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[JHall]

I've only had my account activated so I haven't yet been able to contribute much to the PS3, Durango conversation, but I have been lurking for awhile.

That said the way I've seen GAF react to each companies consoles is when Sony said "We're going to be the number one place for games, social networking and entertainment" people go OMG SONY IS ONLY ABOUT GAMES, THEY LOVE US GAMERS, but when Microsoft says "We want Durango to be the games, TV, and entertainment center of the living room" people scream OMG MS IS FOCUSING ON ENTERTAINMENT. THEYVE ABANDONED US GAMERS. Obviously I'm using hyperbole, but that's just what I've observed.

I guarantee Microsoft is going to come out and say the exact same things as Sony and they'll get crucified for it because people looked at the last few years with Kinect and think that's the future, it isn't. Every console towards the end of a gen turns towards the casual crowd to try and boost sales because "hardcore" gamers already have the console anyways. Will Kinect be a part of the next Xbox? Yeah. Will they be as Kinect centered as the last few years? No, because that's not what makes them money.

I think gamers don't fully get how business in the world works. Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo don't want your love and affection, they want your money. I remember a Michael Eisner quote that really struck me awhile ago. He said something to the effect of "Disney's goal isn't to make dreams come true, it's to make money" and the same goes with the games industry. It's stupid for fanboys to argue who cares about who more.

Me? Whatever company presents the games that you want, get that console first and the other one later. I got the N64 first, then the PS; then the PS2 first, then Xbox, and this gen it was 360 first, PS3 second.

Whew, end rant. Again, it's my opinion and opinions CAN be wrong, it's just how I see things right now and we'll find out a LOT more after the 21st.

I like this guy.

 

[Uno Venova]

Gaf saying Sony and Nintendo are fighting for love, not money. Gaf saying Sony is doing only games for the PS4. Wow. It's raining strawmen. I'm grateful the majority doesn't make arguments like that.

 

[watership]

Don Matrrick happened.

Hi. Don Mattrick defense force here. You're crazy. Mattrick is awesome.

http://www.oxmonline.com/who-hell-don-mattrick

 

[Always-honest]

I think gamers don't fully get how business in the world works.

Some gamers, maybe.
But yes, just buy the shit you like. It's all there for us to buy or not.
Having said that, i think Sony is going a bit of the extra mile this time. Especially for devs.
I wish Nintendo followed that example. And i hope MS does too.

 

[Mandoric]

I think gamers don't fully get how business in the world works. Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo don't want your love and affection, they want your money. I remember a Michael Eisner quote that really struck me awhile ago. He said something to the effect of "Disney's goal isn't to make dreams come true, it's to make money" and the same goes with the games industry. It's stupid for fanboys to argue who cares about who more.

There's some truth to this idea, but in the end it's just as shortsighted as the idiots who think Kaz or Reggie personally cares about them. Each company wants money, but each company has its own preferred ways of getting it, its own sunk costs toward getting it in a certain way, and a certain internal philosophy.

Nintendo will always make a quirky toy with a lot of games-as-plaything philosophy, and if you like that you're going to gravitate toward Nintendo. Sony will always make an AV device with a couple tech bulletpoints and good connections with the Japanese third-party community, and if you like that you're going to gravitate toward Sony.

MS is catching a lot of flak now because in the past gen they've tried being "the third-party exclusive box", then "the multiplat powerhouse box", then "the entertainment box". Part from people who feel burnt on a $400 investment, and also part just because hype->meh comes off as hating at first.

 

[Flatline]

I've only had my account activated so I haven't yet been able to contribute much to the PS$, Durango conversation, but I have been lurking for awhile.

That said the way I've seen GAF react to each companies consoles is when Sony said "We're going to be the number one place for games, social networking and entertainment" people go OMG SONY IS ONLY ABOUT GAMES, THEY LOVE US GAMERS, but when Microsoft says "We want Durango to be the games, TV, and entertainment center of the living room" people scream OMG MS IS FOCUSING ON ENTERTAINMENT. THEYVE ABANDONED US GAMERS. Obviously I'm using hyperbole, but that's just what I've observed.

