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[YCoCg]

But but I'm digital only and swapping dics is so hard.
(I'm looking at my retail copies and laughing about you.)

This affects physical games too, if the console is not authenticated then it will refuse to play disc based games too.

 

[Shane89]

if the moon fall on earth everyone will be fu**ed

 

[Mabdia]

Meh. It's a negative, but it's way too exaggerated. It's the way of Social media so whatever.

At least far into the future if this happens to mine, I can just open it up, replace battery, close it up, done. No soldering involved. That's good enough to me.

You right... But let's go to a IF scenario?

What if in the next 5 years or so Sony shut down the servers for any reason? You'll have a( U$500+U$ of your games) paper weigh.

To me the concern is reasonable.

Sony should say something about it and how and if they plan to fix it.

 

[Zog]

It blows my mind that people are letting Sony off the hook for this. Consider this, Sony designed it so that PHYSICAL games wouldn't work either.

 

[Reality Czar]

What if in the next 5 years or so Sony shut down the servers for any reason? You'll have a( U$500+U$ of your games) paper weigh.

To me the concern is reasonable.

You think it is reasonable to expect all Sony game servers to be shut down in 5 years?

LOL how do these threads still exist? Just people going insane over bs rumors.

It blows my mind that people are letting Sony off the hook for this. Consider this, Sony designed it so that PHYSICAL games wouldn't work either.

Blow my mind that people are throwing a tantrum over what might happen decades in the future.

 

[Zog]

You think it is reasonable to expect all Sony game servers to be shut down in 5 years?

LOL how do these threads still exist? Just people going insane over bs rumors.

Blow my mind that people are throwing a tantrum over what might happen decades in the future.

MIGHT? Sony won't leave their servers up forever. It will happen sooner or later.

 

[cireza]

I have had to replace my CMOS battery in my Saturn about two years ago.

Saturn is a well designed console. Battery is accessible from the back of the console, does not require opening, and can be changed easily. You lose your saves (that's why you have a memory card, action replay or whatever), and that's it.

For the PS5, you have to open the console. When the battery dies in the PS5, even after you change the battery, you will have to connect to the internet to access your digital games again. And I would not bet that in 30 years, the required services will still be online to activate this.

 

[DForce]

It blows my mind that people are letting Sony off the hook for this. Consider this, Sony designed it so that PHYSICAL games wouldn't work either.

5 months ago, people were complaining about the PlayStation 5's SSD being soldered to the motherboard while the Xbox Series X SSD was not.

What did they say?

"If the Xbox Series X SSD goes down, you can open up and replace it easily." But now people want to complain about replacing a battery (which is much easier, mind you) to replace a battery if anything goes wrong.

It's not about letting "Sony off the hook" it's just the simple fact that it's not a problem. People are sitting here worried that the PlayStation Network will go down within the next 15 years, rendering their console useless. That's right, Sony's last console will be a PlayStation 6 and they will turn off disable their entire network.

 

[Zog]

5 months ago, people were complaining about the PlayStation 5's SSD being soldered to the motherboard while the Xbox Series X SSD was not.

What did they say?

"If the Xbox Series X SSD goes down, you can open up and replace it easily." But now people want to complain about replacing a battery (which is much easier, mind you) to replace a battery if anything goes wrong.

It's not about letting "Sony off the hook" it's just the simple fact that it's not a problem. People are sitting here worried that the PlayStation Network will go down within the next 15 years, rendering their console useless. That's right, Sony's last console will be a PlayStation 6 and they will turn off disable their entire network.

The problem is that they designed it this way in the first place. Also, they will shut down the servers sooner or later.

 

[Loxus]

The problem is that they designed it this way in the first place. Also, they will shut down the servers sooner or later.

When you say severs, do you mean PSN or multiplayer severs?
Because you would have to be making stuff up if you think Sony is going to close down PSN.
And what's so hard about changing the battery every 10 years?

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

PS5 is doomed/scare story no.15 this year...those records tumbling for Ryan's console got a whole section of people shook

 

[reinking]

Saturn is a well designed console. Battery is accessible from the back of the console, does not require opening, and can be changed easily. You lose your saves (that's why you have a memory card, action replay or whatever), and that's it.

