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[ISee]

Since i don't have an SSD, i use it for everyday-use things. Things like my whole Kodi setup, Firefox Portable, Winamp and the cache folders of various applications that use thousands of small files. It speeds up all these programs significantly (more so than a SSD) and reduces wear+tear on my actual disks.

But you are right. I can just disable it whenever i have to run a RAM demanding game. But i was thinking of something like The Evil Within, that keeps a cache folder on the disk, i could use some RAM for it instead.

No more free Sata 6.0 ports?
16gb of ddr3 ram cost about 100€, you can get a reasonable 250gb ssd for that amount of money. Or maybe a 1tb hybrid for around 70€...
All better solutions than writing to ram (because it has to be redone. After every boot), it will give you a significant loading time boost and you can reuse the new ssd/hybrid in the future.

 

[Bloodember]

Alright so after a bunch of days nailing down a new build I think I got it figured out. Mind looking it over and letting me know what you think?
I am open to a completely new direction, meaning I'm not married to intel or nvidia if a different build will give better performance at the same or lower price.
Do appreciate everyone's input so far.

PCPartPicker part list: https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/PT4jLD
Price breakdown by merchant: https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/PT4jLD/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Core i5-7600K 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor ($312.98 @ DirectCanada)

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Seidon 120V VER.2 76.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($99.99 @ Amazon Canada)

Motherboard: MSI Z270I GAMING PRO CARBON AC Mini ITX LGA1151 Motherboard ($233.12 @ shopRBC)

Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($154.98 @ DirectCanada)

Storage: Intel 600p Series 256GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($133.98 @ DirectCanada)

Storage: Toshiba 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($84.99 @ Newegg Canada)

Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB WINDFORCE OC 6G Video Card ($339.50 @ Vuugo)

Case: Fractal Design Core 500 Mini ITX Desktop Case ($74.99 @ NCIX)

Power Supply: Rosewill 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($89.99 @ Newegg Canada)

Optical Drive: Asus BC-12B1ST/BLK/B/AS Blu-Ray Reader, DVD/CD Writer ($64.99 @ Newegg Canada)

Total: $1589.51


Thanks

Looks good except for the PSU, I'd switch that to an EVGA G2 or G3 model.

 

[ISee]

Storage: Intel 600p Series 256GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($133.98 @ DirectCanada)

Not sure about the 600p. It's not really much faster than a standard sata 6.0 ssd. Getting a normal sata 6.0 ssd would be equally fast (more or less) and you could save some money or you could get more space for the same amount of money.
But if you're looking for a pci-e ssd for speed/performance reasons the 960 evo/pro, the Toshiba OCZ RD400 or the Plextor M8Pe could be worth your time.

 

[bomblord1]

My younger brother is attempting to make a PC that he and a friend can both play off simultaneously using a virtualized environment (see 2 gamers 1 pc by linus tech tips)

He has a budget of $1k (not including software)

This is what I personally came up with

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-7600K 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor ($238.95 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H60 54.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: MSI Z270-A PRO ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($114.99 @ B&H)
Memory: GeIL EVO POTENZA 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($82.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.33 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon RX 480 4GB Red Dragon Video Card (2-Way CrossFire) ($159.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon RX 480 4GB Red Dragon Video Card (2-Way CrossFire) ($159.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Phanteks ECLIPSE P400 ATX Mid Tower Case ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Rosewill 650W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $991.21
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-02-07 12:51 EST-0500

I verified both the CPU and the Z270 chipset support Intels VT-D

I chose an i5-7600K and a water cooler so that we can overclock the CPU to make up for the lack of cores per user. (should work as 2 cores per)

Each person gets 8GB of RAM

We have a second HDD already.

I chose dual 480's because of the price range.

I figure even in an absolute worst case scenario where his experiment fails horridly he still has a decent PC on his hands and can SLI the RX-480's.

Just to be clear the 2 GPU's don't have to be the same model I just figured it would make a good fallback.

I'm completely open to revisions, suggestions, or being told that this somehow wouldn't work. The budge is $1000 though.

