Fractal finally made a modern mATX case. The Define Mini C should be the recommended mATX now.
Awesome, good to know.
Do wonder if the front intake is limited now with the new design though?
Fractal finally made a modern mATX case. The Define Mini C should be the recommended mATX now.
Don't know who made that, but its not good.
It has a Z170 board with a non-K CPU and 2133Mhz RAM.
CX series PSU is not reputable.
Going full ATX doesn't make sense unless you want a whole lot of nothing in the case. mATX would be better and you may consider ITX.
If you need wireless connection to the internet, then itll need a Wifi card or dongle.
OS will come as a separate cost as well as peripherals like mouse and keyboard, plus a monitor if you don't have one. Unless you plan to hook it up to your TV.
A really good value ITX build which has Wifi onboard and does not allow overclocking:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($194.89 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock H110M-ITX/ac Mini ITX LGA1151 Motherboard ($67.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Crucial 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial MX300 275GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($69.98 @ B&H)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.49 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Windforce OC Video Card ($389.99 @ B&H)
Case: Fractal Design Node 304 Mini ITX Tower Case ($64.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $947.31
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-11-05 13:03 EDT-0400
ITX would be the most difficult to assemble due to it being physically smaller, but all the same principals apply as any larger build.
Heres an mATX build
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($194.89 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H170M-DS3H Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($82.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Crucial 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial MX300 275GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($69.98 @ B&H)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.49 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Windforce OC Video Card ($389.99 @ B&H)
Case: Fractal Design Arc Mini R2 MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($69.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Wireless Network Adapter: Gigabyte GC-WB867D-I REV 4.2 PCI-Express x1 802.11a/b/g/n/ac Wi-Fi Adapter ($28.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $996.30
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-11-05 13:07 EDT-0400
Wow, thanks! Once you add in the OS costs these are a little beyond what I was planning to spend though.
Heres a super bang for buck version.
I reduced the ram to 2x4GB from 2x8GB, the motherboard has 4 slots so you can throw 2 more DIMMS in later.
I removed the SSD as its non essential, but VERY nice to have, if I was to upgrade anything, that would be the first thing I would be getting.
I reduce the motherboard down to B150, since there wont be any special features you absolutely need.
Tone the case down to a more budget style.
Cheapest 1TB 7200rpm drive.
And dropped to an i5 6400.
You can get Windows for $15 if you look online, and if you are a student you can usually get it from your school/uni.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: Intel Core i5-6400 2.7GHz Quad-Core Processor ($174.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B150M-DS3H Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($52.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Kingston HyperX Fury Black 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($46.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Hitachi 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($39.50 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Windforce OC Video Card ($389.99 @ B&H)
Case: Fractal Design Core 1500 MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($44.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Wireless Network Adapter: Gigabyte GC-WB867D-I REV 4.2 PCI-Express x1 802.11a/b/g/n/ac Wi-Fi Adapter ($28.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $808.42
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-11-05 13:31 EDT-0400
Nice! Because I have only the vaguest idea of what I'm talking about, how does that stack up to something like this? It seems like with that one I can get more processor power and ram but a worse video card for $870? I don't know how that balances out.
A GTX 745 is barely going to play games - you are talking low settings 1080p30 for games that came out 2 years ago. And low 720p or 900p for todays games at 30fps.
A GTX 1070 will do the latest games at 1080p60 Ultra, and even 1440p60.
Its completely different ends of the scale.
If you spec up the Dell model with the GTX 970 option, itll be about 20% slower than a GTX 1070 - and they charge 1169USD for that.
So I think it's about time that I upgraded from my current build... Here's what I specced out; I'd appreciate if I could get feedback from you all. Also, I can wait for Black Friday/late November deals, not in a rush.
