp1
last format a month or so ago, otherwise totally "clean"

Any ideas before I go bezerk?

Jump up one step on the GPU voltages... or jump down a small step on your OC... People have had that error when the gpus under full load in SLI are missing a small bit of juice...

If you want to keep the clock kick it up a very small notch, or if not then throttle back a tad?

 

[MikeE21286]

I bought myself a OCZ Vertex 2 90GB SSD for a paltry ~$105 after coupons and rebate.

What has surprised me is how everything is faster...I expected the boot time speed, but everything flies now. Even the internet is faster - which I guess makes sense due to cached data.

I would say for general windows use, the SSD has made a bigger impact than the move from dual to quad core for me.

Even though the photos themselves are on another drive, Picasa and Lightroom open at a blistering speed even after reboots. I can't even time Picasa - instant. Lightroom is about half second to splash screen, 2 seconds until library shows. Office products - I can open a word doc after a reboot loading word and the doc in 2-3 seconds....sick.

Anyway, I am a convert. SSD worth it completely as the OS and install drive. My game installs are on another drive - steam and GFWL both like stuff all in one drive and I have just too many GB to fit them all.

0/\0

I got the same SSD in the same deal! Loving it

 

[Corky]

Jump up one step on the GPU voltages... or jump down a small step on your OC... People have had that error when the gpus under full load in SLI are missing a small bit of juice...

If you want to keep the clock kick it up a very small notch, or if not then throttle back a tad?

I don't know man, unigine has been working well for ages but all of the sudden everything has gone fubar after playing that motherfucking godforsaken shogun 2 demo....

I don't know, maybe I'll just sell of my stuff and stick to braindead push to play consolegaming I think I've had enough

edit :

reinstalled my drivers, removed msi OC software. Now I can't even enable SLI in my nvidia control panel without the screen going black / pc dying....

That's IT!!!!!, my main goal is to isolate the faulty component / problem so I can sell off my stuff with good concsience.

 

[Johnny2Bags]

I don't know man, unigine has been working well for ages but all of the sudden everything has gone fubar after playing that motherfucking godforsaken shogun 2 demo....

I don't know, maybe I'll just sell of my stuff and stick to braindead push to play consolegaming I think I've had enough

LOL

Please don't do that =)

and for what it's worth the game looks pretty spiffy. Very strange that this issue has just cropped up for ya tho. Have you recently updated drivers? or MOBO bios?

 

[Corky]

LOL

Please don't do that =)

and for what it's worth the game looks pretty spiffy. Very strange that this issue has just cropped up for ya tho. Have you recently updated drivers? or MOBO bios?

Nope, I'm very anal about my pc I keep it more tidy than I keep the world around me. I don't touch drivers if nothing is broken. I don't flash this or that or do anything out of the ordinary. I don't know what happened but the straw that broke the camels back and all that.

 

[Johnny2Bags]

Actually the deeper I'm digging this seems to be also related to tesselation in dx 11 as well. Hopefully someone with more experience can help us.

 

[teh_pwn]

Just wanted to add that it's worth checking CPU temps.

I'm using a 2600 (not overclocking), and found out mine was idling around 65 C.

Reseated the heatsink with more thermal paste (very little came with intel's stock heatsink). Now idles 50.

 

[TheExodu5]

I bought myself a OCZ Vertex 2 90GB SSD for a paltry ~$105 after coupons and rebate.

What has surprised me is how everything is faster...I expected the boot time speed, but everything flies now. Even the internet is faster - which I guess makes sense due to cached data.

I would say for general windows use, the SSD has made a bigger impact than the move from dual to quad core for me.

Even though the photos themselves are on another drive, Picasa and Lightroom open at a blistering speed even after reboots. I can't even time Picasa - instant. Lightroom is about half second to splash screen, 2 seconds until library shows. Office products - I can open a word doc after a reboot loading word and the doc in 2-3 seconds....sick.

Anyway, I am a convert. SSD worth it completely as the OS and install drive. My game installs are on another drive - steam and GFWL both like stuff all in one drive and I have just too many GB to fit them all.

Know what else is awesome? No more hard disk scratching 24/7.

 

[Corky]

Actually the deeper I'm digging this seems to be also related to tesselation in dx 11 as well. Hopefully someone with more experience can help us.

I'm doing one last go at this :

I uninstalled everything that had to do with overclocking.
So now everything is running stock ( except my cpu ofc ).
I opened my pc and had a look at the sli-bridge. Couldn't spot anything wierd. Put it back on.
Now I can atleast enable sli in my control panel without it crashing ( but it still acts wierd, for example taking abit longer than usual to actually switch to SLI ).
And ofc unigine still crashes for some reason now at stock. And if unigine crashes all of the sudden I guess everything else is fucked up the ass, also I have games on my pc atm to try.

So any idea? I reinstalled the nvidia drivers, tried to reinstall dx11 but setup says its up to date so it wont reinstall.

I sooooooooooooo want to sell it but my conscience won't let me until I know the root of the problem.

 

[Johnny2Bags]

I'm doing one last go at this :

I uninstalled everything that had to do with overclocking.
So now everything is running stock ( except my cpu ofc ).
I opened my pc and had a look at the sli-bridge. Couldn't spot anything wierd. Put it back on.
Now I can atleast enable sli in my control panel without it crashing ( but it still acts wierd, for example taking abit longer than usual to actually switch to SLI ).
And ofc unigine still crashes for some reason now at stock. And if unigine crashes all of the sudden I guess everything else is fucked up the ass, also I have games on my pc atm to try.

So any idea? I reinstalled the nvidia drivers, tried to reinstall dx11 but setup says its up to date so it wont reinstall.

