Only if you subscribe to the idea that there is a cleanly-defined economic system inherent to fascism, which is highly debatable. The other characteristics? Not so much debatable.
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Kim Jong-un's ex-lover 'executed by firing squad' (Up: or not)
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Rentahamster
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But then, racism, xenophobia, ultra-nationalism, and ultra-militarism are not exclusive to Fascist states, so it's not like those qualities necessarily and automatically drop a country into the "Facism" bucket, either. Authoritarianism/Totalitarianism have popped up in all sorts of places. Not just Fascist ones.
Hell, various people over the years have ascribed those same qualities to the Soviet Union and even the USA as well. But we know those two aren't really "Facsist" states, despite what some may scrawl out in yellow chalk on a sidewalk in front of Starbucks. They are more clearly labelled by their economics and governance characteristics.
USSR's economic model and rule of law put it in the Socialist/Marxist/Communist/Stalinist camp, while USA's economic model and rule of law put it in the Capitalist(non-state run)/Liberal/Democracy camp.
That being said, however, I agree that the debate on this issue is all over the place, and that these definitions are in flux and change depending on the subjective opinion of who is talking, so it's a bit of a clusterfuck in the end. The way I tried to explain it just seems neater.
joeygreco1985
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Because Syria is waaaaaaaaaaaaaay more important, man!
Megalosaro
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In all honesty, I think Myanmar is more fucked up than NK is.
FantasticMrFoxdie
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What an asshole move. There needs to be a revolution there...
Dude...why...
Dude...why...
Because reasons.
joeygreco1985
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http://www.amazon.com/dp/0143122916/?tag=neogaf0e-20
This was an excellent book. I felt uncomfortable when I was reading it. Just really shocking stuff
Nicktendo86
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Well, apparently she is back from the dead.
http://nypost.com/2014/05/17/kim-jong-uns-executed-ex-seen-alive-on-tv/
NY post said:
http://nypost.com/2014/05/17/kim-jong-uns-executed-ex-seen-alive-on-tv/
Gemüsepizza
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Doesn't surprise me. While it is certainly absolutely horrible in North Korea, I have heard that there are newspapers in South Korea which sometimes invent such stories or especially gruesome "facts", because they hate them so much. That's why I am cautious when I hear such reports from South Korean media. Sometimes you have to wonder how they got so much details about those stories. And why there isn't a video when stuff was allegedly broadcast in state television...
twinturbo2
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Somehow the NY Post will blame Obama for this.
Masquerader
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He is almost a pantomine villain. This is a horrible thing to happen in our level of existence. I... Actually hope that he dies of a heart attack soon. Sorry.
Regardless of her current state of wellbeing, he's a true bastard.
Regardless of her current state of wellbeing, he's a true bastard.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Just the nature of the beast. We get all of our news from North Korea through gatekeepers who have every interest to paint them in a bad light. Truth gets stretched, the worst is presumed.Gemüsepizza;112398814 said:
And no, that doesn't mean North Korea is blameless or a great place to be.
IdreamofHIME
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Have you ever been to Burma? As fucked up and corrupt as their leaders are, they are at the same time investing in the infrastructure of the country and trying to embrace their neighboring countries, signing many deals with India, Thailand and China. Mobile phones and internet is spreading all over and the population is getting news from outside sources.
The influx of foreign money is opening the eyes of the people as well and their political system has been on shakey ground for the last few years with people crying out for more rights.
But yes, much more fucked up than N. Korea.
john whiteguy84
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Aren't these the same clowns that made a video of them defeating Brazil in the 2010 world cup?
ZombiePlatypus
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Same fucked up regime, different figure head.
It's fucked up if you're rohingya
Gemüsepizza;112398814 said:
This and its sometimes originated from North Korean higher ups. They like to make shit up. Happened a couple of times that someone was allegedly dead and popped up at the next event. Problem is, a huge chunk of western media isn't even remotly interested in fact-checking, especially not regarding North Korea. Point in case the haircut story, the unicorn and lots more.
