ehh but Diana is a warrior who knows how to kill someone far more efficiently than Superman does. Why do you think Zod thrashed superman in a fight even though Superman is stronger.
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ehh but Diana is a warrior who knows how to kill someone far more efficiently than Superman does. Why do you think Zod thrashed superman in a fight even though Superman is stronger.
Poodlestrike
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Do they even have his rights these days?
All of the dudes from that imprint are in sort of a weird legal space, AFAIK
karasu
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Superman's heat vision can kill far more efficiently than any of her greek kung fu. I know they make her slicker in combat, flashier. But that's not really an advantage. Sometimes raw power will just fuck everything. The guy can cause hurricanes with his breathing. I don't think a kick in the throat is going to be his downfall.
Ragnorok64
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Has Superman kept his martial arts training and hundreds(?) of years of alternate timeline fighting experience in the new 52? Or did they decide to not heap even more perfect abilities onto the Boring Pie that is Superman?
flaxknuckles
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I love how people can't stand Superman winning matchups so they say he's OP, when there's a zillion other DC and Marvel peeps who would have his head on a platter barely trying who don't get that word thrown at them.
There are currently two of them in the nu52.
One of them is overpowered as fuck and is pretty much what you describe as he is the pre-nu52 Superman.
The other is more sane. Currently in the middle of a spat with Vandal Savage.
And Superman is pretty cool, but like Batman, he sorts of does not really work quite right in shared worlds.
Most of these are either villains or have very pronounced flaws. Or are not popular enough to be trotted out nearly as often.
Not that I am saying that Superman does not have any, I just think your critique is not entirely fair.
Ragnorok64
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Superman has so many freakin abilities already, making him an expert hand to hand combatant is Super Unnecessary.
Ragnorok64
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So pre-New 52 Superman is over powered compared to current Superman, and Pre-Crisis Superman was over powered compared to pre0New 52 Superman.
At least they seem to be taking his power level in the right direction. I wonder how powerful this one will get before the next big reset.
karasu
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Its something that would naturally come with experience. A lot of his villains were hand to hand experts.
His heat vision is child's play to omega beams which she did block. Plus her god killing sword is more than enough to cleave him.
woah, i defended the hell out of superman in that Goku thread where everyone was calling him boring That's my guy. But Diana has been proving herself a whole lot in this reboot.
It is the difference between competence and mastery.
I.E. the difference between Green Arrow and Black Canary.
I dislike Superman for the same reasons, but admittedly I don't really know much of the character as I never really read DC comics as opposed to Marvel.
For me, my dislike comes from all the utilities his different abilities have, frozen breath, eye beams, x-ray, incredible powerful super strength, resistance, apparently some versions of Superman are also supposed to be a genius too. If your version of Superman has all these abilities, how do you deal with that? I felt like (and I may be very likely wrong, as I said, I don't read DC comics) That the kryptonite weakness was invented because when they thought of the character they couldn't think of a credible way he would lose in a fight, so a tangible weakness had to be invented for him. Also I guess on top of that, he is (once again, from the material I have seem him) too much of a "boyscout" so that just makes him boring for me.
Then again I have been told Superman isn't really all that much about him being super strong, but just more about the character knowing he is from another world and living with how people react to him.
As for why people complain more about him than other heroes who are as, or even more broken, in terms of abilities. I guess is because Superman is pretty much the face of DC so MORE people know about him as opposed to some more obscure comic characters like Fantomex.
For me, my dislike comes from all the utilities his different abilities have, frozen breath, eye beams, x-ray, incredible powerful super strength, resistance, apparently some versions of Superman are also supposed to be a genius too. If your version of Superman has all these abilities, how do you deal with that? I felt like (and I may be very likely wrong, as I said, I don't read DC comics) That the kryptonite weakness was invented because when they thought of the character they couldn't think of a credible way he would lose in a fight, so a tangible weakness had to be invented for him. Also I guess on top of that, he is (once again, from the material I have seem him) too much of a "boyscout" so that just makes him boring for me.
