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Knack |OT| Playin' Knack in my Tub!
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dorkimoe
Gold Member
hahaCoolbgdog12
Member
I dont' think I'm going to finish this game. I came into it open minded since I was really hyped to play it and it was okay at first but now at 7 chapters in, I feel like the game has run it's course. The repetitive music and gameplay are putting me into a bored state too frequently.
For the amount of brawling that you do, there's too few moves to spice up the gameplay. Every encounter which again is far too often involves the same 3 hit punch, dodge>punch, homing attack or a crystal move. I'd like it if it were less fighting, more platforming and less generic locales. The city level is blander than a Krasdale cereal box. The music is again, terrible in this game. It's literally the same tracks playing over and over in different levels and they are way too mellow.
I see Sly 4 on sale digtally for $10.00. I think I'm going there.
For the amount of brawling that you do, there's too few moves to spice up the gameplay. Every encounter which again is far too often involves the same 3 hit punch, dodge>punch, homing attack or a crystal move. I'd like it if it were less fighting, more platforming and less generic locales. The city level is blander than a Krasdale cereal box. The music is again, terrible in this game. It's literally the same tracks playing over and over in different levels and they are way too mellow.
I see Sly 4 on sale digtally for $10.00. I think I'm going there.
IAmRandom31
Banned
Judder?
There is none. The only framerate dropping you will find is when you do a super move.
I haven't experienced framerate drops at any other time.
Was speed running a 2nd run and finished all the gadgets and unlocked my first form by about 4-1. Don't think I'll play anymore. Even speed running it's a decently long game and it probably took me a couple hours to get through the first 3 chapters skipping cutscenes and rushing them.
Fun game, flawed, but a good start for the franchise. Sequel needs:
1) Online co-op
2) Being able to switch forms at any time and each form having unique moves/abilities and puzzles and platforming that make use of those abilities.
3) Being able to control your growth a bit like Katamari instead of the size of your knack being solely dependent on a scripted game telling you what size you should be at every part of the level. Let the player grow REALLY BIG if they play awesome-ly/find secrets and reap the satisfaction of destroying things. Make some secrets each level that require a certain size to reward players who play really well.
4) More variety and open-ness to the levels. Let players explore the city a bit like a Ratchet and Clank game. Ratchet does open-levels really well and is a good reference point. Have more platforming, add in more and deeper puzzles.
5) More combat choices. Add in combos and various moves like DMC to spice up the combat.
6) More unlockables. Give players new abilities every few levels. Some story-based, some hidden to change up the gameplay and keep it fresh.
What Knack 1 already does great:
1) Enemy variety - there's tons of well-animated, great character model enemies each with their own unique attack pattern and charm. I love how they have multiple layers of clothing and each hit changes their model. Very cool.
2) Core combat and challenge. It works, it's fun.
3) Graphics. Looks great, but Knack 2 should aim for 60fps or push the visuals even more and lock it at 30fps.
4) Characters. While the story is rushed and the characters are under-developed, they still did a good job at having a like-able Uncharted Kids type cast, which is better than most games with extremely unlike-able no character personalities.
Fwiw, the city level (7) is the low point of the game. Pretty much everyone was feeling burnt out by then. Even 8-1/8-2 feel like it's dragging. Picks up again by 8-3 and has some good parts before the end though there's no real "highs" (a lot of people really like the last level, but I thought it was fun however just more of the same). It's probably worth pushing through. Also the game is a lot better when you take a break for a few days and come back to it. Because of the repetition it's totally not a game for marathon play on 1st run (hence probably where some of the really low review scores came from).
Fun game, flawed, but a good start for the franchise. Sequel needs:
1) Online co-op
2) Being able to switch forms at any time and each form having unique moves/abilities and puzzles and platforming that make use of those abilities.
3) Being able to control your growth a bit like Katamari instead of the size of your knack being solely dependent on a scripted game telling you what size you should be at every part of the level. Let the player grow REALLY BIG if they play awesome-ly/find secrets and reap the satisfaction of destroying things. Make some secrets each level that require a certain size to reward players who play really well.
4) More variety and open-ness to the levels. Let players explore the city a bit like a Ratchet and Clank game. Ratchet does open-levels really well and is a good reference point. Have more platforming, add in more and deeper puzzles.