 

[brianjones]

how much would it cost to build a comparable PC to this iMac?

http://www.apple.com/shop/product/F...uad-core-intel-core-i5-with-retina-5k-display

i could even do with less.. all i really do is browse the internet, watch some videos, spotify, etc.. but i want something fast

my current computer is a 2007 iMac with 4GB RAM.. lol.. its hanging in there but barely.. tired of looking at beachballs

 

[Thraktor]

I have 16GB right now since i hear that 8GB is starting to become insufficient. However, i use a chunk of this RAM as RAMDisk. About 1 or 2 GBs. So my actual RAM is 14GB.

Should i upgrade to 32GB then? Or wait it out until RAM sticks become cheaper again? I wonder if i will be able to find DDR3 sticks in one year from now.

It'll be quite a while before 32GB is actually valuable for games, likely long after RAM prices have come down again, so there's not much point upgrading now. As you mention in your other post that you don't have an SSD, that would be a far more worthwhile thing to put any upgrade funds into.

how much would it cost to build a comparable PC to this iMac?

http://www.apple.com/shop/product/F...uad-core-intel-core-i5-with-retina-5k-display

i could even do with less.. all i really do is browse the internet, watch some videos, spotify, etc.. but i want something fast

my current computer is a 2007 iMac with 4GB RAM.. lol.. its hanging in there but barely.. tired of looking at beachballs

How important is the 5K screen to you? A comparable 5K monitor will cost over $1000, so to be honest the 5K iMacs aren't that bad value once you take the screen into account. If you're willing to drop down to 4K you could save quite a bit by building something yourself, though.

 

[Bloodember]

My younger brother is attempting to make a PC that he and a friend can both play off simultaneously using a virtualized environment (see 2 gamers 1 pc by linus tech tips)

He has a budget of $1k (not including software)

This is what I personally came up with


I verified both the CPU and the Z270 chipset support Intels VT-D

I chose an i5-7600K and a water cooler so that we can overclock the CPU to make up for the lack of cores per user. (should work as 2 cores per)

Each person gets 8GB of RAM

We have a second HDD already.

I chose dual 480's because of the price range.

I figure even in an absolute worst case scenario where his experiment fails horridly he still has a decent PC on his hands and can SLI the RX-480's.

Just to be clear the 2 GPU's don't have to be the same model I just figured it would make a good fallback.

I'm completely open to revisions, suggestions, or being told that this somehow wouldn't work. The budge is $1000 though.

I'd suggest adding a SSD to that build.

how much would it cost to build a comparable PC to this iMac?

http://www.apple.com/shop/product/F...uad-core-intel-core-i5-with-retina-5k-display

i could even do with less.. all i really do is browse the internet, watch some videos, spotify, etc.. but i want something fast

my current computer is a 2007 iMac with 4GB RAM.. lol.. its hanging in there but barely.. tired of looking at beachballs

Do you want a 5k or 4k display also? If so the 5K, the LG one from apple is $974, You can get 4k alot cheaper, if you even need that. Plus the cost of the PC, obviously.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-7600 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($220.89 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Asus PRIME B250M-K Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($79.99 @ B&H)
Memory: G.Skill Aegis 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Intel 600p Series 512GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($169.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.33 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon RX 460 4GB NITRO Video Card ($110.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Fractal Design Core 1100 MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($29.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA G3 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($77.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Monitor: LG 27UD68-W 27.0" 3840x2160 60Hz Monitor ($499.99 @ Best Buy)
Keyboard: Microsoft Keyboard 200 Wired Standard Keyboard ($11.90 @ NCIX US)
Mouse: Microsoft Mobile Mouse 3500 Wireless Optical Mouse ($13.99 @ Jet)
Total: $1365.04
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-02-07 14:01 EST-0500

You can get Windows from here, for $25. Case, keyboard and mouse are just placeholders, as they are subjective to what you want and like, you can pick what you want, which of course would change the price.

