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Mibu no ookami
Banned
That's because you don't realize that Sony is willing to have reduced software sales on PC for stronger hardware sales for PlayStation.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
No it won't. My fave modern anime ATM isn't even made by Kadokawa, but Madhouse.
You guys act like Sony'll force them to make all their anime Concord episodes or something. It's needless pessimism.
Did you start gaming this year or something?
Deal hasn't even been officially announced yet and already so many meltdowns.
Just the typical "monopoly = bad" rhetoric without even understanding there can be legal & illegal monopolies, or that how most legal monopolies are because the market chose one offering well over others in a fair competitive market place.
Or even understanding what a monopoly is. Sony buying Kadokawa won't make them a monopoly in anime and manga, not when some of the biggest studios & distributors are owned by other companies. Also Kadokawa doesn't generate even 33% of total anime & manga revenue in Japan or globally; Sony buying them wouldn't increase it to that amount and technically a monopoly requires 51% or more of total market share.
So basically, it's fearmongering.
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Sony Corp = Japan headquarters
SIE = California headquarters
Sony Corp are the ones offering to buy Kadokawa. The ones whose headquarters are in Japan.
No one is offering to buy From Software; Sony Corp are offering to buy Kadokawa, the parent company of From Software.
Even if From Software are managed under SIE in some way (like for publishing), I don't see how "woke California politics" have affected GT7 or Astrobot...
...you know, two SIE games from Japanese studios?
...Some of these posts are making me think I'm on ResetERA, and I've only read the first page!!
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Tiago Rodrigues
Member
There's also something else: Ubisoft, MS and EA don't care about acquiring Kadokawa because they only care about FromSoftware while Sony is one of the few companies WW where they have business in every single thing Kadokawa also has. That's why it's a "perfect match" for an acquisition (at least from a business point of view).
begotten
Member
They don't have to do that with every IP. They have Bloodborne and new IP to drive hardware.
I imagine Elden Ring 2 is in developent even though we just got SOTE. Not everyone likes returning to games for DLC & expansions but they do for sequels. Base game sold 25M+, there's no way it's not happening and I'm sure even Sony would be happy to keep that as the exception.
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Mibu no ookami
Banned
That's just hopium. That's not in line with Sony's MO at all.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Chromehounds 2 confirmed?
Fake
Member
Is not. The company that make the game is not owned by Sony. Is a third party doing exclusive deal.
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Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Is Sony a game deveopment studio? No.
Sony or SIE in this case funds and publishes games. Stellar Blade is fully funded and published by Sony, just like they funded and published Spider-Man 2, God of War, Ghost of Tsushima, Resistance, Infamous, etc.
Fake
Member
Is not ND, is not Sucker Punch, is not Santa Monica.
Sony paid for a deal. The end.
30 is overshooting lol, gaming boomed post 2010. 360/Wii/DS was only a beginning shift towards the mainstream.
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rm082e
Member
Honest question: Do you have some evidence to back up this statement? Following the history of this game's development, they were working on the game well before Sony stepped in. What makes you think Sony went back and funded the development work that was done before they became the publisher?
mayham2199
Member
Yea but Kadokawa is a Japanese company if they are genuinely looking to sell they are going to sell to Sony.
Saber
Member
I have only one question about this.
According to the very receptive and friendly Dark Souls fextralife wiki community, yes and theres no room to debate(hence why the discussion page is closed).
mayham2199
Member
I really don't get why people suddenly think all of a sudden Sony is going to stop doing what they've been doing and that's locking games down to their platform and then PC later. The logic about software sales could be applied to all of their top titles and yet nothing has stopped them from locking those down also.
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
The market isn't making any decisions here, Sony just came up to one of the biggest names in gaming/Anime and said "can we buy you?"
And if you're gonna say "well they wanted to sell anyways" bethesda also wanted to sell and look at the deep shit they're in now....
ReBurn
Gold Member
Sharks hoping to cash in on goodwill from a buyout. I guess that's how it goes.
midnightAI
Banned
I honestly don't think anything would change other than it having a Playstation Studios logo at the beginning. I can't see Sony interfering at all and I don't think they'd even use a different engine (unless their current engine becomes unfit for purpose like what is happening with 343). They would have more support if needed, potentially much more matketing and they would get hardware earlier than if they are third party, but other than that I think Sony would mostly leave them to it.
Heimdall_Xtreme
Hermen Hulst Fanclub's #1 Member
Imagine that the great cultural legacy that is Japan is in the hands of a stupid man like Hermen Hulst.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
The level of ignorance is astounding...
Bungie's problems were due to Pete Parsons and their BOD screwing employees over for years and screwing up the money, buying a bunch of fancy cars and all that shit. Bungie employees wanted SIE to assume control and push out Parson & the BOD. So the problems with Destiny DLC, Marathon dev, the firings...that's down to Parsons & his BOD.
Concord is the only thing that can be pinned on SIE; they inherited an unappealing game but it was Hulst who bet big on it. Even if there were people in SIE who didn't want the studio or the game, they were probably ignored. But Concord's failure has been so monumental, it'll be Hulst's humbling moment. Totoki & Yoshida aren't going to let them interfere with From Software if he's already let Polyphony Digital & Team Asobi do their thing, and I strongly doubt Hulst wants to have another Concord on his watch.
Which is why they're probably making changes to Fairgame$ and skimming back on some of the other GAAS; they know the wild gambit wasn't a great bet.