For the PS5, you have to open the console. When the battery dies in the PS5, even after you change the battery, you will have to connect to the internet to access your digital games again. And I would not bet that in 30 years, the required services will still be online to activate this.

You guys have convinced me. I am going to worry over this "issue" for the next 30 years.

 

[Mabdia]

You think it is reasonable to expect all Sony game servers to be shut down in 5 years?

LOL how do these threads still exist? Just people going insane over bs rumors.

Blow my mind that people are throwing a tantrum over what might happen decades in the future.

Come on!!! Isn't that hard to understand what i've said.

What is reasonable is the concern about the CMOS problem. What was the hard part to understand a "What if scenario"?

It is a rumor? Yes, it is. But the silence of Sony about that concerns me. I Still have my Super Nintendo (SNES) fully working (30 years after it's release) along side with some of my games that use the same type of battery. Have lost some saves, but the games are fully working. And I play these games from time to time, My PS1 and PS2 too. I really what to know if my games on PS4 and PS5 (if some day i buy that) will works independently of Sony's servers.

 

[Zog]

When you say severs, do you mean PSN or multiplayer severs?
Because you would have to be making stuff up if you think Sony is going to close down PSN.
And what's so hard about changing the battery every 10 years?

I mean whatever server is used for authentication. Let me ask you something, why do you think Sony designed it NOT TO PLAY physical games if the authentication server can't be reached after changing the CMOS battery?

 

[Loxus]

Come on!!! Isn't that hard to understand what i've said.

What is reasonable is the concern about the CMOS problem. What was the hard part to understand a "What if scenario"?

It is a rumor? Yes, it is. But the silence of Sony about that concerns me. I Still have my Super Nintendo (SNES) fully working (30 years after it's release) along side with some of my games that use the same type of battery. Have lost some saves, but the games are fully working. And I play these games from time to time, My PS1 and PS2 too. I really what to know if my games on PS4 and PS5 (if some day i buy that) will works independently of Sony's servers.

Sony's been silent about pretty much all the rumors.
And all the rumors been proven wrong.

Do you even play your SNES?
These fake concern are getting boring.
The PS5 will most likely stop working before the battery dies.
And by then everyone will be flocking to the PS6.

We all know eventually all game services will be similar to Netflix in the next 20 years, so I don't get the reason for this thread.

 

[Captain Toad]

I love how people try to justified a bad news for PlayStation... When you can't play Xbox games on XSX/One without internet connexion.

You can on PlayStation too. If the battery that lasts 20-30 years is still alive.

 

[Zog]

Do you even play your SNES?

Yes!

 

[Loxus]

I mean whatever server is used for authentication. Let me ask you something, why do you think Sony designed it NOT TO PLAY physical games if the authentication server can't be reached after changing the CMOS battery?

What are you even talking about?
If the was the case, why did they make it that the battery can be changed?

And there are people that buy consoles that don't have access to internet and for years I never heard of any authentication issue with physical games.
And if your buying digital it means you have internet access and it shouldn't be an issue either, as you can just update everything.

 

[Loxus]

Yes!

I think you should know,
I didn't ask you that question.

 

[Zog]

What are you even talking about?

It won't play physical games either if you change the CMOS battery and can't reach the authentication server. Still ok with it?

 

[Outrunner]

All you fanboys here defending this terrible practice should be ashamed of yourselves. A corporation doesn't love you and no amount of taking it up the ass for your favorite toy will make them love you. You bought a game, you have every right to play it whenever you want. A flaw in design of the console should be fixed, not defended.

 

[Outrunner]

I mean whatever server is used for authentication. Let me ask you something, why do you think Sony designed it NOT TO PLAY physical games if the authentication server can't be reached after changing the CMOS battery?

To avoid cheating with the Trophies

 

[Zog]

To avoid cheating with the Trophies

Do you think Trophy integrity is worth bricking a console?

