Ryusei said:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130579&cm_re=msi_h67-_-13-130-579-_-Product
It's actually $15 cheaper.
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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130579&cm_re=msi_h67-_-13-130-579-_-Product
It's actually $15 cheaper.
I hope someone can correct me if I'm somehow missing something here. I don't see much reason to get the 955 over the i3 2100 at this point. It's faster in quad-core only applications, but overall it will not be as good for gaming and emulation. It doesn't leave any upgrade possibilities open at all.
Ryusei said:
If you want to keep the option of getting a better overclockable CPU down the road, you could also get this one:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130576&cm_re=p67_c43-_-13-130-576-_-Product
If you never want to bother overclocking, then it won't make a difference. Know though, that the 2100 isn't overclockable...this would only be for possible upgrades in the future.
TheExodu5 said:
Well I think the only thing to mention is that you can't overclock the SB i3 at all. Otherwise I think it is a good performance chip for a budget build and leaves you with a full visibility upgrade path. Even if I could buy into a mobo that could slot a Bulldozer and the 955 I'd be concerned about what actually happens with that chip.
Wallach said:
It's true that the AM3+ motherboards are out right now...but yeah, that upgrade path isn't quite certain. Even using just currently released CPUs, the upgrade from the i3 2100 to the i5 2500k is pretty massive in terms of performance difference (if using a P67 motherboard), so it already has a very nice upgrade path.
I'm still very skeptical as to the Bulldozer CPUs being better gaming CPUs than the i5 2500k. I guess we'll fine out in a few months.
toastyToast
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Since Bulldozer isn't looking too impressive from the previews I'll be going for an i5 2500K.
Right now Z68 boards are attracting a small premium here. Are there any compelling reasons to choose it over P67? I don't relly care about using the onboard video.
Right now Z68 boards are attracting a small premium here. Are there any compelling reasons to choose it over P67? I don't relly care about using the onboard video.
toasty_T said:
Not really. My only reason for going Z68 would be that the Gigabyte Z68 boards look sexy as hell. If you don't care about that, then no.
Coldsnap said:
Only if you see a reason why to do so (performance improvements in a game you're playing, fixes, etc...). If you have no issues with your current drivers, then stick with them.
I always caution against upgrading drivers early. It wouldn't be the first time that nvidia botched a driver release.
MMaRsu
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Hey guys I have come into a little bit of money and want to upgrade my old system bit by bit. I should get some more money soon so this'll be the first step.
These are my specs :
Intel Celeron D 3.56Ghz
1GB Ram
Onboard videocard ( lol )
Would I really need to upgrade my cpu first? I think I have a pretty recent motherboard although I'm not sure which exactly, how to check that?
Thinking of putting at least 2GB ram extra in and a new Geforce card..
This a good card? "EVGA GeForce GTX550Ti OverClocked"
These are my specs :
Intel Celeron D 3.56Ghz
1GB Ram
Onboard videocard ( lol )
Would I really need to upgrade my cpu first? I think I have a pretty recent motherboard although I'm not sure which exactly, how to check that?
Thinking of putting at least 2GB ram extra in and a new Geforce card..
This a good card? "EVGA GeForce GTX550Ti OverClocked"
black_vegeta
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MMaRsu said:
i5 2500k
Also, what is your price range for the whole upgrade?
Looks like I am in need of a new processor for TW2. Currently on a x2 550 Phenom, I see the Intel 2500k has been recommended but presumably I would need a new motherboard for that? Ideally I would be upgrading one component rather than two but is it worth it? Budget not a major issue but would rather squeeze more value out of the money if possible. (ignorant about hardware fwiw)
Hero_of_the_Day
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MMaRsu said:
Just to be clear, he's saying you can't "start with the CPU". You need a whole new computer.
Motherboard, CPU, RAM, Graphics card. Go to the first post if you want to see some price suggestions. Don't waste time or money trying to upgrade the fossil you have.
EDIT: To be a little more helpful. If your case, hard drive, power supply (most likely not to cut it out of these, but maybe), and DVD drive are still good, you can build the suggested $600 range computer in the first post for $500. If you need to go cheaper I'm sure people can help make suggestions.
bwtw said:
Well your choices would be:
Cheapest option:
AMD x4 955 - $115
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$115
Middle option:
Core i5 2400 - $190
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MSI PH67S-C43 - $85
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$275
Pricey option:
Core i5 2500k - $220
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MSI P67A-C43 - $115
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Cooler Master Hyper 212+ - $30
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$365
The first option would double your CPU performance for games that use 4 cores, but wouldn't do anything for games that don't. The second option is the cheapest way to get a quad-core Sandy Bridge, which is maybe 50% faster than the 955. The last option would allow you to have a Sandy Bridge CPU overclockable to around 4.6GHZ-5.0GHz...which is probably almost double the performance of the stock 955.
