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[Durante]

Then I'd suggest he wait for the GTX 970 and see what that does to prices. I understand Nvidia desire for G Sync (or SSAA maybe), but otherwise sometimes users here come across as either irrational Nvidia zealots, or possessing irrational AMD driver phobia.

There are a great many reasons to prefer NV, beyond G-sync and SGSSAA profiles. (A small selection: OpenGL performance/support, HBAO+ profiles, TXAA, day one performance on smaller titles, CUDA-supported software, power efficiency, and, yes, GPU PhysX)

That said, I agree with your suggestion to wait with a GPU purchase at this point, unless it's really urgent.

How did watch dogs run for you on 4gb?

I'm not interested in Ubi's AAAA collectatons, so I haven't played it.
I got a 4GB version since I often downsample from >4k in less demanding games.

 

[AB12]

PCGaf how are these deals MSI Z87-G45 vs MSI Z87-G41. Both come with a HyperX Fury Series 8GB RAM.

 

[zeroeffect]

Is Nvidia going to release a 980 with the 970?

 

[fluffydelusions]

EDIT: nm

 

[Pachimari]

Hmm, I just bought a used Dreamcast but the case is dirty with marks and a darker white.

Is it at all possible to take what's inside out of the Dreamcast, and put it in a small PC case?

 

[Hindl]

Hey so I'm about to build my first PC later this year, I'm gonna wait for Nvidia to release the new GTX and snag one of those. My plan was to start getting the parts around Black Friday since I'm just used to the big sales around then. Is this true for PC parts too? Or are the sales from various suppliers (Newegg, Amazon, etc.) that happen randomly going to be just as good as the Black Friday/Cyber Monday deals on these parts? Essentially, should I just start amassing parts now as they go on sale, or are Black Friday sales for parts usually cheaper?

 

[TC McQueen]

Hey so I'm about to build my first PC later this year, I'm gonna wait for Nvidia to release the new GTX and snag one of those. My plan was to start getting the parts around Black Friday since I'm just used to the big sales around then. Is this true for PC parts too? Or are the sales from various suppliers (Newegg, Amazon, etc.) that happen randomly going to be just as good as the Black Friday/Cyber Monday deals on these parts? Essentially, should I just start amassing parts now as they go on sale, or are Black Friday sales for parts usually cheaper?

Sometimes you get good deals for parts on Cyber Monday, sometimes you don't. Places like Newegg run sales all the time, so Cyber Monday isn't as big a deal for PC parts as it is for other stuff.

 

[The Llama]

Hey so I'm about to build my first PC later this year, I'm gonna wait for Nvidia to release the new GTX and snag one of those. My plan was to start getting the parts around Black Friday since I'm just used to the big sales around then. Is this true for PC parts too? Or are the sales from various suppliers (Newegg, Amazon, etc.) that happen randomly going to be just as good as the Black Friday/Cyber Monday deals on these parts? Essentially, should I just start amassing parts now as they go on sale, or are Black Friday sales for parts usually cheaper?

You might see some sales (I remember buying a GeForce 4 Ti 4200 back on black friday in like 2002, had to go to 2 different Best Buys to find one heh), but usually there's nothing special. Just buy parts after the new GPU's come out.

 

[mkenyon]

Hmm, I just bought a used Dreamcast but the case is dirty with marks and a darker white.

Is it at all possible to take what's inside out of the Dreamcast, and put it in a small PC case?

I'll start researching this. Most likely, you'll need to be handy with a jigsaw and drill.

 

[Smokey]

It's begun...

What's the specs of your build?

 

[SamuelSupreme]

I've decided that its about time to upgrade my Computer. I don't know much about computers and I've been watching a few youtube videos to learn more. However, I am very a beginner when it comes to building my own PC.

I would like to build a good computer that can handle Video editing all the way to 4k.

This is what I have now.