 

[bomblord1]

how much would it cost to build a comparable PC to this iMac?

http://www.apple.com/shop/product/F...uad-core-intel-core-i5-with-retina-5k-display

i could even do with less.. all i really do is browse the internet, watch some videos, spotify, etc.. but i want something fast

my current computer is a 2007 iMac with 4GB RAM.. lol.. its hanging in there but barely.. tired of looking at beachballs

This should match or exceed everything in that Mac based purely on specs. I've also included the price of Windows and a 4k monitor since it was an all in one with a 5k screen.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-7500 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($197.99 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: MSI Z170-A PRO ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($101.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Aegis 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($52.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.33 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon RX 470 4GB Video Card ($164.99 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT S340 (White) ATX Mid Tower Case ($59.97 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($43.88 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($88.58 @ OutletPC)
Wireless Network Adapter: Gigabyte GC-WB867D-I PCI-Express x1 802.11a/b/g/n/ac Wi-Fi Adapter ($29.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Monitor: AOC U2879VF 28.0" 3840x2160 60Hz Monitor ($318.71 @ Amazon)
Total: $1108.41
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-02-07 14:06 EST-0500

To be blunt this is exceedingly overkill for browsing the web and watching videos but I tried to match or exceed the iMac specs since that was your base.

edit: reduced ram added wifi card

 

[brianjones]

This should match or exceed everything in that Mac based purely on specs. I've also included the price of Windows and a 4k monitor since it was an all in one with a 5k screen.



To be blunt this is exceedingly overkill for browsing the web and watching videos but I tried to match or exceed the iMac specs since that was your base.

appreciate the fast response!

i don't mind a bit of overkill

I'm assuming i should get an SSD in there as well

 

[LordAlu]

how much would it cost to build a comparable PC to this iMac?

http://www.apple.com/shop/product/F...uad-core-intel-core-i5-with-retina-5k-display

i could even do with less.. all i really do is browse the internet, watch some videos, spotify, etc.. but i want something fast

my current computer is a 2007 iMac with 4GB RAM.. lol.. its hanging in there but barely.. tired of looking at beachballs

I'm sure people will come up with all sorts of builds. Here's what I put together:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-7500 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($197.99 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B250M-DS3H Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($73.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport LT 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($54.95 @ Directron)
Storage: Sandisk SSD PLUS 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($74.99 @ Best Buy)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.33 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 1050 2GB Video Card ($109.99 @ B&H)
Case: Cooler Master MasterBox Lite 3 (Windowless) MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($50.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA 450W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($37.89 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($25.00)
Wireless Network Adapter: Gigabyte GC-WB867D-I PCI-Express x1 802.11a/b/g/n/ac Wi-Fi Adapter ($29.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Monitor: BenQ BL2711U 27.0" 3840x2160 60Hz Monitor ($449.00 @ B&H)
Keyboard: Microsoft Desktop 850 Wireless Standard Keyboard w/Optical Mouse ($24.99 @ Best Buy)
Other: Rosewill RCR-IC001 USB 2.0 3.5-Inch Internal Card Reader with USB Port/Extra Silver Face Plate (RCR-IC001) ($14.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1194.07
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-02-07 14:01 EST-0500

It tries to get as close to the Mac spec as I can, so it has wireless, bluetooth, card reader, keyboard and mouse and a 4K monitor (5K is just a bit expensive!). It also has an SSD and hard drive rather than the hybrid fusion drive in the Mac.

 

[vector824]

how much would it cost to build a comparable PC to this iMac?

http://www.apple.com/shop/product/F...uad-core-intel-core-i5-with-retina-5k-display

i could even do with less.. all i really do is browse the internet, watch some videos, spotify, etc.. but i want something fast

my current computer is a 2007 iMac with 4GB RAM.. lol.. its hanging in there but barely.. tired of looking at beachballs

This is fun. I'll join I guess!

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-7600 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($220.89 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG C7 40.5 CFM CPU Cooler ($29.99 @ Newegg Marketplace)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z270M-D3H Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($119.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Aegis 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Sandisk SSD PLUS 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($74.99 @ Best Buy)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.33 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon RX 480 8GB NITRO+ OC Video Card ($267.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Fractal Design Core 1100 MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($29.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA G3 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($77.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Monitor: LG 27UD68-P 27.0" 3840x2160 60Hz Monitor ($499.00 @ B&H)
Keyboard: Microsoft Keyboard 200 Wired Standard Keyboard ($11.90 @ NCIX US)
Mouse: Microsoft Mobile Mouse 3500 Wireless Optical Mouse ($13.99 @ Jet)
Total: $1496.04
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-02-07 14:19 EST-0500

Bumped to the higher end GPU from AMD, that monitor supports FreeSync as well. Mobo supports XMP for the RAM.