Your call, really. 955 is definitely the best value, but the 2500k would have a much longer life.
You could just get the 955 now, and wait on the CPU for a few years...it's not like many games really need more than the 955 offers right now (beyond maybe emulation, and a few standouts like SC2 and BFBC2).
cartman414
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Wallach said:
They are coming out with the 2120K.
cartman414 said:
It might make a good emulation CPU, but beyond that, I don't see the point. The cost of overclocking is around $60 (motherboard premium + unlocked premium + CPU cooler). If you're going to spend that much, you could just up the 2100 to a 2400 (or up your budget a bit and go P67 + 2500k + cooler).
If you already have a CPU cooler lying around, then it might be more attractive, though.
I don't like recommending Zotac cards...but shit, this is a really good deal:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...500202&cm_sp=DailyDeal-_-14-500-202-_-Product
$127 after rebate for a GTX 460 1GB (non SE).
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...500202&cm_sp=DailyDeal-_-14-500-202-_-Product
$127 after rebate for a GTX 460 1GB (non SE).
wandering goat
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SneakyStephan said:
I don't know why it happened, but what you can try is to download MSI Afterburner. In this program, you can set up a new automatic fan profile (ie. 10% below 50C, then ramping up as you like it). I found that you can often lower the fan speed in this program more than you can in CCC. The option may not be available though unless you actually create an auto fan profile. My card for example is has a min of 20% in both programs for manual speed, but the auto fan profile (found under Settings) allows for 10%.
I'm running two 8800 GTX's in SLI, and just today one of them seems to have died. Both of them were code 43 in the device manager, so I tried installing the latest drivers. This seems to have sort of worked as now only one of them is code 43.
My question is, is this one that is code 43 dead completely now? Trying to hold off building a new computer till the Fall so if I can get this one working/ensure they won't both die that'd be great. Are chances good that the one that hasn't died will last me until Sept/Oct?
My question is, is this one that is code 43 dead completely now? Trying to hold off building a new computer till the Fall so if I can get this one working/ensure they won't both die that'd be great. Are chances good that the one that hasn't died will last me until Sept/Oct?
metsallica
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HT | Omega Claro
Anyone have thoughts on this sound card? I have Klipsch ProMedia Ultra 5.1s and plan on playing older games, newer games, and the occasional Blu-Ray. I was going to buy a Xonar, but was swayed by the model I wanted being out of stock / great reviews of the Claro. I realize it doesn't support recent versions of EAX, not a huge deal, but are there other issues I'm missing? How is it with HD audio? Please be brutal if necessary, as I can still return it!
Anyone have thoughts on this sound card? I have Klipsch ProMedia Ultra 5.1s and plan on playing older games, newer games, and the occasional Blu-Ray. I was going to buy a Xonar, but was swayed by the model I wanted being out of stock / great reviews of the Claro. I realize it doesn't support recent versions of EAX, not a huge deal, but are there other issues I'm missing? How is it with HD audio? Please be brutal if necessary, as I can still return it!
Any advice for stopping the screen tearing/flickering on my geforce GTS 250? Bad Company 2 and the original witcher both suffer. I am forcing vsync and triple buffering through d3d and that doesnt help. I am thinking about reverting to a good set of drivers, would that help since the latest ones don't focus on this card?
j2theizzay
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What are some good fans for a push/pull config on a corsair H60? Also what would be some good but quiet exhaust case fans for the top of my 650D. I'm leaning towards the noctuas, but the color is so bad. Or would the stock 200mm be fine for O/C i7 2600k and 460 sli'd.
TheExodu5 said:
That is possible. I have a 22 inch monitor but thought that getting one with a higher resolution would put even more strain on my eyes. But maybe I could bump the size up to 24 and it would be easier for my eyes? I kind of like the size of my monitor now but maybe I should get a 23 or 24 to see how it is.
Ok, so I was playing starcraft today, and a teal-ish colored vertical line just showed up on my monitor:
I tried restarting and turning everything on and off, and my other screen has no defect, so I'm guessing its the monitor going to shit.....
Anything I can do besides buy a new monitor????
Thanks.
(P.S.) I realize now that it was stupid to use SCII in the image, because the line is less obvious, but I think its pretty clear on the left side of the screen....
I tried restarting and turning everything on and off, and my other screen has no defect, so I'm guessing its the monitor going to shit.....
Anything I can do besides buy a new monitor????
Thanks.
(P.S.) I realize now that it was stupid to use SCII in the image, because the line is less obvious, but I think its pretty clear on the left side of the screen....
I posted my findings on this back a few pages.TheExodu5 said:
I'm sort of in the same boat. But... it's a dual core so it is super off putting even though it is stupid fast. Considering BD has been delayed and the costs are similar I've been on the fence about replacing the x4 955 with it. Sigh.
I do want some more benches at gaming resolutions though, not too many around besides anandtech really. I guess if you think about it as budget rig it is a better upgrade path and better for most games (RTS mainly).
