Horse Armour
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Did he just call the Vita fall lineup strong? Come on, the only good looking title is AC Liberation and the COD game is essentially vapourware at this time.
Kotaku: SCEA's Koller on the state of PS Vita
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I don't understand this, "I don't want console experiences on a portable!" mentality. So you would rather have pared down gameplay and graphics only made necessary because the portable didn't have enough power to run it? The problem is that the machine is expensive and Sony has been trash at advertising as of late. How many people didn't even know when the Vita came out? They need to advertise Call of Duty Vita and Madden Vita like crazy.
As far as he's concerned Call of Duty is coming out this fall, which makes for a very strong line-up alongside Assassin's Creed 3: Liberation. These two are the biggest selling IP's on Playstation and are getting a Vita exclusive installment this holiday season.
Horse Armour
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Two portable spin offs of popular console games does not make a strong fall lineup.
outunderthestars
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Little Big Planet, COD, AC: L, Sly 4, Playstation All-stars, Persona 4, Madden, Sound Shapes, Silent Hill, New Little Kings Story. Ragnarok Odyssey make for a pretty strong Fall Lineup in my opinion.
Well Nintendo is screwed then.
Are any of those worth a $300 investment.
If you're only interested in finding one game then you'll never buy a console.
Ollie Pooch
In a perfect world, we'd all be homersexual
Yeah cos it's one single game, not a lineup of them, that sells systems.
outunderthestars
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Can't that question be asked of any platform's lineup?
Horse Armour
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Except for Madden, COD and AC the rest of the titles range from niche (SH+Persona) to extremely niche (Sound shapes+ Ragnarok Odyssey). There's nothing outside the first 3 titles to get a non niche gamer excited for the fall lineup.
Those are two different things. I'm sure they'll change up how they market the Vita eventually, like they always do.
Ah, of course. Except for 3 of the biggest gaming franchises, what else does it have?
outunderthestars
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Little Big Planet, Sly 4, and Playstation all-stars are niche?
What game do you need to see? They have Madden to cover sports, COD for shooters, AC for third person action, LBP and Sly 4 for platformers, PS all-stars for fighters, and a variety of niche games to cater to people who enjoy RPG's/Strategy/Horror etc to enjoy.
I'd say that is a strong portable lineup. It features three of the top five third party franchises of the generation while also covering alot of bases.
lbp, sly 4, AND sound shapes.
also there's virtue's last reward which is going to sell 20 million copies and shame david cage again.
Ollie Pooch
In a perfect world, we'd all be homersexual
Love it. They can't win.
specialguy
Banned
So basically Sony is still in denial.
They still think console games on the go are what people want. A losing proposition.
Probably going to get even worse for the Vita once next gen comes out and even it's strong suit, graphics, are way behind the consoles.
They still think console games on the go are what people want. A losing proposition.
Probably going to get even worse for the Vita once next gen comes out and even it's strong suit, graphics, are way behind the consoles.
I think the argument that's being poorly conveyed here is that portables are portables and, whether we like it or not, some content needs to be tailored to that audience.
People associate the CoD and AC spinoffs with similar console spin-off titles like MGS Portable Ops, the Kingdom Hearts games prior to the DS release, Crisis Core, etc. Those games were touted as major system-sellers too, for those who don't recall (MGS especially, though all of the games mentioned were classified at the time as AAA in their console offerings) but totally failed to give the PSP the kind of market traction they wanted.
So for people to have serious doubts that it will magically work out better a second time just because it's a different crop of AAA console game spinoffs, when the Uncharted game on Vita (a AAA console series in its own right as a portable offering) shows an actual case scenario that it doesn't seem to work to generate sales on this specific platform, it's easy to understand where the doubt coming from. Fool me once, and all that.
outunderthestars
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console spinoff's work for portable platforms.
Look at the top selling PSP games
They are all spinoffs console games. They did quite well for the system. And the system itself it really well overall, selling 75 million units. What you won't find on the list of best selling PSP games is a single portable specific IP. Sony made quite a few over the lifespan of the PSP but none took off. Their market wanted more console like experiences.
I like that there are two portables that are not offering the same experiences. They are both awesome and engaging in different ways. Sadly the market doesn't seem large enough this generation to support two dedicated handhelds. That said, I don't really think that there is anything Sony themselves can do to change that.
chickdigger802
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You know what could push systems? If the A team of a dev, makes a true/numbered sequel of a top franchise exclusive for vita.
Like Valkyria Chronicles, but for a franchise that sells!
Like Valkyria Chronicles, but for a franchise that sells!
RSLAEV
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the vita needed memorable, original *exclusive* ip's to make it stand out in this saturated landscape. Not sequels, not ports.