Your Current Specs: i5-2500k@4.5Ghz + GTX 670
Budget: up to $2000, USA
Main Use: 5? Heavy Gaming + Production (image and video editing in Adobe CC mostly)
Monitor Resolution: 1920x1080@120Hz (gaming monitor), 1920x1200@60Hz (production monitor)
List SPECIFIC games or applications that you MUST be able to run well: Overwatch and Team Fortress 2 at 300+ fps, lots of overhead for Photoshop/Illlustrator/Premiere/After Effects
Looking to reuse any parts?: just monitors and accessories
When will you build?: this month (November)
Will you be overclocking?: Of course.
CPU: Intel Core i7-6700K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($299.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($24.88 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z170M-D3H Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($49.99 @ Microcenter)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($167.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($154.99 @ Microcenter)
Storage: Toshiba 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($79.99 @ Microcenter)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Windforce OC Video Card ($389.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Silverstone TJ08B-E MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($98.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA G2 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Pro OEM 64-bit ($98.99 @ My Choice Software)
Total: $1425.79
And you can see the problem if the drive cage was there:
Thanks for the advice (even taking the time to share pics of your TJ08E build)! Swapped the RAM, cooler, and case over as per your suggestions.Go for 3000Mhz CL 14/15 RAM.
Get a decent heatsink from Noctua/Phanteks
I wouldn't buy the TJ08E simply because the HDD mounts are awful.
The front fan has a very nasty hum to it. There is no exhaust fan you will want one.
I ended up removing the drive cage completely and mounting the drives in the 5.25" bays ghetto style. The drive cages will cause difficult access to the 24pin ATX port, and dependant on mobo layout, cause issues with the USB 3.0 header.
Have a look at the Fractal Design Define C mATX case, a modern case.
Here was my build:
Nope, you can downvolt without touching the clock speed. Fury's can usually run with alot less voltage, give it a try just take 10mv steps and see how far it goes.
So played a little more of Gwent with chrome running in the background and about an hour of the Witcher 3. The new psu seems to have stopped the crashing for now.
Here's a picture of my afterburner:
I feel like my pc crashed when the gpu clock and mem clock got to high, who knows.
It's just a different skin that you can pick in the options. They're all hideous if you ask me.wtf is this? My MSI afterburner is still the ugly ass green one with graphs that looks like it was made in the 90s and I just updated last night
Thanks for the advice (even taking the time to share pics of your TJ08E build)! Swapped the RAM, cooler, and case over as per your suggestions.
CPU: Intel Core i7-6700K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($299.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-U12S 55.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($58.75 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z170M-D3H Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($49.99 @ Microcenter)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($185.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($154.99 @ Microcenter)
Storage: Toshiba 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($79.99 @ Microcenter)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Windforce OC Video Card ($389.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Fractal Design Define Mini C MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($74.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA G2 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Pro OEM 64-bit ($98.99 @ My Choice Software)
Total: $1453.66
Very little change in total cost... looks okay now?
I had put away some money for a PSVR but changed my mind, so I have built a budget-gaming PC now.
For 470 Euro (Could have gotten away much cheaper, but I didnt want to order the stuff. Bought it locally) I got :
CPU i3-6100
Motherboard MSI Night Elf B150M
RAM 8GB HyperX Fury 2133MHz
GFX 4GB XFX RX480 (Was gonna buy the 1060 6GB but all cards were sold out except this..)
HDD : Kingston 120GB SSD (for booting only)
Chassi : Some copy of Corsair Carbide, with 3 ledfans and window
600W PSU
Also using my old 1TB HDD for storage.
Installing Windows 10 right now, so no Idea how it performs yet.
Cant even hear that the computer is running, which is nice.
Looks good, I would say 16GB RAM is more than enough though.
You might want to look at M.2 SSDs as well, that is if the motherboard has the M.2 Slot, as itll make the rig cleaner in terms of cabling.
How did you only pay 470 euro for all of that? Did you just upgrade some components?
Thanks to this thread I decided to get extensions and a few mnpctech metal billets and I really like how my mobo connection to the PSU looks now. It was weird and twisted at an angle that worried me a little before regarding pressure on the motherboard, but it looks pretty great now.