 

[Loxus]

It won't play physical games either if you change the CMOS battery and can't reach the authentication server. Still ok with it?

So let me ask you this,
If you take your PS5 to get the battery changed,
Is it hard to also get the time fucking updated?

Fake concerns everywhere.

 

[MasterCornholio]

When life comes at you fast LOOOOL

Derift I think others might want to see this here incase it affects them.

Is it the same issue on Xbox or is there a difference? I'm still a little confused by this.

 

[Mabdia]

Sony's been silent about pretty much all the rumors.
And all the rumors been proven wrong.

Do you even play your SNES?
These fake concern are getting boring.
The PS5 will most likely stop working before the battery dies.
And by then everyone will be flocking to the PS6.

We all know eventually all game services will be similar to Netflix in the next 20 years, so I don't get the reason for this thread.

Yes, I do play my Super Nintendo.

One of my GOAT is a Super Nintendo game (Chrono Trigger), also I have a Copy of Mega Man and Forte and that is the only non portable machine where I can play it hooked on my TV. Also, to me, the best version of Final Fantasy VIII is the one on PSX.


And even if that were not the case, I've invested my money on my consoles, and as I just don't have a Money Tree, I really want that my consoles lives as much as possible. If it have a hardware failure, i'll try to fix it. Is there a problem about it?

Oh! The thing about game services is just another reason that I really care about if my consoles will work 20 years in the future. I'll not be one of the guys who pays for something that I'll not own.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

So which concerned citizen is going to make the xbox cbomb thread lol

 

[Zog]

So let me ask you this,
If you take your PS5 to get the battery changed,
Is it hard to also get the time fucking updated?

Fake concerns everywhere.

It has to be updated by the authentication server.

So are you ok with it being designed to not even play physical games if you change the CMOS battery and can't reach the authentication server.

 

[Loxus]

Yes, I do play my Super Nintendo.

One of my GOAT is a Super Nintendo game (Chrono Trigger), also I have a Copy of Mega Man and Forte and that is the only non portable machine where I can play it hooked on my TV. Also, to me, the best version of Final Fantasy VIII is the one on PSX.


And even if that were not the case, I've invested my money on my consoles, and as I just don't have a Money Tree, I really want that my consoles lives as much as possible. If it have a hardware failure, i'll try to fix it. Is there a problem about it?

So what's the issue with just getting the battery changed and updating the time?
It's like getting your console fixed after all.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Derift I think others might want to see this here incase it affects them.

Is it the same issue on Xbox or is there a difference? I'm still a little confused by this.

So xbox is even worse.

 

[Loxus]

It has to be updated by the authentication server.

So are you ok with it being designed to not even play physical games if you change the CMOS battery and can't reach the authentication server.

And you really think the authentication server is going to get closed one day?
The same server that is tied to PS+ games, that is also tied to PSN.
Yea sure bud.

 

[Zog]

And you really think the authentication server is going to get closed one day?
The same server that is tied to PS+ games, that is also tied to PSN.
Yea sure bud.

You are all over the place and it seems like you are only learning the facts as you go. You also won't answer this question (third time):

So are you ok with it being designed to not even play physical games if you change the CMOS battery and can't reach the authentication server.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

You are all over the place and it seems like you are only learning the facts as you go. You also won't answer this question (third time):

So are you ok with it being designed to not even play physical games if you change the CMOS battery and can't reach the authentication server.

I'll be rotting in a grave before that ever becomes an issue so ya Idgaf either lol

 

[Mabdia]

So what's the issue with just getting the battery changed and updating the time?
It's like getting your console fixed after all.

Ok. That's seems reasonable.

But if for any reason I can't have access to internet Or when Sony Close the servers (and someday they will do that to PSP, PSV, PS3, PS4 and PS5).? I'll have a paperweight and I should be happy with it?

 

[Bo_Hazem]

So which concerned citizen is going to make the xbox cbomb thread lol

We can just change the title as most of them are here, they seem more concerned than Sony fans.

 

[Loxus]

You are all over the place and it seems like you are only learning the facts as you go. You also won't answer this question (third time):

So are you ok with it being designed to not even play physical games if you change the CMOS battery and can't reach the authentication server.

