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IGN Posts Up More Project Cafe Hardware Power Rumors
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nincompoop
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I lol'dBMF said:
AceBandage
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BMF said:
I said more exploration and a better story...
I loved Darksiders, but it really only shined in the dungeons and item usage.
krypt0nian
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Tricky I Shadow said:
I'm willing to come back to the fold if they actually take this machine seriously. Gamecube is still my baby. *hugs*
AceBandage
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Ichor said:
In the sense that any good NES game is, yes.
shadyspace
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Ichor said:
Both of them are on Virtual Console fyi. Thinking about picking them up myself.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
I played it last year. I had fun! But as the dude above said... it's a NES game so it depends on your appreciation of that level of gaming.Ichor said:
Seraphinianus
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anyone else rent Star Tropics 1 and not have the code that came with the manual? Pretty sure I was stumped for an entire day before I finally said "fudge it" (i was like, 8) and made the long distance call to Nintendo, which I probably got in trouble for.
I remember submerging the manual in water, thinking the code would appear on a page lol
I remember submerging the manual in water, thinking the code would appear on a page lol
Technosteve
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does this mean the WiiHD will be flooded with PC ports?
AlexMeloche
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Technosteve said:
Better than PS2 shovelware ports.
Technosteve said:
Nah. PS360 ports and shovelware. Ubisoft is complicit in this. And don't attack the PS2 or I kill you. Attack the PS3, insult it all you want, because I couldn't give a flying fuck about the PS3. But not the PS2. That's just off limits, dude. I don't know how Sony went from making the greatest console of all time to the worst this side of the galaxy, but Sony has its ups and downs.
bgassassin
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I've enjoyed the last few pages since I haven't kept close watch of PC tech since at least a year before Intel announced their tick-tock strategy. Nice little crash course to fill in some of the gaps I've gotten over the last few years.
I'll give IGN credit for consistency. They seem to be the ones that have been saying significantly more powerful than PS360.
It makes me wonder based on what IGN did in this video if the other places (from their sources) that have said it's only a slight increase over the other two consoles performed a similar test or went based off of how things looked on early dev kits, while not acknowledging how that level of technology would perform on a closed system.
Hero of Legend said:
I'll give IGN credit for consistency. They seem to be the ones that have been saying significantly more powerful than PS360.
It makes me wonder based on what IGN did in this video if the other places (from their sources) that have said it's only a slight increase over the other two consoles performed a similar test or went based off of how things looked on early dev kits, while not acknowledging how that level of technology would perform on a closed system.
I know I'm late but bear with me:
If we have anything game play wise to compare it to, it's like a top down Zelda II with a linear chapter based progression. Each chapter is broken up into an over world part on different islands/scenarios where you talk with NPCs and just get to know the area better then an action segment which takes place in caves and usually has you doing heavy terrain based puzzle platforming and combat. It's wrapped in a pretty quirky but fun story revolving around the hero's uncle, a famous archaeologist usually finding himself in situations with the unexplained/paranormal while on the job, the hero, Mike Jones, a teenage high school athlete some alien royalty who happen to like the tropics and an interstellar grudge between them and the main antagonist in the series (thus far).
AceBandage said:
If we have anything game play wise to compare it to, it's like a top down Zelda II with a linear chapter based progression. Each chapter is broken up into an over world part on different islands/scenarios where you talk with NPCs and just get to know the area better then an action segment which takes place in caves and usually has you doing heavy terrain based puzzle platforming and combat. It's wrapped in a pretty quirky but fun story revolving around the hero's uncle, a famous archaeologist usually finding himself in situations with the unexplained/paranormal while on the job, the hero, Mike Jones, a teenage high school athlete some alien royalty who happen to like the tropics and an interstellar grudge between them and the main antagonist in the series (thus far).
AceBandage said:
sure it can. just not in the same state as on the PC.
you don't need as much VRAM, you don't need all the texture shaders because you don't need the fillrate to drive 3x2560 monitors.
work out the fillrate you need for a 1080p screen, put some edram on there which will give you a massive fillrate boost, then you can probably cut the size/power requirements right down, and still give you 580 level performance. Even more so if you only want '580 like' on a console, as I would guess you'd get at least double what current PCs give you from the same hardware due to the closed architecture. So you could probably exceed 580 PC performance with a smaller GPU than an actual 580 using less power.
Buckethead
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Reading through the thread...
Even if F-Zero is a launch title maybe 10% of people will care.
Make a Mario Kart game with the speed of GX and the depth of Smash Bros. Melee and I will plop down whatever ungodly number of dollars Nintendo wants.
Even if F-Zero is a launch title maybe 10% of people will care.