Then again I have been told Superman isn't really all that much about him being super strong, but just more about the character knowing he is from another world and living with how people react to him.
As for why people complain more about him than other heroes who are as, or even more broken, in terms of abilities. I guess is because Superman is pretty much the face of DC so MORE people know about him as opposed to some more obscure comic characters like Fantomex.
karasu
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I disagree. I think they've just mastered different styles of combat. Diana's is more traditional and what you'd expect from a warrior culture. Hand to hand, polearms etc. Superman's is the totality of his natural powers. He's taken disparate abilities and turned them into a cohesive whole. Stuff like taking his heat vision to gamma level or pinpointing a single voice a couple of cities away. He is a master of his abilities.
He's way more complex than that you definitely have to give him a chance. The whole boyscout thing is about as dated as saying aquaman can only talk to fish.
You know, I REALLY like Raven's design in this.
Probably one of her best in quite some time.
Cyborg's is ass though. Wish they'd used his proposed Young Justice or current design.
Agreed. Clark himself can actually be very interesting. The Truth arc as well as American Alien have had me fall in love with the character all over again.
Probably one of her best in quite some time.
Cyborg's is ass though. Wish they'd used his proposed Young Justice or current design.
Agreed. Clark himself can actually be very interesting. The Truth arc as well as American Alien have had me fall in love with the character all over again.
Yeah why not use his sleeker design he looks like a tiny big O
Poodlestrike
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High five. I've always had a soft spot for the big blue boyscout (tho Bats fo lyfe), but Truth (and the entire post-solar-flare Superman stuff) has really made me appreciate him.
And American Alien is fantastic.
Teen Titans Boom amirite?
Honestly though, those designs look awful, with the exception of a few.
Cyborg, Starfire, and Robin look arguably the worst I've ever seen them.
Raven I actually kinda dig.
But more so than ever, I think this is because the design feels like "settling" between two established and different styles.
Honestly though, those designs look awful, with the exception of a few.
Cyborg, Starfire, and Robin look arguably the worst I've ever seen them.
Raven I actually kinda dig.
But more so than ever, I think this is because the design feels like "settling" between two established and different styles.
This is Neogaf so opinion disclaimer is needed or some shit
Turbowaffles
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Why does my dude Beast Boy constantly get shat on? He should be older and shape shifting into Supes or Martian Manhunter and WRECKING shit.
And banging Raven.
And banging Raven.
Maybe my memory is off, but I remember he was heavily nerfed not long before 52, and 52 gave him some of his power levels back?
Nightwing is not wearing a scarf
He is a pretty mid grade red user and can only transform into low intelligence lifeforms. Plus he can never seem to escape the grasp of puberty.
The one he's talking about is Post crisis, Super powerful, older and way more experienced supes.
BKatastrophe
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My favorite thing that seems to occur more often than not:
"I hate Superman. He's so overpowered. He has so many powers and is ridiculously strong."
"Oh really? Who do you like?"
"Martian Manhunter's my favorite character."
Lol I hope no one really said that to you, and if they did i hope you printed him a list of Martian Manhunter's powers out.
Damn it Bk Change your Avi Back too i can't keep up with you guys!
Also you know damn well that Diablo and Slipknot aren't going to see the end of that movie.
Turbowaffles
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He doesn't HAVE to be a mid grade Red user, though. :/
Why don't they give him his due?
Razgriz-Specter
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This will be the 4th time he has that exact same design.
And don't see much issue when this is what he looks like in the comics
I believe Kryptonite was at least partially invented so that Superman's radio voice actor had an excuse for vacations/being sick.
He never really gets to grow up lol and his power has limits the best I think he'll do is turn into alien animals he'll never be on animal man's level because his power and the red won't allow it. His next logical step is to learn martial arts and add some tech to his skill set, but since he's a kid he'll never get to do that.
BKatastrophe
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EL DIABLO QUE RECIBE SU REDEMPTION
Not when he wears a letterman jacket in a high profile movie
BKatastrophe
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Not in that trash ass suit though.