I guarantee Microsoft is going to come out and say the exact same things as Sony and they'll get crucified for it because people looked at the last few years with Kinect and think that's the future, it isn't. Every console towards the end of a gen turns towards the casual crowd to try and boost sales because "hardcore" gamers already have the console anyways. Will Kinect be a part of the next Xbox? Yeah. Will they be as Kinect centered as the last few years? No, because that's not what makes them money.

I think gamers don't fully get how business in the world works. Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo don't want your love and affection, they want your money. I remember a Michael Eisner quote that really struck me awhile ago. He said something to the effect of "Disney's goal isn't to make dreams come true, it's to make money" and the same goes with the games industry. It's stupid for fanboys to argue who cares about who more.

Me? Whatever company presents the games that you want, get that console first and the other one later. I got the N64 first, then the PS; then the PS2 first, then Xbox, and this gen it was 360 first, PS3 second.

Whew, end rant. Again, it's my opinion and opinions CAN be wrong, it's just how I see things right now and we'll find out a LOT more after the 21st.

Will you retract those statements if two or more first party launch games are focused on Kinect as rumored? I can only describe these posts as some kind of persecution complex, GAF isn't this biased hivemind you imagine, people comment based on past experiences and rumours and both experience from the last three years and rumours don't paint such a rosy picture for Microsoft. You can choose to ignore all the evidence and clues but the rest of us won't.

 

[artist]

Posters saying Sony and Nintendo are fighting for love, Gaf saying Sony is doing only games for the PS4. Wow. It's raining strawmen. I'm grateful the majority doesn't make arguments like that.

Day 81, persecution complex #342342311.

 

[chicko1983]

I guarantee Microsoft is going to come out and say the exact same things as Sony and they'll get crucified for it because people looked at the last few years with Kinect and think that's the future, it isn't. Every console towards the end of a gen turns towards the casual crowd to try and boost sales because "hardcore" gamers already have the console anyways. Will Kinect be a part of the next Xbox? Yeah. Will they be as Kinect centered as the last few years? No, because that's not what makes them money.

I disagree. The amount of hardcore gamers is far less than casuals. I know a lot more people with a system and three or four games than twenty plus games.

Sony and ms both know this now and the casual centric approach has only really just started for these two with kinetic and move following on From the wii's success.

Next generation will be more casual centric development from day one for both companies, I think. Hence why Microsoft are going the home entertainment route as the more other features they can offer, the more likely they will appeal to a casual gamer.

 

[Bleedorang3]

Will you retract those statements if two or more first party launch games are focused on Kinect as rumored? I can only describe these posts as some kind of persecution complex, GAF isn't this biased hivemind you imagine, people comment based on past experiences and rumours and both experience from the last three years and rumours don't paint such a rosy picture for Microsoft. You can choose to ignore all the evidence and clues but the rest of us won't.

Kinect games are still games, whether you/GAF like them or not.

 

[nib95]

I've only had my account activated so I haven't yet been able to contribute much to the PS3, Durango conversation, but I have been lurking for awhile.

That said the way I've seen GAF react to each companies consoles is when Sony said "We're going to be the number one place for games, social networking and entertainment" people go OMG SONY IS ONLY ABOUT GAMES, THEY LOVE US GAMERS, but when Microsoft says "We want Durango to be the games, TV, and entertainment center of the living room" people scream OMG MS IS FOCUSING ON ENTERTAINMENT. THEYVE ABANDONED US GAMERS. Obviously I'm using hyperbole, but that's just what I've observed.

I guarantee Microsoft is going to come out and say the exact same things as Sony and they'll get crucified for it because people looked at the last few years with Kinect and think that's the future, it isn't. Every console towards the end of a gen turns towards the casual crowd to try and boost sales because "hardcore" gamers already have the console anyways. Will Kinect be a part of the next Xbox? Yeah. Will they be as Kinect centered as the last few years? No, because that's not what makes them money.

I think gamers don't fully get how business in the world works. Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo don't want your love and affection, they want your money. I remember a Michael Eisner quote that really struck me awhile ago. He said something to the effect of "Disney's goal isn't to make dreams come true, it's to make money" and the same goes with the games industry. It's stupid for fanboys to argue who cares about who more.