This will get you there really cheap:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-7500 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($197.99 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B250M-DS3H Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($73.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Aegis 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($51.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Sandisk SSD PLUS 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($74.99 @ Best Buy)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.33 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon RX 470 4GB Video Card ($164.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Fractal Design Core 1100 MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($29.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA G3 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($77.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Monitor: LG 27UD68-P 27.0" 3840x2160 60Hz Monitor ($499.00 @ B&H)
Keyboard: Microsoft Keyboard 200 Wired Standard Keyboard ($11.90 @ NCIX US)
Mouse: Microsoft Mobile Mouse 3500 Wireless Optical Mouse ($13.99 @ Jet)
Total: $1246.14
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-02-07 14:27 EST-0500

 

[Celcius]

8 hours of realbench passed at 1.248v, still at 4.8ghz core / 4.5ghz cache: http://imgur.com/ni03oCV
Next I'll do some x264 for a few hours and then move on to Prime95 tonight.

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

Alright so after a bunch of days nailing down a new build I think I got it figured out. Mind looking it over and letting me know what you think?
I am open to a completely new direction, meaning I'm not married to intel or nvidia if a different build will give better performance at the same or lower price.
Do appreciate everyone's input so far.

PCPartPicker part list: https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/PT4jLD
Price breakdown by merchant: https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/PT4jLD/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Core i5-7600K 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor ($312.98 @ DirectCanada)

CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Seidon 120V VER.2 76.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($99.99 @ Amazon Canada)

Motherboard: MSI Z270I GAMING PRO CARBON AC Mini ITX LGA1151 Motherboard ($233.12 @ shopRBC)

Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($154.98 @ DirectCanada)

Storage: Intel 600p Series 256GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($133.98 @ DirectCanada)

Storage: Toshiba 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($84.99 @ Newegg Canada)

Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB WINDFORCE OC 6G Video Card ($339.50 @ Vuugo)

Case: Fractal Design Core 500 Mini ITX Desktop Case ($74.99 @ NCIX)

Power Supply: Rosewill 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($89.99 @ Newegg Canada)

Optical Drive: Asus BC-12B1ST/BLK/B/AS Blu-Ray Reader, DVD/CD Writer ($64.99 @ Newegg Canada)

Total: $1589.51


Thanks

You're being bent over paying $340 for a 1060. I'd recommend a good 480 over that as well which you can get for cheaper.

 

[JonnyDBrit]

You're being bent over paying $340 for a 1060. I'd recommend a good 480 over that as well which you can get for cheaper.

Worth remembering it's canadian dollars, not American. That said, 8GB 480's are available from $320 via Newegg, with the option of rebates to make them even cheaper.

 

[Dusktildawn48]

Ok I changed some things first I changed the motherboard tons b250 since your using kaby lake, second I got rid of the k CPU for a non k since you are using a b250, unless you were planning on over clocking then you need a z270 mobo.
I also got rid of the cooler as one comes with the CPU. I also switched the memory to 2400 ram as the board doesn't support overclocking. Also I got rid of windows as you can get it for $25 from here, play-asia.com. If your going to overclock switch the CPU back the the 7600K, get a Z270 board and get 3000MHZ RAM and an H7 Cooler, not the 212 EVO.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-7600 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($220.89 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: MSI B250 PC MATE ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($94.99 @ B&H)
Memory: G.Skill Aegis 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Intel 600p Series 128GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($63.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.33 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Video Card ($419.99 @ B&H)
Case: Corsair Air 540 ATX Mid Tower Case ($129.79 @ B&H)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA G3 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($77.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($17.98 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Asus VE278H 27.0" 1920x1080 Monitor ($183.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $1358.93
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-02-07 02:12 EST-0500

thanks my man. ill probably just go with this build.

edit: only thing im concerned about is the m.2, ive never had good luck with them. "The motherboard M.2 slot #0 shares bandwidth with a SATA 6.0 Gb/s port. When the M.2 slot is populated, one SATA 6Gb/s port is disabled." isn't anything to worry about correct?
and i think ill stick with the evga 1070.

 

[Weevilone]

thanks my man. ill probably just go with this build.

edit: only thing im concerned about is the m.2, ive never had good luck with them. "The motherboard M.2 slot #0 shares bandwidth with a SATA 6.0 Gb/s port. When the M.2 slot is populated, one SATA 6Gb/s port is disabled." isn't anything to worry about correct?