Ok. That's seems reasonable.

But if for any reason I can't have access to internet? I'll have a paperweight and I should be happy with it?

I give up.

 

[Zog]

I give up.

You should, atleast until you get all the facts.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

I give up.

You can't handle it, really. You need a rubber-based neck to overcome the intense spin they're capable of.

 

[Loxus]

You should, atleast until you get all the facts.

I give up because reasoning with you is like talking to a sheep.

 

[Zog]

I give up because reasoning with you is like talking to a sheep.

You still never answered my question and I have to wonder why.

Sony designed it to not even play physical games if you change the CMOS battery and can't reach the authentication server. How is anyone ok with that?

You seem to believe that Sony would never shut down servers even as Sony is shutting down stores. Next step is for them to shut down access to the download servers in a few years like Nintendo did with the Wii.

 

[Mabdia]

I give up because reasoning with you is like talking to a sheep.

Think about it. While US residents pay only U$500 for PS5, where I live it cost U$834 and it when Sony sell's to us. Americans complains about scalpers. Scalpers where I live, sell's a PS5 around U$1587 USD.

Being a sheep is accept a bad thing that might hurts you in the future, it does not metter if in one year or 20 years in the future.

 

[dano1]

No shit Sherlock!!
How else is the system going to remember they are your games unless your online?????
Replace the battery and move on with your life!!

 

[Zog]

No shit Sherlock!!
How else is the system going to remember they are your games unless your online?????
Replace the battery and move on with your life!!

Another person without all the facts.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Think about it. While US residents pay only U$500 for PS5, where I live it cost U$834 and it when Sony sell's to us. Americans complains about scalpers. Scalpers where I live, sell's a PS5 around U$1587 USD.

Being a sheep is accept a bad thing that might hurts you in the future, it does not metter if in one year or 20 years in the future.

Okay when you feel the urge to find and play on your dusty ass PS3 when you're old and crippled, and MAYBE Sony has completely removed online connectivity

Just jailbreak the damn thing

 

[ManaByte]

I love how people try to justified a bad news for PlayStation... When you can't play Xbox games on XSX/One without internet connexion.

If you set your Xbox as your home console you can be entirely offline and play games.

 

[Zog]

Okay when you feel the urge to find and play on your dusty ass PS3 when you're old and crippled, and MAYBE Sony has completely removed online connectivity

Just jailbreak the damn thing

Don't need to jailbreak the PS2 or earlier to play it today. Shouldn't need to jailbreak the PS3 or later to play it in a decade either.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Don't need to jailbreak the PS2 or earlier to play it today. Shouldn't need to jailbreak the PS3 or later to play it in a decade either.

We didn't have online requirements for games back then either

Times change. Deal with it and move on

 

[dano1]

Another person without all the facts.

Oh really. Please explain then! Seems kind of what I said


Over the past several months an extremely concerning report regarding Sony's PlayStation 3 and PlayStation 4 hardware was shared online. The report alleged that a certain hardware component, a CMOS battery, could disable the PS3 and PS4's ability to play all games offline if the battery died. Now the same test has reportedly been applied to the PlayStation 5, claiming that should the CMOS battery fail the console will be rendered inoperable without an internet connection, bringing into question the PS5's lifespan.

A CMOS battery is a key component in certain hardware. It allows a system to retain key information, specifically time passing, even when a system is powered off. CMOS batteries, like all batteries, don't last forever. Their typical lifespan is anywhere between five and 10 years, or longer in certain circumstances. PlayStation hardware, including the PS3, the PS4, and reportedly the PS5, uses CMOS batteries for this purpose. As such, they're all vulnerable to CMOS batteries going bad and the consequences of that.

 

[Markio128]

As a PS5 owner, should I be deeply concerned about this new revelation, or is NeoGaf making another mountain out of a molehill? It's difficult to tell nowadays, so please excuse my suspicion.

 

[Zog]

We didn't have online requirements for games back then either

Times change. Deal with it and move on

Why would there be online requirements for physical games?