I also used regular Bitfenix Alchemy presleeved extensions rather than full on custom ones, they fit perfectly with them.
I appreciate Paskowitz making his post here:
It was the default one when I downloaded it. It's really ugly.wtf is this? My MSI afterburner is still the ugly ass green one with graphs that looks like it was made in the 90s and I just updated last night
Hey everyone! I don't know if this is the right place to ask this but I really don't know where else to do it.
Anyways, within the past week or so my PC started freezing up a few minutes after booting it up. The mouse will move around but I can't click on anything at all, and nothing becomes highlighted to signify that the mouse is even over it. Anyone know what could be going on and how to fix it?
Souldnt be a heating issue.Possibly new programs trying to run in startup, malware slowing down your system, or overheating issues.
Souldnt be a heating issue.
Suggestions on fixing the other two?
And there we go. the second extension came! Done, at least for now. I remember my old tower build looking nowhere NEAR this clean. I love how easy the S340 Elite makes it for cable management.
Awesome, good to know.
Do wonder if the front intake is limited now with the new design though?
AMD and NVIDIA make the basic chips. But they don't sell the 'package', they leave it up to the other manufacturers to put their own spin on those things.
From your perspective, there really is no difference from one 1080 to another. They'll all perform similarly, some will be slightly faster with a factory overclock, some will be slightly cooler with different cooling fans. The really expensive ones are likely 'binned' for a better chance at overclocking. However, if you're not in the kinda super enthusiast category, you're not going to be able to tell the difference between one at stock speed, and one that is overclocked. Get the cheapest one that you find that you like the look of and has a warranty that you like, and will fit in your case. That's it really.
So played a little more of Gwent with chrome running in the background and about an hour of the Witcher 3. The new psu seems to have stopped the crashing for now.
Here's a picture of my afterburner:
I feel like my pc crashed when the gpu clock and mem clock got to high, who knows.
Cool. Thanks for the update. I'm gonna bite and hopefully I'll have similar luck.
Ok gaf I'm starting to seariously look into this PC building thing but feel super lost.
Would be great if someone could help me:
So first things first. I want to build something that will allow me to play current gen games hopefully maxed out (or nearly) at 60fps and 1080p, though I would also like to play around a bit with downsampling and stuff like that if possible.
I also want it to be a bit future proof so that it doesn't feel outdates in 1-2 years and so that I have space to upgrade it in a few years without having to buy half the components again.
So, what GPU should I get?
I see that both the GTX 1070 and 1080 are popular around here.
Looking at hardware stores in my area, the GTX 1070 is going for around $450 and the GTX1080 is going for around $720.
Are those $300 worth it?
What CPU should I get?
i7 are the better ones right? But I see a ton of gaming PC's being buil with a i5 making me thing a i7 isn't really needed. Is that right?
Oh, ok.
So cheaper one it is.
Thx
It's pretty good for limited merchants. I'd probably take a look at:Built my current PC more than 5 years ago so finally looking at upgrading.
http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/pkr7vV
I think this looks about right for specs at my price range, any obvious mistakes with the brands I've picked out? Generally gone with the top of the list for what I was looking for.
1) I think you do not need to worry about 1080p60 gaming for the foreseeable future if you pick up a 1070 or 1080. Just be mindful about the graphics settings a game offers and don't fall for the "Ultra" 'meme' that a lot of rather uneducated PC gamers are throwing around.Ok gaf I'm starting to seariously look into this PC building thing but feel super lost.
Would be great if someone could help me:
So first things first. I want to build something that will allow me to play current gen games hopefully maxed out (or nearly) at 60fps and 1080p, though I would also like to play around a bit with downsampling and stuff like that if possible.
I also want it to be a bit future proof so that it doesn't feel outdates in 1-2 years and so that I have space to upgrade it in a few years without having to buy half the components again.
So, what GPU should I get?
I see that both the GTX 1070 and 1080 are popular around here.
Looking at hardware stores in my area, the GTX 1070 is going for around $450 and the GTX1080 is going for around $720.
