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"I Need a New PC!" 2014 Part 1. 1080p and 60FPS is so last-gen and your 2500K is fine

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mr stroke

Member
I need some advice on a new 24" monitor.....it's for a Mac Mini so it needs to stay in the 1080p ballpark. The best thing I've seen so far is the Apple cinema display even though it's glossy and really expensive. I've heard a lot about the cheap Korean monitors that are great, do they hit that Apple display level easily? Keep in mind I can't go for the 1440p type monitors.

Take a look at the Dells S line monitors
They have a 27" 1080p high gloss that looks like an apple display but for around $275. I own three and really like them for how cheap they are.
 

LiquidMetal14

hide your water-based mammals
So, my 780Ti is here. And I plugged these settings into Tomb Raider:

tombraidersettingsaaejo.png


And then ran the benchmark.

High: 62fps
Low: 48fps
Average: 54fps

It's okay, I guess.

SLI scaling doing it's job pretty well. What kind of CPU do you have? Perhaps my OC edition 780ti's have more power but I'm also on a 6 core Intel CPU as well. Also, SSAA makes the hair fine but it seems like the shadow underneath leaves something to be desired. It is what it is though.

Regarding Speevy's build, it's probably the quickest I've ever put together and easiest to get running. Glad he's enjoying it. I learned a few more things about packing so I will be using similar techniques next time I have to ship a rig out whole like his.
 

jiggles

Banned
SLI scaling doing it's job pretty well. What kind of CPU do you have? Perhaps my OC edition 780ti's have more power but I'm also on a 6 core Intel CPU as well. Also, SSAA makes the hair fine but it seems like the shadow underneath leaves something to be desired. It is what it is though.


i7 4770K, but clocked to 4.4GHz when boosting, and it's the MSI OC edition 780Ti I have.

SSAA really messes the hair up for me, though. It jitters about in the benchmark like it has a mind of its own, while no AA has it sitting naturally and gently blowing to the side.
 

LiquidMetal14

hide your water-based mammals
i7 4770K, but clocked to 4.4GHz when boosting, and it's the MSI OC edition 780Ti I have.

SSAA really messes the hair up for me, though. It jitters about in the benchmark like it has a mind of its own, while no AA has it sitting naturally and gently blowing to the side.

I was reading about that issue a while back and thought either new drivers or a new game patch fixed that. Seems like it's still an issue on your end.

I got that score but my 3930k is only at 4ghz right now. I had to tone down my 4.6ghz OC since my 850w PSU was being pushed too hard. I can still OC the GPU's to where I had them before but the CPU OC has taken a step back in favor of the 2 GPU's. Next years Haswell-E build will likely have a 1200w.
 

jiggles

Banned
Actually, I played around a little more, and it turns out I had Vsync on.

Vsync on and SSAA off, the hair is fine.
Vsync off and SSAA on, the hair is fine.

Vsync on and SSAA on, however, looks like this:
trgif.gifyer1l.gif


So you can basically pick any two of SSAA, Vsync and TressFX, but all 3 doesn't work.

Also, how great is ShadowPlay that I could show this so easily?
 

Dawg

Member
Actually, I played around a little more, and it turns out I had Vsync on.

Vsync on and SSAA off, the hair is fine.
Vsync off and SSAA on, the hair is fine.

Vsync on and SSAA on, however, looks like this:
trgif.gifyer1l.gif


So you can basically pick any two of SSAA, Vsync and TressFX, but all 3 doesn't work.

Also, how great is ShadowPlay that I could show this so easily?

More fps as well then? Those earlier values actually make sense with vsync on :p
 

Erebus

Member
My GTX 460 is showing its age at this point but I think I should probably hold off upgrading until nVidia's 800 series is out (whenever that is).
 

jiggles

Banned
LiquidMetal14 said:
How did you make that GIF, gifcam?
Yeah, I resized the video player for the ShadowPlay-exported file and overlaid GifCam while it was playing.

More fps as well then? Those earlier values actually make sense with vsync on :p

Yup. With Vsync off (but still with the SSAA), it's
Low: 49fps
High: 84fps
Average: 67fps

And with both off it goes to
Low: 66fps
High: 124fps
Average:93fps
 

Dawg

Member
My GTX 460 is showing its age at this point but I think I should probably hold off upgrading until nVidia's 800 series is out (whenever that is).

At this point, even a GTX 7xx would be a pretty big upgrade for you. But yeah, 8xx will be even better so if you can wait, why not eh?