He's OK in the comics he's cast to die in the movie
It's decent batwing will always be better
Agreed, don't get the hate for son of bat.
Actually, kryptonite was invented because the actor who played Superman on the old radio show got sick and they needed to explain away the show going on hiatus. :3
Being fair to BB though, no Red user can be on Animal Man's level. Buddy is the Red's equivalent to Swamp Thing, after all. Not to mention being the next Bridgewalker.
BKatastrophe
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Is BB better than Vixen, though?
foxuzamaki
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Oh hell yea, they knew exactly what they're doing with those designs
#1 defender
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Yeah, i really like his work, i hope we won't lose him completely to live action anytime soon. I remember an audio commentary with him in which he talked about working on Man of Steel. Zack Snyder had some ideas for action beats and Oliva was like, yeeaaah, we've already done that on one of the animated features.
As for him directing JL vs. TT, i don't know. On one hand, these features are normally finished way in advance (going by the last few years it'll release late april/early may, so it's probably long done), therefore he could have been working on it last year, on the other hand he has his fingers in so many animated and live action pies, he can't do everything. I wish he could, since they currently don't seem to have anyone new ready to step up. Anyway, it wouldn't be the first time that they released two features directed by him back to back. I just hope it isn't Ethan Spaulding. Despite his A:TLA credentials, i wasn't a huge fan of his work in this line so far, though to be fair, it wasn't all his fault either.
The mimic-only vixen or the mimic+morph vixen haha.
BB can adopt the dimensions of the actual animals, which can come in handy in some situations (e.g. weight of actual whale).
Mimic Morph Vixen is where it is at
Nah her animal spirits are amped up and she gets more use from bugs.
Huh, the more you know.
Very true. Though they didn't carry it all the way like I feel like Grant Morrison probably wanted to. If you look at those early New 52 Action Comics stories, it sure looks like Grant wanted to give Superman his Batman: Year One and rewind the character back to what really made him stand out and be popular in the first place.
Which in Superman's case would transform him into a socialist with superpowers: a dude who deeply and completely cares about other people, is pissed off at how they're being abused and just isn't going to stand for it anymore. Bernie Sanders with super strength.
Do y'all know what Superman's slogan was before executives decided he'd be co-opted into a McCarthy Era symbol of American Exceptionalism?
They called him Superman, Champion of the Oppressed. He spent as much time sticking it to the 1% and other users and abusers as he did fighting gangsters and Nazis.
I mean, they're kinda hitting that with stuff like this:
But aliens showed up like just a few pages after that happened in the comics, so they clearly still have to learn to show a wee bit of restraint if they want to do anything compelling or fascinating with the character.
DonasaurusRex
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Yeah but Wonder Woman has been re worked to be an amalgamation of Captain Marvel and her original Amazon roots. Original and O'neil Wonder Woman that was stripped of Captain Marvels powers would get wasted by Superman with no effort. Only one that stands a chance against Supes is the Flash and Capt Atom . Green Lanterns should be on there as well but they have the worst trainning in all of comics.
Yeah but i'm so tired of depowered supes it's not funny. That arc with Ulysses was really good and got down to some of the high end issues he has. He almost always can win in a fist fight with the Villain but at what cost would it take for him to get there.
I really hope animal man gets another book. I used to think he was lame but he's actually had some deep story lines.
Poodlestrike
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That was such an amazing moment, but you're right, they needed to commit to it. It feels a little hollow now.
Still a damn solid arc.
There is a new Sneak Peek that was released.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylEFdQZf-hA
From the sounds of this it looks like Cyborg might be pulling double duty by the end of this and possibly in future films. Still with the JL but maybe hanging out with the Titans since they're closer to his age and identifies with them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylEFdQZf-hA
From the sounds of this it looks like Cyborg might be pulling double duty by the end of this and possibly in future films. Still with the JL but maybe hanging out with the Titans since they're closer to his age and identifies with them.
Surprised but happy with the focus on Raven. I'm glad it's not just "Oh they're mind controlled... now fight."
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