5) More combat choices. Add in combos and various moves like DMC to spice up the combat.
6) More unlockables. Give players new abilities every few levels. Some story-based, some hidden to change up the gameplay and keep it fresh.
What Knack 1 already does great:
1) Enemy variety - there's tons of well-animated, great character model enemies each with their own unique attack pattern and charm. I love how they have multiple layers of clothing and each hit changes their model. Very cool.
2) Core combat and challenge. It works, it's fun.
3) Graphics. Looks great, but Knack 2 should aim for 60fps or push the visuals even more and lock it at 30fps.
4) Characters. While the story is rushed and the characters are under-developed, they still did a good job at having a like-able Uncharted Kids type cast, which is better than most games with extremely unlike-able no character personalities.
Fwiw, the city level (7) is the low point of the game. Pretty much everyone was feeling burnt out by then. Even 8-1/8-2 feel like it's dragging. Picks up again by 8-3 and has some good parts before the end though there's no real "highs" (a lot of people really like the last level, but I thought it was fun however just more of the same). It's probably worth pushing through. Also the game is a lot better when you take a break for a few days and come back to it. Because of the repetition it's totally not a game for marathon play on 1st run (hence probably where some of the really low review scores came from).
I started on Hard today, and am on Chapter 3-1. A few questions:
-In the trophies menu, when it says complete a chapter doing x... Does it mean all of chapter 3 for example, or complete chapter 3-1 doing the required task?
-What is diamond knack and how do I get him? Reading the last few pages I keep seeing this mentioned, but I don't remember it being brought up in the game (yet)?
-In the trophies menu, when it says complete a chapter doing x... Does it mean all of chapter 3 for example, or complete chapter 3-1 doing the required task?
-What is diamond knack and how do I get him? Reading the last few pages I keep seeing this mentioned, but I don't remember it being brought up in the game (yet)?
I just finished the game on normal difficulty and had one question...
How in the world does this game deserve a 3/10!?
I thought those kind of scores were reserved for broken games. Knack is definitely not broken. My only gripe would be that the camera sometimes would not show your attacker. That could be a pain but that didn't happen very frequently.
I thought the game was challenging and enjoyed how the simple combat meant you really had to know each of the enemy's fighting style. Most of my deaths could be attributed to my impatience.
I completed two gadgets and was very close on the others. I'm not typically a completionist but will probably go back and see how many of the other collectibles I can get later on more because I enjoyed the combat than for the collectibles themselves.
I enjoyed Knack and if I had to give it a score I'd give it a 8.5/10.
How in the world does this game deserve a 3/10!?
I thought those kind of scores were reserved for broken games. Knack is definitely not broken. My only gripe would be that the camera sometimes would not show your attacker. That could be a pain but that didn't happen very frequently.
I thought the game was challenging and enjoyed how the simple combat meant you really had to know each of the enemy's fighting style. Most of my deaths could be attributed to my impatience.
I completed two gadgets and was very close on the others. I'm not typically a completionist but will probably go back and see how many of the other collectibles I can get later on more because I enjoyed the combat than for the collectibles themselves.
I enjoyed Knack and if I had to give it a score I'd give it a 8.5/10.
Dead Prince
Banned
just beat the game on hard. good stuff. the credit was lol.
This might be one of the most eyebrow-raising things for me in regards to the reviews for Knack. We're obviously not dealing with Pixar-level storytelling here, but I feel like the characters are all interesting and likeable enough for me to want to follow their adventures. It's certainly no worse than dozens of other games I've played, many of which raked in much higher review scores than Knack did.
Granted I'm only half-way through the game so far, so I guess something horrible and character-destroying might occur later.
I doubt Sony will be giving Knack as a PS+ freebie this early on as that would be a big middle finger to those who bought the game for full price just 5 weeks prior.
Not likely. Remember how sure people were about PSAS coming to PS+ soon?
PhoenixDawn
Member
It probably won't show up until sometime this Spring/Summer when there's a games drought and they release it to everyone as a way of attempting to fill the gaps.
famousmortimer
Banned
100% agree. Also worth noting that platforming and just some plain ol weird/fun stuff happen a lot more from chapter 8 on.
I felt like knack started strong... hit a lull... and then builds up to a great end.