Make a Mario Kart game with the speed of GX and the depth of Smash Bros. Melee and I will plop down whatever ungodly number of dollars Nintendo wants.
herzogzwei1989
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Boney said:
I'd like to know too. I'll never get to use Dolphin on my PC. I'd love to be able to play Twilight Princess in 1080p.
Freshmaker
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Terrible fighting drags that one down.BMF said:
Boney said:
Out of the box? I'd say 0.1%.
Nintendo is going to release HD versions of their classic GC/Wii games. Think "New play control" except it's just rendered in 1080p and the HUD is updated (instead of the stretched crap we see on Dolphin screenshots).
If they add controller screen functionality, that would be going above and beyond imo. Can't see Nintendo doing that...
Vanillalite
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Buckethead said:
Shit more like Mario Kart that keeps 60fps in split screen. Now THAT would be dope. I hate having 60 fps on the Wii for online mp, and then going to play either 2 player split screen online or 2-4 player mp offline, and having the fps cut in half. :/
They wouldn't do that, as Wii 2 will be backwards compatible and they only do remakes when they can add something to them (gameplay changes), other than just better graphics / resolution.Anth0ny said:
However, there could be remakes if it includes some new features of the Wii 2, ie. the streaming controller.
Anyway, they might also do upscaling over the hardware, if not right away, maybe over a console patch later on.
brochiller
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Boney said:
Upscaling is what upscaling DVD players do. It doesn't really improve the image quality all that much, it just outputs it in 1080p. Rendering it at higher resolutions is what Dolphin does.
Grampa Simpson
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Agreed. I only posted it as a joke because it kind of fit. My other alternative was Neutopia.Freshmaker said:
radioheadrule83
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Boney said:
The Dolphin emulator interjects in the rendering process and makes games internally render at higher resolutions, even with things like AA applied etc... where textures on the disc are higher resolution than Wii can really display, it even manages to take advantage of that and make them lovely and crisp. It looks really good! Unless Nintendo have taken a good look at what Dolphin does and use their intimate and unique knowledge of the Wii hardware to make an emulator that does this just as well - we're not going to get this on Cafe.
Upscaling merely increases the resolution (stretching it) and tries to hide the nasty effects.. sort of the way modern DVD players and Blu-Ray players try to upscale DVDs for HD sets.
I would have thought that the system would be capable of emulating Wii and rendering at a higher resolution though. You need a real meaty PC to run Dolphin well, but with components (CPU/GPU) capable of understanding Wii instructions (for backwards compatability) - there is surely less to directly emulate in software.
Grampa Simpson
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As long as it's powerpc, it should be fairly doable. Especially if it's multicore - use one core toradioheadrule83 said:
herzogzwei1989
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radioheadrule83 said:
Wow, cool, thanks, was totally unware that Dolphin did this.
Seraphinianus
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Boney said:
think of a ballon--
regular, not blown up balloon - native resolution
blowing into it makes it look all crisp and shiny when it's large. you've used "air" as an extra source of energy to make it look nice when it's stretched to that size - that's rendering, using extra processor power (air)
stretching it out without blowing air into it maybe makes it the same size as the blown up one, but it's not pretty because your forcing it into a shape, rather than using air to properly make it that large - that's upscaling, a more "brute force" way without really using much more resources to get it there
it's kind of tough to explain, but I think that analogy works
herzogzwei1989
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We're now about 3 weeks out from E3 ^__^
brochiller
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Nessus said:
The PS3 was only a generational leap above the PS2 though. The Cafe will really be a two generational leap above the GC/Wii since they both had about the same amount of power in them.
herzogzwei1989
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brochiller said:
True, pretty much.
BocoDragon
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Basically, don't expect the games to look better, like they do in Dolphin emulator threads.Boney said:
It could happen, but it's unlikely.
ryūkotsusei
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Buckethead said:
Looking back, F-Zero is most successful when launched with a system.
FullMetal said:
Basically, they should just pull a Super Nintendo. With the original F-Zero, Nintendo was trying to get the "ZOMGZ SO FAST LOOK AT TEH MODE 7" message out there. With Cafe, a new F-Zero with a "ZOMGZ SO FAST LOOK AT TEH 1080P 60FPS" message could really work wonders I think.
AlphaTwo00
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Racing games tend to do that. They're best when done as a technical showcase for the system. Ridge Racer has built it's last 10 years on that development principle.FullMetal said:
brochiller
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Oblivion said:
That was because they were running PC games on that hardware with the bloated Windows OS. In a closed system with little OS overhead and the games being optimized for the hardware, there would be significant improvements.
ryūkotsusei
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AlphaTwo00 said:
Yeah, and its the easiest way for another million-seller installment. Unless the franchise really is dead. o.0
Net_Wrecker
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Oblivion said:
PC is not a console that will have much more optimization, won't be running Windows, and will have games optimized for a closed system specifically for the hardware.