You pretty much have to go with an X99 build to avoid PCIE lane contention like that. Just make sure the board has enough of whatever you need when it's all said and done. With my board I lose 2 SATA ports but I have 4 others anyways.

 

[Dusktildawn48]

You pretty much have to go with an X99 build to avoid PCIE lane contention like that. Just make sure the board has enough of whatever you need when it's all said and done. With my board I lose 2 SATA ports but I have 4 others anyways.

it says it has 6. so 1 for dvd, and 1 for hdd. am i missing any?

 

[Nyteshade517]

it says it has 6. so 1 for dvd, and 1 for hdd. am i missing any?

no...that's all you'd need for that build

you'd just have to look in the manual for the MB and see what SATA ports the M.2 would take bandwidth from and not put a cable in those

 

[Dusktildawn48]

no...that's all you'd need for that build

you'd just have to look in the manual for the MB and see what SATA ports the M.2 would take bandwidth from and not put a cable in those

perfect, thanks guy. i love gaf...

 

[Nyteshade517]

perfect, thanks guy. i love gaf...

looked up that motherboard and glanced at the manual...you only lose SATA ports if you put a SATA based M.2 in either M.2 slot...since that 600p is PCIe based SSD you wouldn't lose any of the SATA ports going by the details in the manual

 

[Nealand Liquor]

Looks good except for the PSU, I'd switch that to an EVGA G2 or G3 model.

K, I'll swap it out. I'm hoping to go fully modular cause I think it would make cable management easier for someone like me with zero experience. Also given the size of the case I figure anything that will help maximize air flow is the better option.
As always thanks for your help!

Not sure about the 600p. It's not really much faster than a standard sata 6.0 ssd. Getting a normal sata 6.0 ssd would be equally fast (more or less) and you could save some money or you could get more space for the same amount of money.
But if you're looking for a pci-e ssd for speed/performance reasons the 960 evo/pro, the Toshiba OCZ RD400 or the Plextor M8Pe could be worth your time.

I'll check out. I really don't know the difference/benefits between any of the ssd configurations.

You're being bent over paying $340 for a 1060. I'd recommend a good 480 over that as well which you can get for cheaper.

Worth remembering it's canadian dollars, not American. That said, 8GB 480's are available from $320 via Newegg, with the option of rebates to make them even cheaper.

Hmmmmm... Any suggestions on reliable AMD manufactures? Anything you think I should consider?

 

[JonnyDBrit]

Hmmmmm... Any suggestions on reliable AMD manufactures? Anything you think I should consider?

Though I've only dipped my toes in with regards to AMD GPUs, from what I understand XFX and Sapphire tend to be among those commonly cited, which makes sense when considering that GPU wise they only do AMD. On newegg a bunch of the XFX cards do provide rebates as well.

 

[vector824]

Hmmmmm... Any suggestions on reliable AMD manufactures? Anything you think I should consider?

Sapphire, Gigabyte or MSI. Sapphire is the leading word of mouth anecdotal AMD card IMO.

 

[Nealand Liquor]

Though I've only dipped my toes in with regards to AMD GPUs, from what I understand XFX and Sapphire tend to be among those commonly cited, which makes sense when considering that GPU wise they only do AMD. On newegg a bunch of the XFX cards do provide rebates as well.

Sapphire, Gigabyte or MSI. Sapphire is the leading word of mouth anecdotal AMD card IMO.

Thanks, that helps a lot.

So hey just one (or five, haha) more questions if you guys don't mind. I see the core clock speeds are slower than the gtx 1060, how much of a difference does 1.12GHz (amd) - to the 1.58GHz (gtx)? I feel like this is an absurdly stupid question but the extra 2GBs in the 480 is more than enough to make up for this? God I feel dumb even asking that lol.
And finally should I invest the extra money and go with a 1.21GHz card over a 1.12, or does the .09 almost no difference?

 

[Gaogaogao]

yo I just got this
http://www.ebay.com/itm/291891606536

 

[vector824]

Thanks, that helps a lot.