That said, 8xx will likely not be the big upgrade people were expecting? I remember it would crush 6/7xx but now that jump in tech has been delayed till 2015 or something? :( I remember reading something about smaller nm production taking longer.
 
I recently purchased the Asus VX229H and noticed some odd scaling going on with in-game text during load screens. I adjusted the overscan setting to 0 in the control catalyst center and connected my 360 to see if the issue persisted. Text in game seems to be distorted so I have to ask if this is a common occurrence with Asus monitors?
Any suggestions would be most welcome.
 

Erebus

Member
At this point, even a GTX 7xx would be a pretty big upgrade for you. But yeah, 8xx will be even better so if you can wait, why not eh?

That said, 8xx will likely not be the big upgrade people were expecting? I remember it would crush 6/7xx but now that jump in tech has been delayed till 2015 or something? :( I remember reading something about smaller nm production taking longer.
All things point to a late 2014 or even a 2015 release but supposedly the performance improvements that the new Maxwell architecture will offer are worth it. At least that's what I've read on various sites.


Hopefully when they announce the GTX 8xx, there will be a price drop or I'm expecting to nothing?
Since this is nVidia, I wouldn't hold my breath.
 

maneil99

Member
So, my 780Ti is here. And I plugged these settings into Tomb Raider:

tombraidersettingsaaejo.png


And then ran the benchmark.

High: 62fps
Low: 48fps
Average: 54fps

It's okay, I guess.

On a serious note, I had some power issues with it. My PSU is a semi-modular 650W one, with two 8-pin PCI-E cables coming out of the non-modular part. I put both of them (as an 8+6) to the card and it failed under load. So I took the 6 out, replaced it with a regular modular 6-pin, and everything... seems to be fine?

Overclock that sucker, my 780 gets better
 

maneil99

Member
All things point to a late 2014 or even a 2015 release but supposedly the performance improvements that the new Maxwell architecture will offer are worth it. At least that's what I've read on various sites.



Since this is nVidia, I wouldn't hold my breath.

You act like AMD drops their prices when new series come out.. and its 2H 2014
 
What do you guys general have your minimum processor state as? Do you keep it at 100% overclocked all the time or do you have it throttle?

I've been noticing that with certain games, the CPU doesn't seem to reach its maximum clock when its set to throttle.
 

Erebus

Member
What do you guys general have your minimum processor state as? Do you keep it at 100% overclocked all the time or do you have it throttle?

I've been noticing that with certain games, the CPU doesn't seem to reach its maximum clock when its set to throttle.
This is a power management setting within the Windows, right? I've never tinkered with it but to be honest I've always thought that CPUs reach their max clock while gaming.
 

UncleO

Member
Could i get your thoughts on this build, It will be a primary gaming pc. if i could get it under $1000 would be great.
Thoughts?
PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/36Byv
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/36Byv/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/36Byv/benchmarks/

CPU: AMD A10-6700 3.7GHz Quad-Core Processor ($144.27 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus A88X-PLUS ATX FM2+ Motherboard ($96.48 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Mushkin Silverline 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($144.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Kingston SSDNow V200 Series 256GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($159.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card ($328.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Lian-Li PC-7B PLUS II ATX Mid Tower Case ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Silverstone Strider 600W 80+ Silver Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($100.98 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus BC-12B1ST/BLK/B/AS Blu-Ray Reader, DVD/CD Writer ($59.98 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $1285.64

(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-03-08 22:33 EST-0500)
 

kennah

Member
I just finished an actual video game on my pc. Binary Domain. First completed game since Mass Effect 3. I can't even remember what the last one was before that.

Wow!
 

FLAguy954

Junior Member
Could i get your thoughts on this build, It will be a primary gaming pc. if i could get it under $1000 would be great.
Thoughts?
PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/36Byv
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/36Byv/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/36Byv/benchmarks/

CPU: AMD A10-6700 3.7GHz Quad-Core Processor ($144.27 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus A88X-PLUS ATX FM2+ Motherboard ($96.48 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Mushkin Silverline 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($144.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Kingston SSDNow V200 Series 256GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($159.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card ($328.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Lian-Li PC-7B PLUS II ATX Mid Tower Case ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Silverstone Strider 600W 80+ Silver Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($100.98 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus BC-12B1ST/BLK/B/AS Blu-Ray Reader, DVD/CD Writer ($59.98 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $1285.64

(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-03-08 22:33 EST-0500)

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Lmao! If you are spending that much, don't get an APU. Damn bro, you made my day!
 