Coolbgdog12
Member
That's my main issue with the game, the repetition isn't a problem because virtually every game has you essentially doing the same task over and over but in here the depth of the gameplay is weak so you essentially keep doing the same attacks over and over. couple that with a bunch of enemy wave sequences and that boring background music it makes it hard for me to plow through the game.
I agree with everyone saying it deserves a sequel though. I feel like with a few changes here and there this game can become a really good franchise.
GoodCoffeeJoey
Banned
Also there's a 75 minimum metacritic score required for a game to be on PS+ .
Wait...is that true?
Fushichou187
Member
There's a total sneakfuck chest in 4-2, the first Stealth Knack mission. Towards the end of your "Kill 20 Robots" mission, there's an obvious breakable wall on your way to the main gate-looking area. Typically you'll hit your 20th guy right after and it'll pop a cutscene and then you'll be in a different part of the level. This is what keeps you from that other chest. After the first chest, along the outside wall of the castle/palace and past the main gate with rocketmen and robot, there's an additional breakable wall with a chest. It'll have a robot parked right out in front of it that you'll have to kill so make sure that it isn't the last one you need else that cutscene will pop.
Dunno if that was the one you were missing, but it was definitely mine :\ There are actually a couple places in the game where getting to a chest is preempted because you crossed an invisible line that popped a cutscene and took you to a different part of the level.
I'd really like to know how the game decides what you'll find in each chest. I've been waiting on the final piece of the Time Dilator for about the last three or four chapters, and not just have I not found it, but seemingly none of the ten or so other people in my friends list have either.
I'm getting showered in 4-star Sunstone relics and 5-star Emerald relics, though. Very weird.
I'm getting showered in 4-star Sunstone relics and 5-star Emerald relics, though. Very weird.
I was on the fence about buying Knack but I took the jump last night and bought it on the PS Store, I'm having fun with it so far, not the most complex game ever, fairly simple but it's still got a challenge to it at the end of the day. I'm enjoying it for what it is and I definitely don't regret buying it.
Fushichou187
Member
Anybody encounter a chest bug where a chest you know you opened suddenly was closed and lootable again?
I'm in 7-1 (second playthrough) and I farmed the first chest you come to for my 9th diamond. I just fired up the game again after being away visiting family and I took a peek at that chest (habit, I guess) and it was closed and lootable but I still had 9/10 diamonds. No idea what happened but I'm farming it for my 10th right now so I can be done with chests altogether! Weird...
Humans were the biggest assholes in this game. Hands down.
I'm in 7-1 (second playthrough) and I farmed the first chest you come to for my 9th diamond. I just fired up the game again after being away visiting family and I took a peek at that chest (habit, I guess) and it was closed and lootable but I still had 9/10 diamonds. No idea what happened but I'm farming it for my 10th right now so I can be done with chests altogether! Weird...
Humans were the biggest assholes in this game. Hands down.
Judging by this list it appears so except for a few games that were free on plus day one that ended up below 75.
My PS4 did that when I was on Chapter 9.
Fushichou187
Member
Not only that, I know I've heard that metacritic threshold used as a bullet point underscoring the value of the PS+ subscription by Sony execs. I'm almost positive it was Jack Tretton that said it (and during E3, maybe?).
Anyways, PS+ IGC speculation aside, I'd be very interested in hearing from someone like Shu or even Cerny himself regarding Knack sales numbers and the general response the game has been getting from consumers, not industry people, and how those things shape their strategy for Knack's future.
gutter_trash
Banned
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQ4y68CwEW4
Knack - All Treasure Chest Collectible Locations (King of Adventure Trophy Guide) by PowerPyx
I used this on an iPad on the coach during my HARD difficulty playthrough (I used Diamond Knack, duh)
Now, I got Very Hard left to obtain my Platinum... here I go
Knack - All Treasure Chest Collectible Locations (King of Adventure Trophy Guide) by PowerPyx
I used this on an iPad on the coach during my HARD difficulty playthrough (I used Diamond Knack, duh)
Now, I got Very Hard left to obtain my Platinum... here I go
Just the part, ie 3-1.