So hey just one (or five, haha) more questions if you guys don't mind. I see the core clock speeds are slower than the gtx 1060, how much of a difference does 1.12GHz (amd) - to the 1.58GHz (gtx)? I feel like this is an absurdly stupid question but the extra 2GBs in the 480 is more than enough to make up for this? God I feel dumb even asking that lol.
And finally should I invest the extra money and go with a 1.21GHz card over a 1.12, or does the .09 almost no difference?

Don't feel dumb, I'm not an expert in this stuff either. It's a legitimate question that you should be asking.

1060 vs 480 depends on the game you're playing, if it's DX11 or 12, who developed the game and if you're a fan boy of one or the other. I pick AMD for FreeSync, because it's cheaper than GSync. The extra 2GB can make a difference when you're running higher resolutions and settings, but it's not a large difference. Again, mostly anecdotal. Will you be happy with either card? Yes.

The 1.21 card is fine over the 1.12; higher clock speeds mean more chunks of data processed, will you be able to tell? Probably not. Want to spend the money on something else? Buy the 1.12.

 

[Bloodember]

thanks my man. ill probably just go with this build.

edit: only thing im concerned about is the m.2, ive never had good luck with them. "The motherboard M.2 slot #0 shares bandwidth with a SATA 6.0 Gb/s port. When the M.2 slot is populated, one SATA 6Gb/s port is disabled." isn't anything to worry about correct?
and i think ill stick with the evga 1070.

You should have nothing to worry about with the m.2. As for the 1070 up to you it's just preference.

 

[paskowitz]

yo I just got this
http://www.ebay.com/itm/291891606536

Damn son. Nice one.

 

[Dusktildawn48]

looked up that motherboard and glanced at the manual...you only lose SATA ports if you put a SATA based M.2 in either M.2 slot...since that 600p is PCIe based SSD you wouldn't lose any of the SATA ports going by the details in the manual

Damn man. That was mighty awesome of you!

 

[Diabelli]

I don't know of this is the right place to post this, but recently my external hard-drive (it's Maxtor 2TB) is constantly blinking, and I'm pretty sure I hear it reading or writing. Is there any way to find out what process is using the hard-drive (I'm on a mac)? The only files on it are media files. Don't want the hard-drive to die by being in constant use.

I just checked the reads in and reads out of the disk process, and it's definitely reading and writing to the disk. When I eject the disk the live process graph flatlines.

Edit - Figured it out. It was spotlight indexing.

 

[Nyteshade517]

Damn man. That was mighty awesome of you!

was no problem

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unless something negative comes up I'll be able to build a PC in the next 3-4 weeks

fingers crossed everything I'll need will be in stock and at good prices (or at least at current prices)

 

[Celcius]

meh, real bench ran for 8 hours with no issues but prime 95 errored out within 17 minutes. Guess I should have stuck to the tried and true stress test.

 

[Weevilone]

meh, real bench ran for 8 hours with no issues but prime 95 errored out within 17 minutes. Guess I should have stuck to the tried and true stress test.

The ASUS overclocking guide I read was warning away from Prime and such. I'm probably not remembering properly but it's here:

http://edgeup.asus.com/2017/01/31/kaby-lake-overclocking-guide/

 

[Celcius]

The ASUS overclocking guide I read was warning away from Prime and such. I'm probably not remembering properly but it's here:

http://edgeup.asus.com/2017/01/31/kaby-lake-overclocking-guide/

That's the same guide that I've recently read. I know a lot of people say don't use prime 95 these days but it's still kinda shocking that real bench would run for 8 hours and p95 would error out in 17 minutes. I've bumped the voltage up a notch and I'm trying again. What program did you use for stress testing?

edit: Prime95 27.7 had my cpu at 88C before I stopped it. Now I don't know what to think. I ran it 24 hours straight on my 2600k and 930 before that back in the day but these new cpus don't seem to like it...
Also, when running realbench or x264 my vcore was a steady 1.248 but when I load up prime95 is raises to 1.264. I guess it's time to read up on avx offset.

 

[Invis]

Would it be possible to get a 7700k, mobo, cooler, M.2 drive (cheapest just for OS), and 16GB DDR4 for under $650? Thinking about upgrading my build currently (2500K, GTX 1080, 16GB DDR3). I see the 7700K is on eBay currently for $310 via Monoprice.