Mother board: ASUS P8B75-M LX Plus
CPU: Intel Core i5 3450 @3.10GHz
Memory: DDR3 8GB
Video Card: Radeon HD5450
Storage: 1TB SATA HDD
Optical Drive: DVD-R-W

What do I need to improve on in order to make this a better rig for video editing?

I spoke with a friend who works at a computer store and he recommended me the following.

Motherboard: GA X99 UD5 WIFI
CPU: Intel Core i7-5820k Six-core Socket LGA20113.3GHz
RAM: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB DDR4
Video Card: NVIDIA Quadro K2000 VCQK2000-PB 2GB GDDR5
Optical Drive: Blu-Ray

And is Linux better than Windows? I'm not a big fan of Windows 8 and would consider getting Linux with the SSD you guys suggested.

 

[Hindl]

Sometimes you get good deals for parts on Cyber Monday, sometimes you don't. Places like Newegg run sales all the time, so Cyber Monday isn't as big a deal for PC parts as it is for other stuff.

You might see some sales (I remember buying a GeForce 4 Ti 4200 back on black friday in like 2002, had to go to 2 different Best Buys to find one heh), but usually there's nothing special. Just buy parts after the new GPU's come out.

Ok thanks, I went to PC Part Picker and made a preliminary build, could use some advice. I don't really have any guidelines aside from I want the i7 5820K, and I'll be getting the GTX 900 series (probably 970, but if anyone can help me save anywhere in this build I'll go 980):

CPU: i7 5820K
Motherboard: ASRock X99 Extreme3 ATX LGA2011-3
Memory: Crucial 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2133
Video Card: GTX 970 (980 possible)
Storage: Crucial MX100 256GB 2.5" SSD (have external HDD already)
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 w/Window (Titanium Grey) ATX Mid Tower
Heatsink: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing
Power Supply: Cooler Master 750W ATX12V
Optical Drive: Blu-Ray

The goal with this is to be able to play games at high quality, but more importantly, do Oculus Rift DK2 development. However, if there's anything cheaper available within this build I'll also appreciate that. Thoughts?

 

[tarheel91]

What's the specs of your build?

5820K watercooled with an EX420 rad.
295X2
4x4GB 2133 DDR4

For anyone: It seems like I don't need to use the backing plate on LGA 2011 for an EK water block. Is that correct? Also, do I need to clean out the block with distilled water before installing?

 

[AngryChinchilla]

I tried the trial of newegg premier for the 3 day shipping. Ordered my parts on Wednesday, and they aren't scheduled for delivery until Tuesday. I'd send an email and complain, but I technically didn't pay for it, so what is the point. Still, pretty underwhelmed.

 

[garath]

I tried the trial of newegg premier for the 3 day shipping. Ordered my parts on Wednesday, and they aren't scheduled for delivery until Tuesday. I'd send an email and complain, but I technically didn't pay for it, so what is the point. Still, pretty underwhelmed.

I'd complain anyways. They have to know you aren't going to keep the service if they can't deliver on the 3 day

 

[Ravijn]

I tried the trial of newegg premier for the 3 day shipping. Ordered my parts on Wednesday, and they aren't scheduled for delivery until Tuesday. I'd send an email and complain, but I technically didn't pay for it, so what is the point. Still, pretty underwhelmed.

You forgot the check the $2.99 rush shipping option.

 

[eBay Huckster]

You forgot the check the $2.99 rush shipping option.

Even with that, it took them 4 business days to ship my case here.

 

[brentech]

And is Linux better than Windows? I'm not a big fan of Windows 8 and would consider getting Linux with the SSD you guys suggested.

It is what the user makes of it.
Your best bet is to research video editing software for Linux systems and ensure they are capable of doing what you need them to.

 

[Ravijn]

Even with that, it took them 4 business days to ship my case here.

Yikes. I just ordered a power supply from them yesterday and I believe it said it would ship on Monday. The one good thing I have going is that the warehouse it is coming from is pretty damn close.

I'll let you know how long it takes to get here. I picked 3 day shipping and no rush service.