Are those $300 worth it?
What CPU should I get?
i7 are the better ones right? But I see a ton of gaming PC's being buil with a i5 making me thing a i7 isn't really needed. Is that right?
I've been looking at getting a Fractal Design Nano S for my new Mini ITX build next year, but I'm not sure whether the size is small enough to justify the restrictions of M-ITX building. I needed an upgrade anyway so I'm downsizing as well to make transporting from University to Home much easier.
Would it be better if I got the Core 500 and deal with having to buy a SFF PSU (along with a much harder build process) or stick with the Nano S and deal with the larger size footprint? Has anyone got the Nano S, if so what do you think about it?
I love my Nano S, and with a full size 1070+ Noctua CPU cooler I am grateful for the extra space inside.
Outside is nice and squat - kinda fat & low which I like.
https://imgur.com/a/l0Dwf
It's pretty good for limited merchants. I'd probably take a look at:
The actual build itself is perfectly sound though
- A microATX motherboard (there's really no need for ATX unless you're putting loads of expansion cards in).
- Faster memory (2666MHz at least, 3000MHz preferable).
- The Samsung 750 EVO, which is slightly cheaper but just as good. Normally I'd suggest a M.2 NVMe drive but the price has skyrocketed due to Badrexit.
- Look at Gigabyte or EVGA for a 1070 as well, could be cheaper with identical performance.
- There's some new Fractal cases that should be available soon, the Define C (ATX) and Define Mini C (mATX). They're a little cheaper than the R5 and newer, so look them up
Noticed something odd with my computer lately, windows system sometimes shows 24gb ram and sometimes shows 32gb ram (I have 32gb). CPU Z always shows 32, should I reseat it or is all 32 actually working and windows is just trolling?
The different chipsets give you different features, from the number of RAM slots, USB and SATA slots to power phases and overclocking support. Z170 is the enthusiast chipset and is recommended for the K series processor you're using. The Gigabyte Z170M-D3H at Scan would be just fine for your use and would be great for the Define Mini C case.Thanks, I've upgraded the RAM to 3200MHz. I've changed the SSD as well to 750GB so have to worry less about filling it up.
I've moved from Novatech to Scan (I have £150 amazon vouchers so sticking with them where I can) as a couple of bits are cheaper and they have the Define C from tomorrow.
I'm a bit lost with motherboards, what's the difference between the chipsets? mATX ones go for as low as £50 but is that a risk? Would some advice on specific models from amazon or scan.co.uk, I'm probably not going to be overclocking anytime soon.
I don't think it's the mouse. I'll click on something and then it'll freeze without that action happening. The blue circle will pop up shortly after. Maybe it's the RAM slot idk, I don't even know how to check that. I have basic knowledge about PCs and that's about it.I assume you tried another mouse? What about if you use your keyboard, does the pc function? Like the start menu, etc
It kind of sounds like what my pc does when memory is low. Maybe someone can answer, is it possible that his RAM or ram slot is failing?
How did you manage wiring this all together? I have a Nano S sitting unused in the corner of my room because I spent 2 hours trying to get all of the wires in the right spots and then gave up with bleeding fingers and went back to my ATX case. :<I love my Nano S, and with a full size 1070+ Noctua CPU cooler I am grateful for the extra space inside.
Outside is nice and squat - kinda fat & low which I like.
CPU: Intel Core i5-4460
Motherboard: ASRock Z97 Pro3
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB
Video Card: GTX 1070
So I want to update my computer a little bit this fall but I'm not sure what would be the better investment. New RAM or an SSD?
This is what I'm currently running
The different chipsets give you different features, from the number of RAM slots, USB and SATA slots to power phases and overclocking support. Z170 is the enthusiast chipset and is recommended for the K series processor you're using. The Gigabyte Z170M-D3H at Scan would be just fine for your use and would be great for the Define Mini C case.
There's no question about it, get a SSD. By far the biggest upgrade you could make at this point.