CheesecakeRecipe

Stormy Grey
Could i get your thoughts on this build, It will be a primary gaming pc. if i could get it under $1000 would be great.
Thoughts?
PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/36Byv
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/36Byv/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/36Byv/benchmarks/

CPU: AMD A10-6700 3.7GHz Quad-Core Processor ($144.27 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus A88X-PLUS ATX FM2+ Motherboard ($96.48 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Mushkin Silverline 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($144.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Kingston SSDNow V200 Series 256GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($159.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card ($328.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Lian-Li PC-7B PLUS II ATX Mid Tower Case ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Silverstone Strider 600W 80+ Silver Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($100.98 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus BC-12B1ST/BLK/B/AS Blu-Ray Reader, DVD/CD Writer ($59.98 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $1285.64

(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-03-08 22:33 EST-0500)


Replace your CPU with an i5 4670k at the least, i7 4770k if you can pull the scratch. You'll have to change mobos.

Get Windows 8/8.1 from here, lots of trusted sellers and will save you ~$60-$70
 

appaws

Banned
Could i get your thoughts on this build, It will be a primary gaming pc. if i could get it under $1000 would be great.
Thoughts?
PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/36Byv
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/36Byv/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/36Byv/benchmarks/

CPU: AMD A10-6700 3.7GHz Quad-Core Processor ($144.27 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus A88X-PLUS ATX FM2+ Motherboard ($96.48 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Mushkin Silverline 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($144.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Kingston SSDNow V200 Series 256GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($159.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card ($328.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Lian-Li PC-7B PLUS II ATX Mid Tower Case ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Silverstone Strider 600W 80+ Silver Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($100.98 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus BC-12B1ST/BLK/B/AS Blu-Ray Reader, DVD/CD Writer ($59.98 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $1285.64

(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-03-08 22:33 EST-0500)

I think you would be better off looking to the builds in the OP and go from there. For a gaming PC, its going to be Intel all the way for the CPU. 1200 is a pretty good budget, so start with the 'excellent' build in the OP and go from there. The 'great' build can be your starting point to get under $1000.

Also, get windows 8.1 off Reddit software swap for 20 bucks. Several people here have done it with no problems.

Don't worry about being busted on, UncleO....this is GAF after all. ALL of us were PC noobs at one point!
 

kennah

Member
That was constructive...
Thanks
Apus are designed for situations without a video card. You would get better performance and a better upgrade path with an i3 or i5

Edit to answer more questions. For a strictly gaming pc you only need 8 gigs of ram. If you are budget conscious there are cheaper options for case and power supply. Many people also cut out an optical drive , it is largely unnecessary unless you are going to be doing media creation. A 760 is only 15-20% slower than a 770 while being 100$ cheaper.

Read the op. Look at those builds and try again.
 

appaws

Banned
I just finished an actual video game on my pc. Binary Domain. First completed game since Mass Effect 3. I can't even remember what the last one was before that.

Wow!

I finished Cthullu saves the World yesterday. It was like 7 hours long. Now on to Dishonored. And I bought Rogue Legacy for 5 bucks yesterday on the weekend deal, God I love PC gaming.
 

kennah

Member
I finished Cthullu saves the World yesterday. It was like 7 hours long. Now on to Dishonored. And I bought Rogue Legacy for 5 bucks yesterday on the weekend deal, God I love PC gaming.
Dishonoured only crashes on my pc. Can't be bothered to fix it yet :(. Thinking of tackling Space Marine again. Quit about a third of the way through last time.
 
Anyone else have big problems downloading things and updating apps through the Windows Store on vanilla W8? Not only is it still failing to download 8.1 properly (at 28% now, normlly gets stuck on 5%, expecting it to get stuck again) but it grinds the rest of my internet capabilities to a near halt, evn though for all intents and purposes, its not downloading much at all.

So its basically hogging my bandwidth, without converting that bandwidth into anything like a decent download speed.


edit: Could it help if I got IPv6 working? I'm sure before I did the clean reinstall, it was enabled, now I'm stuck back on IPv4 though. I don't know what any of this means, but worth asking :p


edit2: W8.1 currently installing, download must have got a boost at some point.