Gravity Rush is an original title, but can anyone name the main character?
Console exclusives are an essential part of a new system's identity. Games like Uncharted and Assassin's Creed may play great on the Vita, but they don't make me want to buy one because I can get a very similar experience on systems I already own.
Gravity Rush is an original title, but can anyone name the main character?
Console exclusives are an essential part of a new system's identity. Games like Uncharted and Assassin's Creed may play great on the Vita, but they don't make me want to buy one because I can get a very similar experience on systems I already own.
mocolostrocolos
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Stop porting PS3 games and make excluive titles for PSV.
That's how you get into the market.
That's how you get into the market.
They're sort-of right, in that it's what *some* people want, and they believe that those people are the ones who currently own a Vita. The problem is that I don't think that's as large an audience as it needs to be for that to be a viable long-term prospect.
i think those people also own a ps3, that's why they want a console experience on the go. think about those people who are buying 3ds and its games. nintendo tries to get away from the console experience on the go thing and makes unique experiences for the handheld. that's what vita needs.
DeaconKnowledge
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Apparently Vita is Kaz' baby. At this point I think that's the only reason Vita still exists. It seems the rest of Sony has already abandoned it.
I'd rather have exclusive gameplay styles with the same old "ip's" if I had to choose. Dressing up tired old gameplay ideas with a new avatar is not a system selling idea.
I think we both agree that just porting things that work better on a big screen is the worst of both worlds though.
its not that complicated, is it? 3DS sales sucked before massive price drop...
yeah, im not really hearing sony's 1st party devs talking about it. it's like they don't care. naughty gods should save vita
chickdigger802
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And Mario and Mario kart and monhun might have helped.
Sho_Nuff82
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Yeah they kind of do, at least in the West.
I refuse to believe that the Vita is moving to Sony's expectations though, their projection is 10 million units by March. That simply isn't going to happen at the current price.
DeaconKnowledge
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But Naughty Dog flat out said that they're not making anything for Vita, and won't be. I find that appalling - you would never hear a Nintendo or MS controlled developer talk like that, even if it were true. Your most exalted internal developer infers that handhelds are below them?!
I don't mind console style games but their biggest games this fall right now are all PS3 ports. Assassin's Creed is the only unique one and we have no idea how that will shape up, or if Ubi will mail that one in.
But the smash bros clone and Sly 4, why the fuck would I buy a vita for those when I have a ps3? Even if I had a vita why would I fork over anywhere between an extra $20-$40 to play what's probably going to be a slightly lesser version?
But the smash bros clone and Sly 4, why the fuck would I buy a vita for those when I have a ps3? Even if I had a vita why would I fork over anywhere between an extra $20-$40 to play what's probably going to be a slightly lesser version?
Kat's a pretty memorable character. The only reason you may not know her name is because SCE isn't spending much marketing it. Her character design, voice, and name are all more unique than the equivalent on Nathan Drake.
That makes no sense.
Do you know Kaz Hirai is the CEO, right?
The rest of Sony can't abandon the Vita if the president is behind it.
And yet, there they go.
They may still be handling the Vita after a fashion, sure, but after a point isn't malicious mismanagement of a product basically abandonment?
The thing I was trying to say is that nothing points at Vita being Kaz's baby
Were nowhere near the level of vita sales.
DeaconKnowledge
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I don't mean literal abandonment. I mean the rest of Sony doesn't believe in the Vita like Kaz does.
Opus Angelorum
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I know Sony have to appear confident, but internally there is no way they can be satisfied with the performance of both hardware and software.
To limit a product to such a specific consumer group is insane, it just speaks of the arrogant attitude Sony had during the last generation.
To limit a product to such a specific consumer group is insane, it just speaks of the arrogant attitude Sony had during the last generation.
I give you that SCEA doesn't believe in dedicated handheld gaming. But until proven otherwise, it is also true that outside of Japan no one seem to give a fuck about dedicated handheld gaming anymore.
And I don't get why you are singling Kaz in believing in the Vita. I haven't seen anything pointing that.
Ah. Well, you may be right there. If anyone like Kaz or Shu actually does give a shit about the Vita, now might be a good time to backhand some sense into SCEA. Starting with Koller.
Don't get me wrong: I completely agree with you. I just think I see his logic, although I also see what I believe is a massive flaw in it.
Limiting a product to such a specific consumer group is extremely shortsighted. Specifically aiming your product at cannibalizing your other product is what's truly insane. Is it really better for Sony if I buy Sly Cooper on Vita for $39.99 instead of on PS3 for $49.99 or $59.99? How can anyone think this is a good strategy?
Opus Angelorum
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Well again they are assuming you will buy both, because you are devoted.