Well to be fair, Silver V is like the standard area that people new to ranked are placed in.
League of Legends |OT13| Diamond is Unreachable
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no telling. legit playing with bronze 2-3.
.edit: where is fuzzery at!? we need to duo some.
Bumbletron
Member
As someone new to the game, it's very annoying going against people with full runes and a keystone in normals. I'm already at a disadvantage by being new, but having to lane against someone and seeing thunderlord's or something in loading before every game is a bit tilting. It'd be nice to go against others without those small advantages once in a while.
EzekelRAGE
Member
After this load will be home 2mrw for a few days.
I'm just a truckin koggy.
I'm just a truckin koggy.
I was watching minishcap's stream a while ago, and got to see a game where his Elise jg player eventually asked her team if she should get at least one armor item against a full-AD team, and another where he got a Zac jungle that kept leaping into 1v5s and dying for no good reason while building full AP. I also saw his teammates make some pretty awful mistakes that I didn't expect diamond-tier players to make, and yet they did. I guess some people could've been boosted into those games, but it looks like players are still likely to make some pretty awful mistakes regardless of their division.
Then again, watching minishcap made me feel kind of bad for his teammates because of how easily he got tilted into calling his teammates names and continously cursing at the stream.
One thing I noticed is that Edge of Night is really OP against Singed since he can't pop it with anything, and it's probably pretty easy to prepare the spellshield in time even if the RG+ult+ghosts into you. Maybe you could pop the RG slow early if that does trigger the shield in order to get a fling in, though.
While it could just be matchmaking not working all that well for you, if you're getting paired up against higher-level opponents than you when playing solo it might also mean that you're considerably better than people on your same level. You will be eating thunderlord procs and getting beat at math by better runes, but you can play around some of those advantages with smart play.
this nunu dude is exactly why using a semi automated system is alright, it lets the community decide what they think about these kinds of situations without depending on riot to moderate
doesn't matter if he's "folowing the rules", nobody likes playing with this guy and his way of playing the game that's only fun for him, so the community collectively gets to tell him to fuck off
it doesn't matter if he wins or loses, if people doesn't like what he's doing they're gonna report him and he's gonna get banned
it's a 10 player game, you shouldn't get to force your weirdo way of playing on other people
doesn't matter if he's "folowing the rules", nobody likes playing with this guy and his way of playing the game that's only fun for him, so the community collectively gets to tell him to fuck off
it doesn't matter if he wins or loses, if people doesn't like what he's doing they're gonna report him and he's gonna get banned
it's a 10 player game, you shouldn't get to force your weirdo way of playing on other people
Peanut Butter
Member
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"You're not doing anything wrong, but I don't like the way you play, so enjoy the ban"
You guys crack me up sometimes.
Peanut Butter
Member
What this guy is doing isn't what you do tho. You've said that you do things like AFK at fountain/leave games if people don't surrender (which is why some of LoLGAF still wonders how you haven't gotten hit with a ban). This dude is just picking an off-meta playstyle.
If you want to pretend someone dropping ranks and goofing off "works"...yeah...sure...
Like actually hilarious that people stand up for this kind of player. If Riot goes back on this ban, which is some pitiful 14 day slap on the wrist, I'll be super mad...some random post off reddit said:
Peanut Butter
Member
BreezyLimbo
Banned
you're telling me I can't play teemo every game in whatever lane I like even though rito has enforced the meta consistently for the past couple years even to the point where they pinpoint nerfed meta breaking things like lane swaps?
say it ain't so
Y'all be acting like they said that it's okay to troll pick. They just said that the rules aren't clear and that since they aren't clear that it's unfair to ban someone.
They could very well come back next week with a detailed post explaining what the rule is with examples and shit and enforce it from that moment forward.
They could very well come back next week with a detailed post explaining what the rule is with examples and shit and enforce it from that moment forward.
Stone Ocean
Member
There's a huge difference between picking an off meta picks - ie Teemo support - and trying to come up with a new role.
I don't necessarily agree with lifting the ban but Riot needs to crack down on this because it's a big grey area.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
so you're saying Riot should enforce the meta and cut down on experimentation.
Can't have it both ways! Seriously I always hated how Rito pidgenholed the meta into what it is.
Peanut Butter
Member
And from that moment forward, people who "troll pick" will be breaking a rule, and I won't defend them. The only reason I've been defending the Nunu one trick is because he got punished for breaking a nonexistent rule, not because I support his playstyle.
Stone Ocean
Member
In a solo Q enviroment? Yes they very much should do so. If I'm getting matched with strangers then I want a baseline of what to expect. That said, that doesn't mean there isn't room for experimentation and variety. I'm willing to give things a try as long as they adhere to those baselines - you can pick anything you want top lane as long as you go well, top lane and solo lane there and so on.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
The only reason you need to have that sterile experience, is because riot has balanced themselves into that corner. The tower changes aimed at killing lane swaps, the way they've constantly tinkered with experience, etc.
And it's lame.
Stone Ocean
Member
I'd rather have a "sterile" experience than have a 3 lane ARAM meta. I play this to have fun not to enable special snowflakes who want to innovate.