Just gotta figure out why Flash doesn't work properly for me regardless of connection, and potentially figure out what to do with this IPv6 nonsense, and the PC will be in the state I require of it :p

edit 3: Holy crap this 8.1 install is taking a long time
 

UncleO

Member
Apus are designed for situations without a video card. You would get better performance and a better upgrade path with an i3 or i5

Edit to answer more questions. For a strictly gaming pc you only need 8 gigs of ram. If you are budget conscious there are cheaper options for case and power supply. Many people also cut out an optical drive , it is largely unnecessary unless you are going to be doing media creation. A 760 is only 15-20% slower than a 770 while being 100$ cheaper.

Read the op. Look at those builds and try again.

Thanks, only reason i have optical drive is i plan on hooking it up to my tv/projector and would like to watch movies and such.
 

Jafku

Member
Could i get your thoughts on this build, It will be a primary gaming pc. if i could get it under $1000 would be great.
Thoughts?
[build]

As others have said, you'd be much better served with an i5-4670K and an Z87 LGA 1150 motherboard. You could drop to 8GB's of ram. For a 256GB SSD I'd recommend the samsung 840 EVO for $137.99 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00E3W19MO/?tag=neogaf0e-20. Are you sure you need the optical drive? Also get Windows on Reddit/r/softwareswap. Got my key there for $20

Here's an updated build.
[[PCPartPicker part list](http://pcpartpicker.com/p/36EOb) / [Price breakdown by merchant](http://pcpartpicker.com/p/36EOb/by_merchant/) / [Benchmarks](http://pcpartpicker.com/p/36EOb/benchmarks/)

Type|Item|Price
:----|:----|:----
**CPU** | [Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/intel-cpu-bx80646i54670k) | $229.99 @ NCIX US
**Motherboard** | [MSI Z87-G55 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/msi-motherboard-z87g55) | $123.98 @ SuperBiiz
**Memory** | [Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory](http:/|/pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-memory-cmz8gx3m2a1600c9) | $77.99 @ Amazon
**Storage** | [Samsung 840 EVO 250GB 2.5" Solid State Disk](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/samsung-internal-hard-drive-mz7te250bw) | $137.99 @ Amazon
**Storage** | [Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/seagate-internal-hard-drive-st2000dm001) | $89.99 @ Newegg
**Video Card** | [Asus GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asus-video-card-gtx770dc2oc2gd5) | $328.98 @ SuperBiiz
**Case** | [Fractal Design Arc Midi Tower ATX Mid Tower Case](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/fractal-design-case-fdcaarcbl) | $109.99 @ Amazon
**Power Supply** | [Corsair RM 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/corsair-power-supply-rm650) | $89.99 @ Newegg
**Optical Drive** | [Asus BC-12B1ST/BLK/B/AS Blu-Ray Reader, DVD/CD Writer](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asus-optical-drive-bc12b1stblkbas) | $59.98 @ Newegg
| | **Total**
| Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available. | $1238.88
| Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-03-09 00:23 EST-0500
 
Nearly had a heart attack. Started up IE, and Iminent must be saved to SkyDrive as my homepage, so it was the first thing I saw, thought it had survived somehow

For some reason its much faster, but the speed is showing 65 Mbps where before it was showing 135
 

DashReindeer

Lead Community Manager, Outpost Games
Ordered the parts for my first PC home-build just a few minutes ago. Hopefully this is as easy to do as people have made it out to be. Enlisting the aid of some more PC-competent friends of mine to get the thing constructed since I'll have no idea what I am doing and I don't want to have just blown $2400 on something that doesn't work. Went fairly high-end across the board cuz I don't want to have to upgrade at any point in the near future.
 

Jafku

Member
Ordered the parts for my first PC home-build just a few minutes ago. Hopefully this is as easy to do as people have made it out to be. Enlisting the aid of some more PC-competent friends of mine to get the thing constructed since I'll have no idea what I am doing and I don't want to have just blown $2400 on something that doesn't work. Went fairly high-end across the board cuz I don't want to have to upgrade at any point in the near future.
$2400? What did you get? And good luck :)
 

DashReindeer

Lead Community Manager, Outpost Games
$2400? What did you get? And good luck :)

Biggest expense was the GTX 780 Ti and the i7-4770k, but I'm also including the cost of a new monitor in that $2400 estimate. I basically wanted to future proof this as well as I can because I know my own level of laziness, and I wonder how often I am gonna feel like upgrading anything.