But none of that chances the fact, that Kadokawa are in the market to sell. They want someone to buy them so, if you're so against it being Sony, what company would've been your choice and why?
Polyphony Digital seem to be doing great.
Team Asobi just released one of the (maybe the?) highest-rated games of the year. Seem to be doing great.
Doesn't seem like Hulst is screwing either of those up, and they're both Japanese studios. So why would it suddenly be different with From Software?
Oh, it wouldn't be. You guys are just fearmongering with FUD. Typical.
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balls of snow
Member
There is no way this is happening. Too mind shattering if From becomes part of the Sony family. No way.
mansoor1980
Member
tmlDan
Member
how? more content on crunchyroll is a good thing for me.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
midnightAI
Banned
Please, tell me more about Ghost of Tsushima 2
(I'm being serious, if you have more details about the story I'd like to hear it, all I have to go on is a trailer and some dev snippets)
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Mibu no ookami
Banned
It's pure hopium.
Ghost of Yotei would sell VERY well on PC day 1... Sony could not get a single fuck.
rm082e
Member
Folks, please dial back the culture war drive by bait. It's getting tiring seeing this in almost every single thread on here.
Here's this thread for the pros and cons to your heart's content:
Poll - Analysis - Hypothetical pros and cons of Sony potentially acquiring Fromsoftware (indirectly/by proxy/parent company, etc.). Would you want it to happen?
I *really* don't want it to happen Plausible pros: 1. Increased technical performance support for future FROM games 2. Increased (and consistent) funding for development, marketing, etc 3. Operational stability means any potential experimental games would more likely be approved 4. Creative...
midnightAI
Banned
Actually, that is a worry, what if some big TV/media production company swoops in to buys them with an offer they can't refuse and decides they don't want any game studios so closes them down?
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Saber
Member
Folks, please dial back the culture war drive by bait. It's getting tiring seeing this in almost every single thread on here.
Here's this thread for the pros and cons to your heart's content:
Poll - Analysis - Hypothetical pros and cons of Sony potentially acquiring Fromsoftware (indirectly/by proxy/parent company, etc.). Would you want it to happen?
I *really* don't want it to happen Plausible pros: 1. Increased technical performance support for future FROM games 2. Increased (and consistent) funding for development, marketing, etc 3. Operational stability means any potential experimental games would more likely be approved 4. Creative...www.neogaf.com
Thanks, though I'm honestly more worried about the console war.
GHG
Member
Hulst has nothing to do with the anime/manga side of the business.
What are you even on about?
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
But it's Sony not Playstation looking to buy them, right?
Mephisto40
Member
I'm a bit confused as to why people seem to think this is somehow going to ruin FromSoftware, when almost every first party game Sony roll out is great
midnightAI
Banned
Oh,they really are, if it wasn't so sad it would be funny... Hah, who am I kidding, it's hilarious, and this is all before any confirmation of it actually happening (I know the bids are going in and there is certainly an interest)
Not to mention Bloodborne and DeS. If Kadokawa wants to sell there is no better owner than Sony if you want From to continue as they are. Who else can better integrate From into their business?
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midnightAI
Banned
Loomy
Banned
Phil is writing the email right now!
Yeah, SIE wouldn't purchase a multimedia company. Sony wouldn't buy a company and tell SIE "you can't touch them". They will buy them and assign responsibility of the various departments wherever they make sense. Games will go to SIE, manga/anime to aniplex, film to Sony Pictures, etc.
If that's what you believe you should read/watch things outside of mainstream Shonen. Your mind would apparently melt lol.
nial
Member
That's not how game development works at all...
You guys need to understand that Sony isn't Insomniac either. They're a publisher first and foremost, why would they ""push DEI"", if they supposedly do, only through their internal studios?
Heck yeah.
Cool, the "gaming used to be niche because girls in my class didn't have a SNES" crowd is now here.
rm082e
Member
Then Sony brings the From Team in-house, or gives them funding to start up replacement studio in exchange for some exclusives. They basically did this with Kojima.
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
I don't agree with the whole "Playstation will make all of their games woke!!!" thing, mostly because not every one of their studios are like that. It's also just more culture war BS from the same fucking people that we've had to deal with ever since the Sweet Baby saga.
They'd improve the technical aspects of the game for sure, visuals are to be decided. But then that's just more IP that Sony owns. PC versions of these games are now at the mercy of Playstation, my main reason for opposing this. And any potential of creative control being stripped from them sounds like a nightmare.
We've already seen an entire portion of the gaming industry reduced to garbo under MS ownership (and how I used to defend and stand up for that until i got the rude awakening of Tango Gameworks getting temporarily shut down). You see the fucking food industry and how many companies, brands and IP are just owned by like 3-4 corpos. Why bring that here?
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Sentenza
Member
Yeah, sure. It's an "almost". "Just for the tears" and the giggles.
It's not like you are going to be a rabid fanboy frothing at your mouth for a chance of getting some ammunition in your next list war or anything.
Who the fuck do you people think you are fooling, exactly?
midnightAI
Banned
Sure, that can happen but From is huge compared to what KojiPro was, do you think all 400 ish employees would move/be taken on by Sony? Doubtful
They want to sell, I'd rather Sony get them than pretty much anyone else just because Sony is pretty much already involved in all the markets Kadokawa is in
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BacklashWave534
Member
Monopolization is always great for the industry.