Also I don't understand why you keep harping about lane swaps when they have never been used in regular play and in competitive play they completely killed 1112 becoming THE meta so what Riot did in that situation was the opposite of enforcing the meta.
Also I don't understand why you keep harping about lane swaps when they have never been used in regular play and in competitive play they completely killed 1112 becoming THE meta so what Riot did in that situation was the opposite of enforcing the meta.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
It was enroaching solo queue as well. I hated the lane swap meta in ranked back when it was popular, but you know it was part of the game.
And by killing lane swaps, they enforced the 1112 meta..? as far as I know that is STILL the meta. Unless there's a 11111 or its reverted to 212 I don't know of lol? Rito killed the 2111 meta.
Black-Wind
Member
Oh, It seems like I'm not alone.
Others with ATT in NA are having their normal 30ish ping now be 94 recently/ today.
Others with ATT in NA are having their normal 30ish ping now be 94 recently/ today.
Stone Ocean
Member
No it wasn't lol, you'd see some people try it out and fail miserably but it was never a legit solo Q thing because lane swaps simply don't work without comms. It required careful rotations and warding as a team-wide effort. I can count on my fingers how many times I saw laneswaps in high ELO games in the 3 years they were meta and I have never seen any swaps in my own games.
it's not "me" that doesn't enjoy it, it's the entire community
to trigger a ban you need to get reported A LOT, if he gets banned it means that people don't like playing with him and whatever defense he finds in the ruleset is more of a loophole than a real argument
it's the "gg ez" thing, you may think it's hilarious and i personally think is kind of hilarious but most people think it's mean so if you say "gg ez" ppl at the end of every game you'll probably get a chat ban
the community decides what they're ok with and what they're not, fake support nunu is not something anyone wants to deal with, so fuck off to the dude that thinks they're above the rest. it's not an "off meta pick", he's actively ruining other people's games
riot undoing the ban cos their rules aren't very clear is fine, even if it's a bit disappointing, but in the end i think it's good that the community decides in these cases what we're all cool with and what we're not
Hydrophobic
Member
Nobody was coordinated enough to do lane swaps. Riot did not do the tower change to prevent lane swaps in soloqueue. I think you have a valid complaint about balancing to force 1-1-1-2 in competitive, because that's absolutely what the tower changes were aimed at doing. But I never *once* ran into a laneswap in silver and I have trouble believing many other people did.
exactly
riot didn't enforce anything, laneswaps existed for like 3 years and nobody ever laneswapped in solo q
at the same time, laneswaps had grown very predictable and boring to watch, with teams beating each other off who bounced the wave better than actual pvp. at one point there was strategic depth to it, but by the time they killed them there was nothing salvageable
and nowadays there are laneswaps in pro play, it's just not he norm and it usually happens as a reaction to a lane going bad or an imminent dive or whatever. it's often a conscious tradeoff, of teams sometimes giving up bot tower and dragon for top tower in an attempt to cut their losses, and it's way more interesting than before
BreezyLimbo
Banned
it only worked in competitive and yet they killed it. They buffed top tower. I would say during the hey day of the strat, 1 out of 4 games tried the strat. Maybe it didn't work, but a strat is a strat.
it was a case of riot stifling something different, while it was new. It's a case of killing something that wasn't their definition of meta. And whether it was boring to watch or not, that's not a reason to kill off a strategy. That's just being pedantic on riots part. They killed experimentation, and said 'no you have to play this way.'
nope, during its entire existence it was in 9/10 games
BreezyLimbo
Banned
the point is
a strat is a strat whether it works or not. Rito killing it just enforced what they think the meta should be
Stone Ocean
Member
Breezy do you even watch competitive lol, Riot didn't do anything while it was "new", it took them 3 years of laneswaps being in almost every single game before Riot did anything conclusive about it, every change before that was aimed at making regular lanes equally viable but none of them worked.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
3 years
did we play the same game
when they were meta for a year they were stamped out. It didn't last 3 years in competitive. Conversely, feel free to find me a 2 competitive games 3 years apart before the change.
Hydrophobic
Member
They were meta for at least 2 years. What you're remembering is that it started out as a decent strategy, and then as people figured out how to do it well it became the only strategy.
Orochinagis
Member
Braum is the antiproyectile support, fuck you Fortune
He is such a great counter to the Jhin/Varus/mf meta.
His passive is the greatest thing though. Just land a couple autos and your team can put in some work.
Stone Ocean
Member
they didn't enforce anything, they supported lane swaps for years until they became so unwatchable they had to kill them
I really can't wrap my head around using him, probably for the same reason I suck at playing Taric and Janna. Having two out of three non-ult abilities that are meant to protect my teammates coupled with being a melee champion makes him really awkard for me. The only thing I actually like about him is his "¡Llegó el bigote!" line that plays when he uses his jump in the latin VOs.
I also finally got m7 on Nami after getting my third S-rank game since I leveled her up to m6. I might be a one-trick pony, but am proud of my performance when playing her. It's also cool that I'm slowly buy surely learning more macro aspects of the game now that I need to devote less of a mindshare to actually playing her compared to other champions.