Me? Whatever company presents the games that you want, get that console first and the other one later. I got the N64 first, then the PS; then the PS2 first, then Xbox, and this gen it was 360 first, PS3 second.

Whew, end rant. Again, it's my opinion and opinions CAN be wrong, it's just how I see things right now and we'll find out a LOT more after the 21st.

Captain you're being a bit slow, people are acting differently because there is a very different ethos coming from both companies. One is being open, gamer centric and traditional with regards to rumoured and now announced specs, with Move barely playing a role, the other is being secretive, being more services centric, has a heavy emphasis on Kinect, is going for lesser specs and less core and indie gamer orientated moves with the closure of XNA, closure of first party studios etc. There is a clear difference.

Sony is being more gamers first, services second, Microsoft so far is doing or rumoured to be doing the opposite. Even the rumoured hardware specs imply as much. DDR3 instead of GDDR5...they chose system ram over video ram. Clearly the system side is a priority.

 

[jrDev]

Will you retract those statements if two or more first party launch games are focused on Kinect as rumored? I can only describe these posts as some kind of persecution complex, GAF isn't this biased hivemind you imagine, people comment based on past experiences and rumours and both experience from the last three years and rumours don't paint such a rosy picture for Microsoft. You can choose to ignore all the evidence and clues but the rest of us won't.

What in the world did I just read? Kinect games aren't games?

 

[artist]

Even Cliffy B is not immune to the PR being fed by Sony, I mean just look at this;

I have a very good relationship with Microsoft, but [there are] a lot of TCRs you'd have to go through, all the stuff you'd have to go through to get your game on Xbox Live Arcade, or even issue updates on; it was a nightmare." while praising Sony for "...embrac[ing] a lot of that vibe thus far, as far as indie games go and whatnot. I feel like Sony's really embraced that vibe, and [the] homebrewed and homegrown movement that's really taken over.

Plus he's also a GAF member.

 

[Kyoufu]

The problem with that is that GAF in no way represents the large market that these companies want to sell to. It's fine if you don't like motion gaming or navigation, but saying one company is going to lose because they implement it better is quite ignorant.

I agree with that but questioning why GAF is not happy with motion control/non-games focus is also ignorance.

 

[Uno Venova]

What in the world did I just read? Kinect games aren't games?

Not sure where you read that in his post.

Another case of people reading what they want to?

 

[Louis Cyphre]

I've only had my account activated so I haven't yet been able to contribute much to the PS3, Durango conversation, but I have been lurking for awhile.

That said the way I've seen GAF react to each companies consoles is when Sony said "We're going to be the number one place for games, social networking and entertainment" people go OMG SONY IS ONLY ABOUT GAMES, THEY LOVE US GAMERS, but when Microsoft says "We want Durango to be the games, TV, and entertainment center of the living room" people scream OMG MS IS FOCUSING ON ENTERTAINMENT. THEYVE ABANDONED US GAMERS. Obviously I'm using hyperbole, but that's just what I've observed.

I guarantee Microsoft is going to come out and say the exact same things as Sony and they'll get crucified for it because people looked at the last few years with Kinect and think that's the future, it isn't. Every console towards the end of a gen turns towards the casual crowd to try and boost sales because "hardcore" gamers already have the console anyways. Will Kinect be a part of the next Xbox? Yeah. Will they be as Kinect centered as the last few years? No, because that's not what makes them money.

I think gamers don't fully get how business in the world works. Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo don't want your love and affection, they want your money. I remember a Michael Eisner quote that really struck me awhile ago. He said something to the effect of "Disney's goal isn't to make dreams come true, it's to make money" and the same goes with the games industry. It's stupid for fanboys to argue who cares about who more.

Me? Whatever company presents the games that you want, get that console first and the other one later. I got the N64 first, then the PS; then the PS2 first, then Xbox, and this gen it was 360 first, PS3 second.

Whew, end rant. Again, it's my opinion and opinions CAN be wrong, it's just how I see things right now and we'll find out a LOT more after the 21st.

Of course Sony is going to come out swinging about the core gamer, they are after all the ones who will be the first to buy new systems. They are also the ones who carried the PS3 in the beginning until they got a decent library of games (along with videophiles looking for the cheapest blu-ray player at the time). I have a feeling the PS4 won't be that cheap, at least $399 but more likely $499.