 

[AngryChinchilla]

You forgot the check the $2.99 rush shipping option.

It hurts my heart that this is even a thing. Rush processing is so scammy. Give me more money and we will do our job better.

 

[zyxwvu4321]

I've been toying with the idea of a new build for Maxwell. Not really sure yet. Come up with this so far.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($209.97 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Glacer 240L 86.2 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($109.99 @ Micro Center)
Motherboard: Asus Z97-A ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($139.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($76.50 @ Newegg)
Case: Phanteks Enthoo Pro ATX Full Tower Case ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($84.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $721.43

Still considering the i7 and/or 16GB RAM.

 

[Piercedveil]

Is this a good guide to follow when it comes to overclocking my 3570k? I swear I saw this in the OP before from this link but I just checked and couldn't find it. (Maybe I'm blind though )

Do you guys usually test for 12 hours, like it mentions? Should 4.5 be a good goal for my overclock (Cooler Master 212 EVO heatsink)? I've had my 3570k at stock since I built last year.

 

[kharma45]

Is this a good guide to follow when it comes to overclocking my 3570k? I swear I saw this in the OP before from this link but I just checked and couldn't find it. (Maybe I'm blind though )

Do you guys usually test for 12 hours, like it mentions? Should 4.5 be a good goal for my overclock (Cooler Master 212 EVO heatsink)? I've had my 3570k at stock since I built last year.

12 hours? Truth be told no. 20 mins when testing to find the clock speed and around an hour to ensure it's stable. I'm more than happy after that.

4.5 is a realistic target.

 

[Azzurri]

Is there anyway to fix burn in?

I had a XRGB mini connected to it, and it left pretty horrible burn in.

 

[The Llama]

Is this a good guide to follow when it comes to overclocking my 3570k? I swear I saw this in the OP before from this link but I just checked and couldn't find it. (Maybe I'm blind though )

Do you guys usually test for 12 hours, like it mentions? Should 4.5 be a good goal for my overclock (Cooler Master 212 EVO heatsink)? I've had my 3570k at stock since I built last year.

I will, just because I want 100% stability. With my 4790k, I can get it to ~4.6GHz pretty easily, but 6 or 7 hours of OCCT and it crashes. I clock it back to 4.4GHz and it'll run forever. But it's totally personal preference. Most people would go for 4.6GHz (or clock it even higher), but to me, if it's ever going to crash, it's not stable, and I don't want it.

And it's also personal preference, but I like to use OCCT instead of Prime95. Get's my CPU ~5 degrees warmer than Prime95 does.

 

[David Incorporated Esq.]

I have reached for the sun and encountered only fire and pain.

So I was only a little unhappy with my computer so I decided to do a partial update. Let me show you what I had and what I bought:

Here's what I had!

Mother board: MSI 890GXM-G65 Micro ATX AMD
CPU: AMD Athlon II X4 640 3.0GHz Socket AM3 95W
Memory: DDR3 4GB
Video Card: Radeon HD 6850
Memory: 1TB Seagate SATA 3

I bought this shit!

Memory: DDR3 8GB
Video Card: EVGA GTX 760 4GB
Memory: Crucial MX100 256GB

Here's where everything goes to hell. I installed the SSD, the memory and the video card. Nothing. BIOS locks up. I take out the video card and put the Radeon back in, life is good, I install windows on the SSD. I put the GTX 760 back in and... no boot past the MB logo and when I enter BIOS it locks up.

Radeon in? Good.

GTX 760 in? NO. BAD.

(In the midst of all the in and out of the video cards, the Radeon somehow fries so I'm currently using the onboard graphics card! Yippee!)

So I look around online and discover my MB is probably just out of date. I flash the BIOS, reinstall the GTX 760 and go to the BIOS screen and, miracle of miracles! IT STARTS TO WORK IT'S WORK OH Shit it locked up again. Damnit. No boot, BIOS locks.

Is my MB just too old school for the new hotness of the GTX 760? I was hoping to avoid purchasing a new MB/CPU combo, but if that's what it is that's what it is.