EDIT: Was essentially this build + an ASUS VG248QE

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/36xNm
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/36xNm/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/36xNm/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i7-4770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($319.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-U14S 55.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($73.98 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Asus Maximus VI Hero ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($195.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($162.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 256GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($205.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($57.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 780 Ti 3GB Video Card ($709.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Corsair 750D ATX Full Tower Case ($139.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Corsair Professional 750W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($179.98 @ OutletPC)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($19.98 @ OutletPC)
Sound Card: Asus Xonar DSX 24-bit 192 KHz Sound Card ($51.98 @ Newegg)
Wireless Network Adapter: Asus PCE-AC68 802.11a/b/g/n/ac PCI-Express x1 Wi-Fi Adapter ($98.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $2217.84
 

Jafku

Member
Biggest expense was the GTX 780 Ti and the i7-4770k, but I'm also including the cost of a new monitor in that $2400 estimate. I basically wanted to future proof this as well as I can because I know my own level of laziness, and I wonder how often I am gonna feel like upgrading anything.

EDIT: Was essentially this build + an ASUS VG248QE

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/36xNm
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/36xNm/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/36xNm/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Core i7-4770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($319.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-U14S 55.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($73.98 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Asus Maximus VI Hero ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($195.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($162.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 840 Pro Series 256GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($205.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($57.99 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 780 Ti 3GB Video Card ($709.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Corsair 750D ATX Full Tower Case ($139.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Corsair Professional 750W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($179.98 @ OutletPC)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($19.98 @ OutletPC)
Sound Card: Asus Xonar DSX 24-bit 192 KHz Sound Card ($51.98 @ Newegg)
Wireless Network Adapter: Asus PCE-AC68 802.11a/b/g/n/ac PCI-Express x1 Wi-Fi Adapter ($98.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $2217.84
Looks pretty good. I don't know if I would pay that much for the samsung ssd vs the one I posted above but it is the pro version so idk.
 

DashReindeer

Lead Community Manager, Outpost Games
Looks pretty good. I don't know if I would pay that much for the samsung ssd vs the one I posted above but it is the pro version so idk.

Yeah, I honestly couldn't decide between the two, but I figured it wasn't that much more. I can always order the one you recommended and return the one I got if I change my mind. Not gonna build this until next weekend at the earliest, I don't think, and the parts should get here by Tuesday.
 

tehbible

Member
Why are people spending so much money on parts?

I live in CA with 8.75% tax and I built a future-proofed rig (2x SLI capable) for a little over $1k including a mouse. The price you see is INCLUDING tax from CA

- I picked the E3 1230 V3 because it's essentially the same as the i7. Just not overclockable. For gaming, overclocking doesn't give much of a performance boost as most games are GPU-dependent. This E3 1230 V3 is great for enterprise level applications like Photoshop, etc.

- I got a semi-modular GOLD PSU because damn, over the years you will be saving some money on power consumption.

- Roccat Savu. Can't go wrong with this mouse for FPS gaming.

- 240GB is more than enough to put a few games in there. Sure, you can't hold all your Steam collection on a 240GB, but I only play a few games max at a single time.

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/36GEW
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/36GEW/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/36GEW/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1230 V3 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor ($254.95 @ TigerDirect)
Motherboard: ASRock Fatal1ty Z87 Killer ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($130.48 @ Newegg)
Memory: Kingston Blu 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($70.67 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate 600 Series 240GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($129.99 @ TigerDirect)
Video Card: PNY GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card ($309.99 @ B&H)
Case: Cooler Master N400 ATX Mid Tower Case ($48.72 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($82.86 @ NCIX US)
Mouse: ROCCAT Savu Wired Optical Mouse ($54.36 @ Amazon)
Total: $1082.02
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-03-09 01:32 EST-0500)

Marginal performance difference between an i5-4670k vs xeon e3 processors. images shown are last gen, but the difference will be similar for haswell as well.

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Could i get your thoughts on this build, It will be a primary gaming pc. if i could get it under $1000 would be great.
Thoughts?
PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/36Byv
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/36Byv/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/36Byv/benchmarks/

CPU: AMD A10-6700 3.7GHz Quad-Core Processor ($144.27 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus A88X-PLUS ATX FM2+ Motherboard ($96.48 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Mushkin Silverline 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($144.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Kingston SSDNow V200 Series 256GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($159.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card ($328.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Lian-Li PC-7B PLUS II ATX Mid Tower Case ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Silverstone Strider 600W 80+ Silver Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($100.98 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus BC-12B1ST/BLK/B/AS Blu-Ray Reader, DVD/CD Writer ($59.98 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $1285.64

(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-03-08 22:33 EST-0500)

APU's are bad for any build over $600 because they waste resources on implementing on-die integrated GPU's. As actual CPU's they are about 2 generations behind in performance. $1000 you say? I got you;

CPU: Intel i5-4670k
Motherboard: Biostar Hi-Fi Z87W Socket 1150 Motherboard
RAM: G.Skill ARES 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3-1600
GPU: ASUS DC2 GTX 770 2GB
Hard Drive: WD 1TB Caviar Blue
Case: Rosewill Challenger Mid-Tower
PSU: Seasonic S12II 620W PSU
DVD Drive: ASUS DRW-24B1

Total Cost: $929 + $6-24 shipping.