We will see lots of games for the new Xbox either on May 21 or at the E3 event. I'm not worried about all the fear-mongering and how games will take a backseat.

 

[Flatline]

What in the world did I just read? Kinect games aren't games?

I don't know, what did you read? Because it was certainly not my post:

Will you retract those statements if two or more first party launch games are focused on Kinect as rumored? I can only describe these posts as some kind of persecution complex, GAF isn't this biased hivemind you imagine, people comment based on past experiences and rumours and both experience from the last three years and rumours don't paint such a rosy picture for Microsoft. You can choose to ignore all the evidence and clues but the rest of us won't.

 

[nib95]

Even Cliffy B is not immune to the PR being fed by Sony, I mean just look at this;

Plus he's also a GAF member.

Lol, what if it's not so much PR as it's just the truth? Many indie Devs have spoken of their complications with Microsoft and Sonys ease to work with. So many indie Devs have jumped on the pro Sony bandwagon, and it's amusing you think that's because they've bought in to PR and not because their experiences with Sony have just been better.

 

[Officerrob]

Lol, what if it's not so much PR as it's just the truth? Many indie Devs have spoken of their complications with Microsoft and Sonys ease to work with. So many indie Devs have jumped on the pro Sony bandwagon, and it's amusing you think that's because they've bought in to PR and not because their experiences with Sony have just been better.

He actually agrees with you, perhaps you are the one who is a little slow here

 

[dragonelite]

Even Cliffy B is not immune to the PR being fed by Sony, I mean just look at this;

Plus he's also a GAF member.

That PR doesn't matter if microsoft also does this Sony beat them to punch and it will probably been seen as they had to react to sony. Even if they already had the infrastructure with XBLIG and im pretty sure patching costs is mostly there to enforce quality not to nickle and dim Indie developers. As far as i know patching on win8 and wp seems to be free so they already have the functionality.

 

[nib95]

He actually agrees with you, perhaps you are the one who is a little slow here

His post implies that CliffyB is buying in to the 'PR' being fed by Sony. I don't agree. It's not PR, it's just a positive reaction to Sonys efforts in the indie realm.

 

[CookTrain]

That PR doesn't matter if microsoft also does this Sony beat them to punch and it will probably been seen as they had to react to sony. Even if they already had the infrastructure with XBLIG and im pretty sure patching costs is mostly there to enforce quality not to nickle and dim Indie developers. As far as i know patching on win8 and wp seems to be free so they already have the functionality.

Patching is free on XBLIG too. They've shuttered XNA, but the suggestion seems to be they're replacing it with the App Store across all platforms. Could be a very compelling proposition to simultaneously publish across PC, mobile and Xbox. Could not be... but could be.

 

[Spongebob]

Captain you're being a bit slow, people are acting differently because there is a very different ethos coming from both companies. One is being open, gamer centric and traditional with regards to rumoured and now announced specs, with Move barely playing a role, the other is being secretive, being more services centric, has a heavy emphasis on Kinect, is going for lesser specs and less core and indie gamer orientated moves with the closure of XNA, closure of first party studios etc. There is a clear difference.

Sony is being more gamers first, services second, Microsoft so far is doing or rumoured to be doing the opposite. Even the rumoured hardware specs imply as much. DDR3 instead of GDDR5...they chose system ram over video ram. Clearly the system side is a priority.

Excellent summary.

 

[Krisprolls]

His post implies that CliffyB is buying in to the 'PR' being fed by Sony. I don't agree. It's not PR, it's just a positive reaction to Sonys efforts in the indie realm.

No, he agrees with you, that was sarcastic.

 

[Flatline]

Kinect games are still games, whether you/GAF like them or not.

Did you read the post I was replying to? The poster seems very confident that Microsoft will follow the exact same path Sony does and that Kinect was just a stopgap that will mostly be ignored this gen.

 

[Officerrob]

His post implies that CliffyB is buying in to the 'PR' being fed by Sony. I don't agree. It's not PR, it's just a positive reaction to Sonys efforts in the indie realm.

It's called sarcasm

 

[Bleedorang3]

Not sure where you read that in his post.