 

[The Llama]

I have reached for the sun and encountered only fire and pain.

So I was only a little unhappy with my computer so I decided to do a partial update. Let me show you what I had and what I bought:

Here's what I had!

Mother board: MSI 890GXM-G65 Micro ATX AMD
CPU: AMD Athlon II X4 640 3.0GHz Socket AM3 95W
Memory: DDR3 4GB
Video Card: Radeon HD 6850
Memory: 1TB Seagate SATA 3

I bought this shit!

Memory: DDR3 8GB
Video Card: EVGA GTX 760 4GB
Memory: Crucial MX100 256GB

Here's where everything goes to hell. I installed the SSD, the memory and the video card. Nothing. BIOS locks up. I take out the video card and put the Radeon back in, life is good, I install windows on the SSD. I put the GTX 760 back in and... no boot past the MB logo and when I enter BIOS it locks up.

Radeon in? Good.

GTX 760 in? NO. BAD.

(In the midst of all the in and out of the video cards, the Radeon somehow fries so I'm currently using the onboard graphics card! Yippee!)

So I look around online and discover my MB is probably just out of date. I flash the BIOS, reinstall the GTX 760 and go to the BIOS screen and, miracle of miracles! IT STARTS TO WORK IT'S WORK OH Shit it locked up again. Damnit. No boot, BIOS locks.

Is my MB just too old school for the new hotness of the GTX 760? I was hoping to avoid purchasing a new MB/CPU combo, but if that's what it is that's what it is.

You should be fine with that mobo/CPU. Don't think BIOS updates can really affect GPU compatibility at all anyway. My guess is the GPU is dead/dying/needs to be returned.

 

[David Incorporated Esq.]

You should be fine with that mobo/CPU. Don't think BIOS updates can really affect GPU compatibility at all anyway. My guess is the GPU is dead/dying/needs to be returned.

It's brand new.

I actually saw a lot of people having BIOS lockups with the GTX 7xx chipset online, some of whom had success with a BIOS flash. What was most astonishing was that there's a little graphic that cycles on my BIOS screen and after the flash with the new card, it cycled for about a second--before it didn't cycle at all.

 

[tarheel91]

I have reached for the sun and encountered only fire and pain.

So I was only a little unhappy with my computer so I decided to do a partial update. Let me show you what I had and what I bought:

Here's what I had!

Mother board: MSI 890GXM-G65 Micro ATX AMD
CPU: AMD Athlon II X4 640 3.0GHz Socket AM3 95W
Memory: DDR3 4GB
Video Card: Radeon HD 6850
Memory: 1TB Seagate SATA 3

I bought this shit!

Memory: DDR3 8GB
Video Card: EVGA GTX 760 4GB
Memory: Crucial MX100 256GB

Here's where everything goes to hell. I installed the SSD, the memory and the video card. Nothing. BIOS locks up. I take out the video card and put the Radeon back in, life is good, I install windows on the SSD. I put the GTX 760 back in and... no boot past the MB logo and when I enter BIOS it locks up.

Radeon in? Good.

GTX 760 in? NO. BAD.

(In the midst of all the in and out of the video cards, the Radeon somehow fries so I'm currently using the onboard graphics card! Yippee!)

So I look around online and discover my MB is probably just out of date. I flash the BIOS, reinstall the GTX 760 and go to the BIOS screen and, miracle of miracles! IT STARTS TO WORK IT'S WORK OH Shit it locked up again. Damnit. No boot, BIOS locks.

Is my MB just too old school for the new hotness of the GTX 760? I was hoping to avoid purchasing a new MB/CPU combo, but if that's what it is that's what it is.

Just making sure, you uninstalled the old drivers, right?

 

[garath]

I have reached for the sun and encountered only fire and pain.

So I was only a little unhappy with my computer so I decided to do a partial update. Let me show you what I had and what I bought:

Here's what I had!