Grab a copy of Windows from one of the provided links, you and you have a solid system for under $1000 that will crush your suggested build. Keep in mind all of these are Newegg's prices too, if you plugged the parts into PC Partpicker (doesn't work on work computers) you could probably cut $30-50 off that price and maybe slap an SSD in there.
 

x3sphere

Member
Why are people spending so much money on parts?

I live in CA with 8.75% tax and I built a future-proofed rig (2x SLI capable) for a little over $1k including a mouse. The price you see is INCLUDING tax from CA

- I picked the E3 1230 V3 because it's essentially the same as the i7. Just not overclockable. For gaming, overclocking doesn't give much of a performance boost as most games are GPU-dependent. This E3 1230 V3 is great for enterprise level applications like Photoshop, etc.

- I got a semi-modular GOLD PSU because damn, over the years you will be saving some money on power consumption.

- Roccat Savu. Can't go wrong with this mouse for FPS gaming.

- 240GB is more than enough to put a few games in there. Sure, you can't hold all your Steam collection on a 240GB, but I only play a few games max at a single time.

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/36GEW
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/36GEW/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/36GEW/benchmarks/

CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1230 V3 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor ($254.95 @ TigerDirect)
Motherboard: ASRock Fatal1ty Z87 Killer ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($130.48 @ Newegg)
Memory: Kingston Blu 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($70.67 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate 600 Series 240GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($129.99 @ TigerDirect)
Video Card: PNY GeForce GTX 770 2GB Video Card ($309.99 @ B&H)
Case: Cooler Master N400 ATX Mid Tower Case ($48.72 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($82.86 @ NCIX US)
Mouse: ROCCAT Savu Wired Optical Mouse ($54.36 @ Amazon)
Total: $1082.02
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-03-09 01:32 EST-0500)

Nice build but I think I would've spent the extra on a i7 4770k. Yes, most games don't benefit from overclocking right now but they may a year or two from now - and if this is a long term build that's important. Should be able to overclock a full 1GHz past the stock speed of that E3-1230v3 which is pretty significant.
 

-COOLIO-

The Everyman
has anyone here been able to fit a board onto a corsair air 540 with a padded io shield? is there any consequence to removing the padding? ive read that its for grounding?

edit: the io shield is called the 'asus q shield'.

edit 2: this is what it looks like. it looks like a lot of people have the same problem: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9lfou1NJ1Y

edit 3: got it to fit, i think the shield wasnt fully flush before
 

mattiewheels

And then the LORD David Bowie saith to his Son, Jonny Depp: 'Go, and spread my image amongst the cosmos. For every living thing is in anguish and only the LIGHT shall give them reprieve.'
Take a look at the Dells S line monitors
They have a 27" 1080p high gloss that looks like an apple display but for around $275. I own three and really like them for how cheap they are.
I'm looking at this Dell and it seems great except for washed-out color. Anyone have experience with the 24" S model?
 

tehbible

Member
Nice build but I think I would've spent the extra on a i7 4770k. Yes, most games don't benefit from overclocking right now but they may a year or two from now - and if this is a long term build that's important. Should be able to overclock a full 1GHz past the stock speed of that E3-1230v3 which is pretty significant.

I wouldn't even spend the extra on K series CPU since you get what, like an extra 10% in terms of performance, which could/could not translate to increase in most GPU-dependent games.

Plus, not to mention the extra wattage required when overclocked, thereby consuming more power, thereby paying more in energy costs. Most overclockers disable EIST as well..
 

tehbible

Member
You can get more than 10% from overclocking in CPU bound games, and emulation.

I guess I'm the minority in that in my 15 years of overclocking CPUs, I never took advantage of the extra performance gains. I always just lamented the extra heat dissipation + noise + behemoth custom coolers and additional wattage required for OC.
 
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