* I relooked at the anand benches again and I remember why I didn't put in a 2100 straight away. The 955 gets above 60FPS in most of those titles. So it is sort of a blind hope that games use quads (Like BF3 or something). Still want another 2 review sites or user reviews before I make that call. At least 1155 should be supported with Ivy.
** http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-gaming-cpu-core-i3-2100-phenom-ii-x6-1075t,2859.html
Trading blows on most things. I rechecked the specs and the 2100 has HT, which might explain the numbers. HT honestly might just be enough to persuade me over since most games meant for quads just run 60-70% on it.
*** http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1501/13/
Any other thoughts on this?
Looking good!Van Owen said:Got mine put together today. I had a tough time getting some of the thicker cables behind the motherboard on the R3. Oh well, it will be closed most of the time anyway.
It's most likely the monitors fault.Ultrabum said:
BloodySinner
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I am I crazy for wanting a dual GTX 580 setup? Been thinking about it for a while now...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRZpDp9m7To&feature=feedu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRZpDp9m7To&feature=feedu
It seems that for the $300-$350 price range, 2x6850 in CF represents the best performance available. Should I really be looking at this setup over a single 6970? If I buy 2 reference cards, I could actually come in at about $320 after MIR. I'd rather buy a couple non-reference cards with better/quieter cooling, though.
I'm thinking about this one from Sapphire.
Any thoughts?
I'm thinking about this one from Sapphire.
Any thoughts?
MesserWolf
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dual GPU can be a real pain in the ass and they waste a lot of Watts (not to mention double noise).evanft said:
I always prefer single GPU over dual .
Unknown Soldier
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My suggestion has always been buy the fastest single GPU you can afford. You can always add a second identical GPU later on when prices come down as they inevitably do.
There is no point to SLI/Crossfire using anything other than the top-end cards of the moment, because the choice between 2 midrange cards in SLI/Crossfire compared to 1 top-end card is always, ALWAYS in favor of the single card. In other words, you either buy the best card in pairs for a planned SLI/Crossfire right away, or you buy the best card now and plan to add another one later when it's cheaper, or you just don't go multi-GPU. No other scenario other than these 2 ever makes sense in terms of performance or value.
There is no point to SLI/Crossfire using anything other than the top-end cards of the moment, because the choice between 2 midrange cards in SLI/Crossfire compared to 1 top-end card is always, ALWAYS in favor of the single card. In other words, you either buy the best card in pairs for a planned SLI/Crossfire right away, or you buy the best card now and plan to add another one later when it's cheaper, or you just don't go multi-GPU. No other scenario other than these 2 ever makes sense in terms of performance or value.
Unknown Soldier said:
Here's a comparison between dual 6850's and a single 6970.
The 2x6850's win in practically every benchmark with only some added power draw and noise.
It might look good on paper, but its so much more fiddly than a single GPU. You frequently have to wait post release for games to have proper SLI/Crossfire support. If you're the kind of person that needs to play your favourite genres day 1, you will often have to be content with running it at half power until a driver hotfix comes out, or a game patch to improve scaling, or whatever. It's not as simple as looking at performance charts of mature games on mature drivers. If you're prepared for all that, and you generally like to tinker, give it a try I guess. You'll learn from the experience at least.evanft said:
TheExodu5 said:
typically a dual core of the same architecture will overclock much better (25%) than a quad core counterpart... ie the C2D wolfdales were hitting 4-5ghz easily while the yorkfields were struggling to even hit 4ghz. even with current games, benchmarks show that clockspeed is king when it comes to gaming so depending on your priorities, a highly clocked dual core sandy bridge would be preferable over a modestly clocked quad.
also on the cooler, one of the best coolers on the market, the coolermaster hyper 212 is under $20 when on sale... so thats a moot point
Fredescu said:
Eh, screw that. I'll just get a single 6950 and maybe add on a second one later.
How's this one?
Or should I save money now and get a 1 GB?
Hazaro said:
Well, it's hard to say that one is downright better than the other. I mean, if the buyer says they're only interested in BFBC2, then I'd probably recommend the 955. If they're interested in SC2 or emulation, then I'd recommend the 2100. I think that overall, the 2100 is just more useful to gaming, as it nearly matches the 955 in quad-core applications, but will be significantly faster in games that are limited by clock speed. And again, the upgrade path is clear and the upgrade potential is pretty massive, even today.
kpx0 said:
Yeah...I guess if it really does overclock better, it might be an attractive buy. If it could reach maybe 5.5GHz, it would make a stupidly good/cheap emulation and gaming cpu.
j2theizzay
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For those looking to get a good midrange card, newegg has Asus gtx 460 1gb for $169.99+shipping. Got an email from newegg today with a promo code EMCKDKH43 to drop the price down to $149.99. Throw in a $30 mail in rebate for $119.99+shipping.
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