Mother board: MSI 890GXM-G65 Micro ATX AMD
CPU: AMD Athlon II X4 640 3.0GHz Socket AM3 95W
Memory: DDR3 4GB
Video Card: Radeon HD 6850
Memory: 1TB Seagate SATA 3

I bought this shit!

Memory: DDR3 8GB
Video Card: EVGA GTX 760 4GB
Memory: Crucial MX100 256GB

Here's where everything goes to hell. I installed the SSD, the memory and the video card. Nothing. BIOS locks up. I take out the video card and put the Radeon back in, life is good, I install windows on the SSD. I put the GTX 760 back in and... no boot past the MB logo and when I enter BIOS it locks up.

Radeon in? Good.

GTX 760 in? NO. BAD.

(In the midst of all the in and out of the video cards, the Radeon somehow fries so I'm currently using the onboard graphics card! Yippee!)

So I look around online and discover my MB is probably just out of date. I flash the BIOS, reinstall the GTX 760 and go to the BIOS screen and, miracle of miracles! IT STARTS TO WORK IT'S WORK OH Shit it locked up again. Damnit. No boot, BIOS locks.

Is my MB just too old school for the new hotness of the GTX 760? I was hoping to avoid purchasing a new MB/CPU combo, but if that's what it is that's what it is.

What PSU? Did you plug in all the power connectors to the 760?

 

[kasane]

guys do you have any recommendations for cases like the alienware x51?

im lookign into building a new pc but this time i want a small form factor

 

[Sarcasm]

I have reached for the sun and encountered only fire and pain.

PSU. Could easily be a case of not enough power/not connected everything/no cables.

 

[kennah]

guys do you have any recommendations for cases like the alienware x51?

im lookign into building a new pc but this time i want a small form factor

Silverstone RVZ01

 

[kasane]

Silverstone RVZ01

I think i found my case

it looks a tad too plain tho but i can do something about that

 

[David Incorporated Esq.]

Just making sure, you uninstalled the old drivers, right?

This is crashing pre-windows boot, but yeah it's a fresh install of windows.

What PSU? Did you plug in all the power connectors to the 760?

PSU. Could easily be a case of not enough power/not connected everything/no cables.

I have a 650W with a 6 pin and 6+2 pin plugged into all ports on the card.

 

[paperspace]

This is crashing pre-windows boot, but yeah it's a fresh install of windows.




I have a 650W with a 6 pin and 6+2 pin plugged into all ports on the card.

I'm pretty sure you need to update BIOS.

I did it a couple of weeks ago for a friend, who bought a 770.

 

[David Incorporated Esq.]

I'm pretty sure you need to update BIOS.

I did it a couple of weeks ago for a friend, who bought a 770.

Well I updated the BIOS and it still wasn't working.

BUT! IT'S WORKING!

I hopped on the phone with my brother and we figured it out. I made the onboard graphics card the primary adapter so now it boots off of that and then it switches to the GTX760 when it gets to windows. For some reason it's totally okay with this setup. The only downside is that I don't see the boot screen at all unless I plug a DVI into the onboard.

Shit. Is. Weird.

 

[Piercedveil]

12 hours? Truth be told no. 20 mins when testing to find the clock speed and around an hour to ensure it's stable. I'm more than happy after that.

4.5 is a realistic target.

I will, just because I want 100% stability. With my 4790k, I can get it to ~4.6GHz pretty easily, but 6 or 7 hours of OCCT and it crashes. I clock it back to 4.4GHz and it'll run forever. But it's totally personal preference. Most people would go for 4.6GHz (or clock it even higher), but to me, if it's ever going to crash, it's not stable, and I don't want it.

And it's also personal preference, but I like to use OCCT instead of Prime95. Get's my CPU ~5 degrees warmer than Prime95 does.

Thanks, guys. I'll give it a shot tomorrow I think. 144 Hz monitor comes Monday so I want to get whatever performance out of my PC that I can.