 

[Weevilone]

That's the same guide that I've recently read. I know a lot of people say don't use prime 95 these days but it's still kinda shocking that real bench would run for 8 hours and p95 would error out in 17 minutes. I've bumped the voltage up a notch and I'm trying again. What program did you use for stress testing?

edit: Prime95 27.7 had my cpu at 88C before I stopped it. Now I don't know what to think. I ran it 24 hours straight on my 2600k and 930 before that back in the day but these new cpus don't seem to like it...
Also, when running realbench or x264 my vcore was a steady 1.248 but when I load up prime95 is raises to 1.264. I guess it's time to read up on avx offset.

I haven't finished stress testing but I won't do anything aside from Realbench. Hardocp also just uses x264 based testing for stability these days.

At the end of the day I guess it's up to everyone to figure out what stable means to them. I'm just going to be gaming for the most part so I am not too concerned. I plan to de-lid/re-lid before I push any further b/c my chip doesn't seem as good as yours. I was hitting higher temps and using more Vcore, but I was also testing 5.0 with RAM at 3600. I never had any issues at 4.8, but again, not doing Prime.

 

[Nyteshade517]

Would it be possible to get a 7700k, mobo, cooler, M.2 drive (cheapest just for OS), and 16GB DDR4 for under $650? Thinking about upgrading my build currently (2500K, GTX 1080, 16GB DDR3). I see the 7700K is on eBay currently for $310 via Monoprice.

I'm sure you'll get a few different people to make a list for you...what speed on the RAM?...the higher that goes the more expensive it can get

 

[Weevilone]

https://www.cpchardware.com/intel-prepare-la-riposte-a-ryzen/

Need to translate, but rumors of 2 new Kaby Lake parts including one a bit faster than 7700k.

I personally don't see it as a reaction to Ryzen but who knows. The frustrating thing for me is JUST buying a CPU and finding out that they are binning, so as to keep the best parts for a soon to be released chip.

 

[Bloodember]

Would it be possible to get a 7700k, mobo, cooler, M.2 drive (cheapest just for OS), and 16GB DDR4 for under $650? Thinking about upgrading my build currently (2500K, GTX 1080, 16GB DDR3). I see the 7700K is on eBay currently for $310 via Monoprice.

Yes it's possible just need to find some deals. Like that CPU

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-7700K 4.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($343.45 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($34.88 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: MSI Z270-A PRO ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($114.99 @ B&H)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($94.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO 120GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($86.82 @ Amazon)
Total: $675.13
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-02-07 19:35 EST-0500

 

[Nyteshade517]

Yes it's possible just need to find some deals. Like that CPU

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-7700K 4.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($343.45 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($34.88 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: MSI Z270-A PRO ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($114.99 @ B&H)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($94.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO 120GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($86.82 @ Amazon)
Total: $675.13
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-02-07 19:35 EST-0500

that RAM is actually $114.99 at Newegg...for whatever reason they haven't updated their price yet on picker

 

[Celcius]

man, even at 4.6ghz I have to stop p95 at 89C out of concern. I'm just going to ignore it.

 

[LilJoka]

https://www.cpchardware.com/intel-prepare-la-riposte-a-ryzen/

Need to translate, but rumors of 2 new Kaby Lake parts including one a bit faster than 7700k.

I personally don't see it as a reaction to Ryzen but who knows. The frustrating thing for me is JUST buying a CPU and finding out that they are binning, so as to keep the best parts for a soon to be released chip.

I think you are over thinking it. Ryzen is rumoured to have the IPC of broadwell.
Intel are on a 3 phase CPU cycle from their normal tick tock cycle - all their upgrades have been marginal till now and it only looks to be worse.

 

[Invis]

Yes it's possible just need to find some deals. Like that CPU

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-7700K 4.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($343.45 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($34.88 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: MSI Z270-A PRO ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($114.99 @ B&H)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($94.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO 120GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($86.82 @ Amazon)
Total: $675.13
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-02-07 19:35 EST-0500

Awesome. I did forgot to mention that I was looking for an M.2 NVMe drive sadly. Looking at the price of a 960 Pro/EVO, I think I might forego an NVMe drive for now anyways. I already have 2 SATA SSDs, and the price of an NVMe drive currently is at a nice point, yet I don't think it fits into this specific upgrade.