I sooooooooooooo want to sell it but my conscience won't let me until I know the root of the problem.

Hmm.. could you try a recent game you have with tesselation enabled and then disabled to see if that has anything to do with it? because that would be microsoft's problem, or driver problem not your hardware. But if Unigine is crashing??

I can't comment on the delay with switching to SLI cuz i'm running crossfire. Keep me updated. Pc's can sure be a headache =(

 

[h3ro]

Hey PC-GAF,

I'd like to add on an internal hard drive to my current desktop. I'd ultimately like to add perhaps a 1TB drive (but I'm flexible from 500GB to 2TB, depending on price and quality). I'm adding the drive on mainly for extra storage of media and streaming.

Could you guys recommend a drive? I looked at some random HDs on Amazon, but I'm not too sure on what stats I should be looking for and what manufacturers to be cautious with. I'll defer that to you guys and would go with what you think is best.

I'd like to spend less than $60 if possible, but I'd go over that if needed for a better quality drive.

Also, do drives come with the necessary SATA cable? If not, which cable should I be picking up? Does it depend on manufacturer of the disk?

I was hoping to put in an order today, I'd appreciate any input!

 

[Corky]

Hmm.. could you try a recent game you have with tesselation enabled and then disabled to see if that has anything to do with it? because that would be microsoft's problem, or driver problem not your hardware. But if Unigine is crashing??

I can't comment on the delay with switching to SLI cuz i'm running crossfire. Keep me updated. Pc's can sure be a headache =(

Hey man, I think I've gotten a step closer to the shitroot... I tried unigine again, this time I ran it in dx10, no tesselation at all.

Still crashed, but this time instead of : " "D3D11AppWindow::do_swap(): device removed." I obviously got "D3D10AppWindow::do_swap(): device removed."

So that leads me to 100% believe it has nothing to do with tesselation. Oh well

 

[evil solrac v3.0]

I was hoping to put in an order today, I'd appreciate any input!

samsung spinpoint F3.

 

[kevm3]

Not sure if this is the right place to ask, but what kind of speaker system are you guys using with your PCs? Been thinking of maybe getting a surround sound system going on, but I'm not sure where to start. I'm pretty sure I'll need a sound card of some sort too.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=348320

 

[LowParry]

Alright, need some input on this.

Here's what I have (and looking to upgrade):

CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 940 Black Edition Deneb 3.0GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM2+ 125W Quad-Core Processor
RAM: Kingston ValueRAM 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit
Mobo: GIGABYTE GA-MA790X-UD4 AM2+/AM2 AMD 790X ATX AMD Motherboard

These are the upgrades I've looked over:

CPU: AMD Phenom II X6 1090T Black Edition Thuban 3.2GHz 6 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 125W Six-Core Desktop Processor
RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800)
Mobo: ASUS M4A79XTD EVO AM3 AMD 790X ATX AMD


Keeping: TX650W PSU, 5850 Sapphire Toxic 1GB, two HDDs (each 500 GB). My tower I'm probably going to replace with the (COOLER MASTER HAF 932 RC-932-KKN1-GP Black Steel ATX Full Tower).

Are the upgrade valid for performance boosts? Is there anything coming out soon I should keep an eye out to wait on on upgrading?

 

[momolicious]

Is there a point of having more than one fan in the case if your not going to overclock? I have a 8800GT in a stock dell case with one fan and its quiet and nothing ever overheated even when playing games. The case only has like one big stock case fan in front. I think its pointless to have a gaming computer that has lots of case fans and holes all over making tons of noise when you dont need it.

 

[GHG]

Alright, need some input on this.

Here's what I have (and looking to upgrade):

CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 940 Black Edition Deneb 3.0GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM2+ 125W Quad-Core Processor
RAM: Kingston ValueRAM 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit
Mobo: GIGABYTE GA-MA790X-UD4 AM2+/AM2 AMD 790X ATX AMD Motherboard

These are the upgrades I've looked over:

CPU: AMD Phenom II X6 1090T Black Edition Thuban 3.2GHz 6 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 125W Six-Core Desktop Processor
RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800)
Mobo: ASUS M4A79XTD EVO AM3 AMD 790X ATX AMD


Keeping: TX650W PSU, 5850 Sapphire Toxic 1GB, two HDDs (each 500 GB). My tower I'm probably going to replace with the (COOLER MASTER HAF 932 RC-932-KKN1-GP Black Steel ATX Full Tower).

Are the upgrade valid for performance boosts? Is there anything coming out soon I should keep an eye out to wait on on upgrading?

What are you looking to upgrade for? That upgrade will cost you a decent sum of money yet you'll have no noticable performence increase, especially in games.

The AM3+ CPU's are just around the corner in a month or 2 and are rumoured to rival the i5 and i7 in terms of performence for less cost (obviously because its AMD). They are also meant to be backwards compatible with the AM3 socket just like AM3 was with AM2.

Hold off if you want to stick with AMD. If not go the Sandy Bridge route if you have to do a CPU/MOBO/RAM upgrade right now.

 

[Mr Nightman]

Is there a point of having more than one fan in the case if your not going to overclock? I have a 8800GT in a stock dell case with one fan and its quiet and nothing ever overheated even when playing games. The case only has like one big stock case fan in front. I think its pointless to have a gaming computer that has lots of case fans and holes all over making tons of noise when you dont need it.

well I mean only one front fan really isnt that great, I personally have a front intake 120mm, and a rear exaust 120mm fan in my case, keeps things cool and quiet. I know how cramped a stock dell case can be, and 8800gt's run hot as is, so it really wouldnt hurt to get a second fan