 

[Mineshaft_Gap]

Roughly how much do you think it's costing me in electricity a month running my PC 24/7 and never turning it off? I keep it on so I can use it for plex/access to my files.

i7-4790K
GTX780
Corsair CX750W PSU 80 Plus Bronze

Idling most of the time.

I assume there's probably a much better/more cost effective way to do this. Would it be worth building a second much less powerful machine without a GPU?

 

[Mohasus]

You will strugle to even reach stable 60 fps in some games at 1440p.

even without big AA it's nowhere close to stable 120

Posting Tomb Raider with TressFX on is like posting Sleeping Dogs with Extreme AA.

 

[michaelius]

You should be fine with that mobo/CPU. Don't think BIOS updates can really affect GPU compatibility at all anyway. My guess is the GPU is dead/dying/needs to be returned.

Well It was geforce 7600 so a few years ago but I had to update bios on mobo to get it working.

Might happen when using new gpu on really old mobos.

 

[Thorgal]

I seem to have an issue with my GPU :

No Game or program ( that i am aware off ) is running in the background that should rev the card up so much but as you can see , it is stuck at those numbers .

The temp i thought was because i needed to clean the place inside but that does not explain why my Clocks are that high .

So any ideas why my card is running when it should be idle ?

 

[Daft Bird]

I have a question about external drives, I figure this is the best place to put it. I need a 1-2tb drive and am looking to spend about 90 dollars if that is good enough for something quality.

 

[theSlacker]

Do you guys usually test for 12 hours, like it mentions? Should 4.5 be a good goal for my overclock (Cooler Master 212 EVO heatsink)? I've had my 3570k at stock since I built last year.

For most people it doesn't matter, just depends on how stable you want it. That image says 12 hours, but really what you are doing with a longer test like that is making sure prime gets though all of its tests. I've had an overclock that I thought was stable fail when it got to a specific test 7 hours in before, and would repeatedly fail at that exact one. Is that something that would ever happen in normal usage? Probably not.

 

[Pachimari]

I'll start researching this. Most likely, you'll need to be handy with a jigsaw and drill.

I'll research this as well.

I'm thinking of buying one of those transparent Dreamcast shells, just to try out assembling it, and then I'll look into a solid black shell or a computer case.

I brought the discussion to the Dreamcast appreciation thread.

 

[Ravijn]

I seem to have an issue with my GPU :

No Game or program ( that i am aware off ) is running in the background that should rev the card up so much but as you can see , it is stuck at those numbers .

The temp i thought was because i needed to clean the place inside but that does not explain why my Clocks are that high .

So any ideas why my card is running when it should be idle ?

Check your Nvidia control panel. It might be set to 'Prefer Maximum Performance' mode.

 

[Thorgal]

Check your Nvidia control panel. It might be set to 'Prefer Maximum Performance' mode.

That was already switched to default so that was not it .

However what i did do is open the pc , cleaned the inside and now running it without the side cover it it runs back at a cool 30 ° C

So either their was too much heat inside the case , simply resetting the PC fixed it or whatever caused it got removed with the dusting .

 

[Diablos]

Old news is old news, but I remember quite some time ago saying that AMD should make a 95W version of the FX 8xxx series. They did! Didn't even realize.

Too little too late, but for safety alone with various boards and 125W FX series this was a smart move.

 

[kharma45]

Old news is old news, but I remember quite some time ago saying that AMD should make a 95W version of the FX 8xxx series. They did!

Too little too late, but for safety alone with various boards and 125W FX series this was a smart move.

It's a waste of time and money from AMD. If AMD really wants to shake up the FX series, it ought to introduce new silicon based on the Steamroller cores that drive Kaveri, and it ought to offer a new chipset worthy of the FX's enthusiast aspirations. Price cuts and variations on old themes are all well and good, but they're not enough if AMD wants to keep up with Intel.

 

[Kezen]

Supposedly AMD have a brand new CPU architecture in the works based on SMT. Maybe they can get back in the game this time around.
As a consumer I would welcome that.