Another case of people reading what they want to?

He wants his quoted poster to "retract" his claim that posters on GAF are pursuing a narrative that "Microsoft isn't focused on games" if some of Microsofts first-party games involve Kinect. Which means he believes that Kinect games aren't, in fact, games.

I don't see how you could have trouble reading that.

 

[stryke]

His post implies that CliffyB is buying in to the 'PR' being fed by Sony. I don't agree. It's not PR, it's just a positive reaction to Sonys efforts in the indie realm.

Nib, I'm pretty sure he's being sarcastic about the "buying into Sony PR".

 

[Monty Mole]

Captain you're being a bit slow, people are acting differently because there is a very different ethos coming from both companies. One is being open, gamer centric and traditional with regards to rumoured and now announced specs, with Move barely playing a role, the other is being secretive, being more services centric, has a heavy emphasis on Kinect, is going for lesser specs and less core and indie gamer orientated moves with the closure of XNA, closure of first party studios etc. There is a clear difference.

Sony is being more gamers first, services second, Microsoft so far is doing or rumoured to be doing the opposite. Even the rumoured hardware specs imply as much. DDR3 instead of GDDR5...they chose system ram over video ram. Clearly the system side is a priority.

I don't know where to even start with you. Perhaps 'closure of first party studios'. What first party studios has Microsoft closed over the past two years? Need more time? Well while you're thinking I could mention Zipper Interactive and Sony Liverpool.

Lol, what if it's not so much PR as it's just the truth? Many indie Devs have spoken of their complications with Microsoft and Sonys ease to work with. So many indie Devs have jumped on the pro Sony bandwagon, and it's amusing you think that's because they've bought in to PR and not because their experiences with Sony have just been better.

All that has only happened since PS4 was announced. Perhaps when Durango is announced we'll hear stories on the other side, but obviously nobody can talk yet. But the proof is in the pudding, and from that point of view, XBLA still shits all over PSN in terms of indie games. And that's without factoring in XBLIG which also has some great games on the service too, even if many here want you to think it's all farting games and minecraft clones.

 

[Dabanton]

In terms of independent game makers I imagine a ton of them are still under MS NDA It will be interesting once MS reveals this thing as people will be finally able to speak. A few have already but more about the current setup. No way MS cedes this territory to Sony without a fight the one thing Sony has been smart about is sucking the air from the room in terms of this as they no doubt know nobody working on XBLA style games for Durango can talk giving the impression that MS doesn't see this area as important.

 

[CaptainSlow]

I've only been following Gaf since after the Playstation meeting so I have an admittedly narrow minded view of here so like I said in my last post, I could very well be wrong.

About Kinect, I honestly don't think it's going to be as huge as the last 2 E3's where we saw so many uncomfortable moments like the Usher Kinect concert, Sesame Street Kinect, Disneyland Kinect, Kinect Fun Labs, whatever else nonsense they had, blah blah blah. All I'm saying is you'd have to be CRAZY to think that Microsoft will come out and do that this year. They had a hot consumer device and they drained every last drip of money out of it. I do fully expect to have Kinect features in many Durango games like voice control, head tracking, etc. I also fully expect there to be a lot of Kinect shown with the TV features they have planned like voice search/controls and motion navigation.

We'll see on the 21st and after when developers wont be held to the NDA.

One thing we ALL CAN agree on is it is going to be a great E3 and rest of the year for gaming and gamers

 

[nib95]

It's called sarcasm

Whoops, my sarcasm detector is broken.

 

[Hindle]

Microsoft will reveal thier next gen strategy with Indie devs when they actually reveal thier console. At the moment the machine isn't even announced. Personally I think they'll host a private show where they'll invite them to talk.

Edit. It's really funny that people think MS will ignore them when Minecraft has just sold 6m copies on thier system.

 

[MightyHedgehog]

Hi. Don Mattrick defense force here. You're crazy. Mattrick is awesome.

http://www.oxmonline.com/who-hell-don-mattrick

Man, I forgot about this stuff. 4-D Boxing, Stunts, Test Drive, and Need for Speed? What a great resume for pioneering 3D computer games.