I think my issue with the difficulty is, quite frankly it's all over the place. Like when you're tiny you get one hit killed by some stuff, and then other sections of the game where you're big Knack and attacks barely even scrape you.
heh, the camera not showing the attack almost made me throw my DS4 across the room. I had 43 combo going on the meter and was going for that 50 combo trophy. Ranged guy shoots me from off screen. ;_; Eventually did get that trophy though. Rewarding~
I don't know why this got a 3/10 anywhere. Even with opinions, reviews should still have SOME objectivity in them. And there's no way to justify a 3/10 review for Knack.
JStein0222
Member
Might be a dumb question but is there a way to replay chapters before actually beating the game or do I have to beat the game first? And even then do I get to choose what chapter I want to play or do I just have to run through the story again?
Dead Prince
Banned
Chapter select unlocks after you beat the game along with other modes too
JStein0222
Member
Excellent! Thank you
Dead Prince
Banned
the modes stay unlock
chapter select you can play any chapter with any difficulty you have unlocked
the other 2 modes stay there but it also uses your current saved data thats loaded (includes difficulty and gadgets and such)
Bah, just spent a good 15mins going for no damage on a boss trophy, to find out, you actually need to exit out when you take damage and not just let yourself get killed. Killed the boss with no damage taken after a death, didn't count. Will have to go back and do it again if I ever complete it and unlock chapter select. >.<
Fushichou187
Member
I found that once you unlock Diamond Knack, a lot of those chapter-specific trophies trophies become super easy especially with Chapter Select and putting it on Easy. This actually popped for me while going for the Emerald Medal trophy.
Binary Domain ended up on there, though it didn't do as low as I thought. Still, 72, so either it's a bit lower like 70, or it's rubbish.
I'd hope it's just one criteria at most, a reliable enough litmus test but a game will be examined closer if there's enough demand or praise for the game regardless, though I'd sooner expect this to be crazy PS+ sale fodder instead.
I thought the same. It isn't intuitive at all.
1. Start game with primary profile
2. connect Vita with remote play
3. Turn on the DS4 and log in with a profile other than the one on the Vita (I just use the guest profile)
Once you start the game, P1 will be on Vita, P2 will use the DS4.
Ok again, WTF, i'm on chapter 6-3 and this is so far my favorite PS4 game. I have played only coop with my 7 year old son and he is loving it too, the end of chapter 5 was great. The graphics don 't get enough credit either. Anyone scoring this game below 6 is really crazy. As a game aimed for kids this is fantastic, i'm 33 and enyoing it s lot too.
If this game doesn't get a sequel i will be seriously bummed.
Please buy this game people, it's really really good, especially if you have kids.
If this game doesn't get a sequel i will be seriously bummed.
Please buy this game people, it's really really good, especially if you have kids.
gutter_trash
Banned
they EYE in 5-4 in very hard, holy crap seriously. How you supposed to run that?
OMG, tried a dozen times.
break time
OMG, tried a dozen times.
break time
There's something about Knack that makes it hard for me to put it down. It's really easy to play and deceptively simple but tough to master. I've already sank 50 hours into it and beat it six times. I even beat it on Very Hard with regular Knack! Although my brain says this game is a 7, I really love it. I think this is a great game to speed run.
By the way, 8-1 is definitely the hardest part of the game--at least for me.
By the way, 8-1 is definitely the hardest part of the game--at least for me.
LOL. Yes! I kept screaming at my television. Once I was done, I was so spent, but also completely satisfied! It was unforgiving but never unfair.
I second this. Currently playing through this with my 4 year old and he loves it to bits. It's rather exciting as it's my first game that I am actually playing through with my boy and he has requested that I do not play without him, which I find so cute. But yeah he loves the game so much and it's funny watching him explain it to his friends haha! And he is actually not bad at it either!
After I finish it with him though hard mode is all mine!
This game deserved much better review scores.
The 4's and 5's it got would indicate its a game of poor quality, which I strongly disagree with. Knack has a few flaws (frame rate mostly), but its not a bad game by any means.
The level design is somewhat similar to what I would expect from a modern day Crash game.
The 4's and 5's it got would indicate its a game of poor quality, which I strongly disagree with. Knack has a few flaws (frame rate mostly), but its not a bad game by any means.
The level design is somewhat similar to what I would expect from a modern day Crash game.
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