Vicetrailia
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There's been plenty of heirs in history who are fucked up just because they're revered as gods. Right now he's trying to secure his power and is taking even family members out because of it. It's like he's Nero or something. Point is, he's gone and I don't think it was any type of bullying that created him.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
I don't think it was bullying either.
Look, he was born into a situation where you have to step up to the plate and be a hard line despot. If he refuses, or tries to play the good guy king... What happens? He loses the respect of his party? Loses his power? His life?
When you have a situation that incentivizes you to be authoritarian, you don't need to look for super villain origin stories. I honestly think the average man, born as a Kim, would do the same thing.....
IdreamofHIME
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That's not really a Burma specific problem though, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Thailand and a whole bunch of others have mistreated them over the years. The Thai solution of sticking them in ghetto prisons is disgusting.
triplestation
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hello
foxuzamaki
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She is alive and everything, so how did we get to saying she was exsecuted.
Made up news barely anyone bothers to check.
The One and Done
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Lmao shit
Dark Octave
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It's not like we will ever know if it's really her or not.
Particle Physicist
between a quark and a baryon
How do we know this is recent footage though?
It's a bit difficult to get reliable news reports out of North Korea...
You think NK cares enough to pretend that some executed woman is still alive? What is anyone going to do about it if they killed her? They wiped out like a third of all top govt officials a few months ago.
SquiddyCracker
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Honestly, I wouldn't trust any story about NK coming from South Korea.
They probably have an equally large propaganda machine as their neighbour.
They probably have an equally large propaganda machine as their neighbour.
Particle Physicist
between a quark and a baryon
Cares? Not really. But I can see them continue to use footage of her as propaganda.
cheststrongwell
my cake, fuck off
I just take every horrible NK story with a grain of salt.
It's not like we will ever know if it's really her or not.
If you're trying to make an "Asians all look the same" joke that's gross and not at all appropriate here.
It's not like we will ever know if it's really her or not.
racist
Lactose_Intolerant
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That is from a beauty contest, all the entries looked alike
It's not like we will ever know if it's really her or not.
Middle far right. Awwwwwwwww yeahhhhh.
It's not like we will ever know if it's really her or not.
Photoshop, how does it work. And those are not Miss Korean beauty queens, they are from Daegu alone. They actually look quite different, even for a beauty pageant standards.
Many factors are playing in. Communism is still punishable by law in South Korea. Thats why a couple of journalists who alledgedly wrote in favor of communism, are sitting in jail. You can guess what kind of news such a climate creates. Secondly, many things are getting lost in translation. Point in case, the korean beauty pageants. Add in racism, that they have to sell " bizarre/shocking/weird news from Asia".
It's not like we will ever know if it's really her or not.
I don't get it.
onken
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He's saying it could be someone else with plastic surgery.
The funny thing is, even though those are photoshopped beauty pageants from one specific region in Korea, they still look different.
Masquerader
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It's not like we will ever know if it's really her or not.
Is that a joke based on the (frankly limited) hairstyles allowed by the regime? If so, confirm~ One would hate for you to be seen as a racist~
Koreans all look the same apparently
Dark Octave
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Another fake news. The north korean goverment never allowed or disallowed any hairstyles. You can wear what you want.
Masquerader
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... Gosh, I was not quite aware of that~ Thank you for the... Confirmation. Still, it's quite difficult to tell, judging by how tough it is to get news from the N of K.
There just aren't that many Western journalist inside North Korea to fact check. They have to completely rely on foreign sources who in turn may be relying on false information.
block tower
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i find it bizarre that the U.S had to invade the middle east to bring peace and democrac to the people of Afghanistan and Iraq, yet hasn't done anything to help the people of North Korea. oh well, maybe someone will discover oil in North Korea and the U.S. will have an excuse to invade.
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