 

[SPDIF]

I fully expect Microsoft's approach with game/app development to follow their Windows 8 app store policy.

That is, pay a relatively small fee for a developer license, submit your game to MS and after a few basic tests to make sure there aren't any major bugs your game will be published to the store.

Add to that, free patches, being able to self publish as well as being able to dictate the exact release date, and you have a pretty attractive development environment.

 

[artist]

Yeah nib, I was being sarcastic there. The positive trend for Sony is from all directions, yet people choose to harp and target GAF as being biased. Maybe that's the truth and you dont rike it?

 

[Krisprolls]

Excellent summary.

Yeah, it's no rocket science actually why people prefer Sony nowadays.

I may add people generally feel they get more for their money...

Free online vs not free, free netflix vs not free, "free" AAA games with PS+, more 1st party games released vs Kinect games.

It may change, but MS needs to give us more for our money, especially now that they compete with PS+.

 

[Flatline]

He wants his quoted poster to "retract" his claim that posters on GAF are pursuing a narrative that "Microsoft isn't focused on games" if some of Microsofts first-party games involve Kinect. Which means he believes that Kinect games aren't, in fact, games.

I don't see how you could have trouble reading that.

Did you only read the first two paragraphs from CaptainSlow's post or something? Seriously dude, both posts you've made indicate that you didn't read the entire post.

 

[CaptainSlow]

Hi. Don Mattrick defense force here. You're crazy. Mattrick is awesome.

http://www.oxmonline.com/who-hell-don-mattrick

The last paragraph is why I think Pachter is full of it when he thinks Mattrick will be the next EA CEO. Dude was already at EA and could have been CEO but left because he didn't want the job. Why would he want to leave NOW and go back there when the company is in the shitter?

 

[Bleedorang3]

Did you read the post I was replying to? The poster seems very confident that Microsoft will follow the exact same path Sony does and that Kinect was just a stopgap that will mostly be ignored this gen.

Do you not expect Sony to do the same thing in regards to their peripherals? They have 2 "me too" devices with the move and the eye. You expect Sony of all people to just ignore them because they're somehow more "gamer oriented" than Microsoft?

 

[Bleedorang3]

Yeah nib, I was being sarcastic there. The positive trend for Sony is from all directions, yet people choose to harp and target GAF as being biased. Maybe that's the truth and you dont rike it?

Yeah, except the parts that SonyGAF chooses to ignore:

PS4:
Always Online - Publisher discretion
No Used Games - Publisher discretion
Backwards Compatibility - Please understand, we have none
Gaikai - Coming* Soon™ after launch, please believe it will work
Entertainment Focus - Please believe our PR that we have no focus on entertainment
Multiple PS+ Tiers - We refuse to talk about it so you'll believe it doesn't exist for as long as possible

Will online play remain free? “We totally believe that we want to provide more functionality and more services and more content on the network. And so we are looking at how we are going to structure that. And we are not ready to talk about that.”

Shuhei Yoshida said yesterday that the PlayStation 4 won’t block access to pre-owned games. Whilst we’ve no doubt that that’s entirely true, what Eurogamer didn’t question is whether this means that the block will only be removed via an online purchase, much in the same way that online passes work now. You get a secondhand game, and then pay a fee to unlock it.

That’s speculation, of course, Sony aren’t talking details just yet. That said, Yoshida has today said that, when asked by GameSpot, activation codes are down to the publisher. “It’s a publisher decision,” he said, before adding that “we are not talking about it, sorry.” It’s not clear whether this is in reference to the current online pass style system, though.

 

[Flatline]

Do you not expect Sony to do the same thing in regards to their peripherals? They have 2 "me too" devices with the move and the eye. You expect Sony of all people to just ignore them because they're somehow more "gamer oriented" than Microsoft?

No, just like they didn't do this gen. They have some games for Move just to keep the console lineup as diverse as possible but they're not focused on them the least. And the eye isn't a "me too" device, it was released way before Kinect.

 

[nib95]

Yeah nib, I was being sarcastic there. The positive trend for Sony is from all directions, yet people choose to harp and target GAF as being biased. Maybe that's the truth and you dont rike it?

Yea sorry dude. My bad. Didn't realise you were being sarcastic, but yea I agree.