Regarding RAM speeds, where does diminishing returns come into play? I know recently RAM speeds have shown to provide FPS gains in certain scenarios, but where is the cutoff point? Of course I'm looking for the fastest I can get without getting into unnecessary-just-to-have-it territory.

 

[LilJoka]

Awesome. I did forgot to mention that I was looking for an M.2 NVMe drive sadly. Looking at the price of a 960 Pro/EVO, I think I might forego an NVMe drive for now anyways. I already have 2 SATA SSDs, and the price of an NVMe drive currently is at a nice point, yet I don't think it fits into this specific upgrade.

Regarding RAM speeds, where does diminishing returns come into play? I know recently RAM speeds have shown to provide FPS gains in certain scenarios, but where is the cutoff point? Of course I'm looking for the fastest I can get without getting into unnecessary-just-to-have-it territory.

3000mhz cl14 is sufficient.
Most 7700k should do 3600mhz with some tweaking.
Remember XMP speeds are not garunteed and you are limited by the Intel memory controller quality of your CPU sample.

 

[FinKL]

I understand that the advertised storage is always more than what Window reports because of computer technicalities, but I'm wondering if USB drives from the same brand/package can have different capacities. I just got a 2 pack of 32gb sticks, but 1 reports 29.8 and the other 28.8gbs. I'm thinking I messed up the 28.8gb one by putting Ubuntu+Swap, but I don't remember if they ever had the same capacity. I tried Windows Clean on it, but it still reports the same.

 

[LilJoka]

I understand that the advertised storage is always more than what Window reports because of computer technicalities, but I'm wondering if USB drives from the same brand/package can have different capacities. I just got a 2 pack of 32gb sticks, but 1 reports 29.8 and the other 28.8gbs. I'm thinking I messed up the 28.8gb one by putting Ubuntu+Swap, but I don't remember if they ever had the same capacity. I tried Windows Clean on it, but it still reports the same.

Should be the same - check there arent any partitions on them both when comparing.
In the windows partition manager both would then appear as unallocated space.

 

[Invis]

Here's what my final part list would be after taking suggestions and doing some research of my own.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-7700K 4.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($343.45 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($34.88 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: MSI Z270 PC MATE ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($124.99 @ B&H)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $603.31
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-02-07 21:50 EST-0500

Price would be lower than what's listed due to the $310 7700K on eBay as well as me having some credit on Amazon, so it'd be around $555 total. Doesn't seem like a bad deal.

Now I just have to convince myself to pull the trigger now and not wait for Cannonlake.

 

[Bloodember]

Awesome. I did forgot to mention that I was looking for an M.2 NVMe drive sadly. Looking at the price of a 960 Pro/EVO, I think I might forego an NVMe drive for now anyways. I already have 2 SATA SSDs, and the price of an NVMe drive currently is at a nice point, yet I don't think it fits into this specific upgrade.

Regarding RAM speeds, where does diminishing returns come into play? I know recently RAM speeds have shown to provide FPS gains in certain scenarios, but where is the cutoff point? Of course I'm looking for the fastest I can get without getting into unnecessary-just-to-have-it territory.

For nvme try an Intel 600p.

 

[Nyteshade517]

Here's what my final part list would be after taking suggestions and doing some research of my own.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-7700K 4.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($343.45 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($34.88 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: MSI Z270 PC MATE ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($124.99 @ B&H)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $603.31
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-02-07 21:50 EST-0500

Price would be lower than what's listed due to the $310 7700K on eBay as well as me having some credit on Amazon, so it'd be around $555 total. Doesn't seem like a bad deal.

Now I just have to convince myself to pull the trigger now and not wait for Cannonlake.

just make sure you double check the prices when you go to buy anything...that RAM is actually $20 more expensive than it says there

 

[SenshiManny]

just make sure you double check the prices when you go to buy anything...that RAM is actually $20 more expensive than it says there

Got curious and decided to check my newegg email. I believe pcpartpicker is pulling the price from the wrong page. A single 16 GB stick of that RAM is actually $99 vs the $119 for the 2 8 GB sticks. Giving a link in case he wants to still get the RAM for $99. https://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod..._DDR4_3200_(PC4_25600)-_-20-232-090-_-Product