 

[Monty Mole]

Yea sorry dude. My bad. Didn't realise you were being sarcastic, but yea I agree.

Still waiting for you to tell me which first party studios Microsoft has shut down recently?

 

[SPDIF]

No, just like they didn't do this gen. They have some games for Move just to keep the console lineup as diverse as possible but they're not focused on them the least. And the eye isn't a "me too" device, it was released way before Kinect.

You're not comparing the eye to the Kinect are you? If you want to do that compare it to the vision cam.

Kinect's in a completely different ballpark to the eye.

 

[Bleedorang3]

No, just like they didn't do this gen. They have some games for Move just to keep the console lineup as diverse as possible but they're not focused on them the least. And the eye isn't a "me too" device, it was released way before Kinect.

Whoa whoa whoa. So they'll have "some" and that means that they're not focused on motion controls "in the least", but it Microsoft has "some" that means that they're 100% focused on Kinect?

Where is the cognitive dissonance here. Such a double standard being applied.

 

[Flatline]

You're not comparing the eye to the Kinect are you? If you want to do that compare it to the vision cam.

Kinect's in a completely different ballpark to the eye.

Bleedorang3 did, I just agreed. And yes Kinect and eyetoy are comparable, Kinect can do more but they're certainly similar concepts.

 

[BruceLeeRoy]

I've only had my account activated so I haven't yet been able to contribute much to the PS3, Durango conversation, but I have been lurking for awhile.

That said the way I've seen GAF react to each companies consoles is when Sony said "We're going to be the number one place for games, social networking and entertainment" people go OMG SONY IS ONLY ABOUT GAMES, THEY LOVE US GAMERS, but when Microsoft says "We want Durango to be the games, TV, and entertainment center of the living room" people scream OMG MS IS FOCUSING ON ENTERTAINMENT. THEYVE ABANDONED US GAMERS. Obviously I'm using hyperbole, but that's just what I've observed.

I guarantee Microsoft is going to come out and say the exact same things as Sony and they'll get crucified for it because people looked at the last few years with Kinect and think that's the future, it isn't. Every console towards the end of a gen turns towards the casual crowd to try and boost sales because "hardcore" gamers already have the console anyways. Will Kinect be a part of the next Xbox? Yeah. Will they be as Kinect centered as the last few years? No, because that's not what makes them money.

I think gamers don't fully get how business in the world works. Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo don't want your love and affection, they want your money. I remember a Michael Eisner quote that really struck me awhile ago. He said something to the effect of "Disney's goal isn't to make dreams come true, it's to make money" and the same goes with the games industry. It's stupid for fanboys to argue who cares about who more.

Me? Whatever company presents the games that you want, get that console first and the other one later. I got the N64 first, then the PS; then the PS2 first, then Xbox, and this gen it was 360 first, PS3 second.

Whew, end rant. Again, it's my opinion and opinions CAN be wrong, it's just how I see things right now and we'll find out a LOT more after the 21st.

Great post and welcome! That said you have no idea how many copies Kinect Adventures sold do you?

 

[Bleedorang3]

You're not comparing the eye to the Kinect are you? If you want to do that compare it to the vision cam.

Kinect's in a completely different ballpark to the eye.

Eye is literally just two RGB cameras strapped together to track the move. But, since they made it, and games will support it, that somehow means that Sony isn't focused on core gamers, and that Microsoft is "hitting all the right notes".

 

[Monty Mole]

No, just like they didn't do this gen. They have some games for Move just to keep the console lineup as diverse as possible but they're not focused on them the least. And the eye isn't a "me too" device, it was released way before Kinect.

Sony spent plenty of their E3 conference pushing Move the year they launched it. They also had a big marketing campaign and launch line-up. The only difference between Move and Kinect is that one was successful and one wasn't. Hence why one got quickly buried and forgotten about, and the other didn't.

 

[Uno Venova]

Sony spent plenty of their E3 conference pushing Move the year they launched it. They also had a big marketing campaign and launch line-up. The only difference between Move and Kinect is that one was successful and one wasn't. Hence why one got quickly buried and forgotten about, and the other didn't.

I don't remember the marketing being that big for move, how big was it?