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Can anyone who owns an amd zen rig tell the different issues between Intel and amd? Cause I'm hesitant to switch to amd.
I think Amd is better for gaming and Intel for productivity atleast in some cases.
Can anyone who owns an amd zen rig tell the different issues between Intel and amd? Cause I'm hesitant to switch to amd.
Extra sucky if the ps5 pro doesn’t use itZen5 is on 3nm
Zen5 is on N4PZen5 is on 3nm
Zen 5 being on n4p would then make it extra Disappointing if the ps5 pro doesn’t use it considering it’s the expected process node for the proZen5 is on N4P
Zen5c is on N3
Not really since Sony have a limited transistor budget and it makes more sense to use that budget on the GPU.Zen 5 being on n4p would then make it extra Disappointing if the ps5 pro doesn’t use it considering it’s the expected process node for the pro
Zen 5 shouldn’t be that much more expensive in 2024 compared to zen 2 in 2020 and the pro is gonna be sold at a premiumNot really since Sony have a limited transistor budget and it makes more sense to use that budget on the GPU.
Why aren't they calling the next one 8950x?
Why aren't they calling the next one 8950x?
Zen 4 has 73% more transistors per chiplet than Zen 2, so we would expect Zen 5 to be about 2.5X more. That's almost 6 billion transistors that you could spend on the GPU. If the Pro has 60 CUs + Zen 2, then the Zen 5 version might only have 48 CUs.I’
Zen 5 shouldn’t be that much more expensive in 2024 compared to zen 2 in 2020 and the pro is gonna be sold at a premium
No competition this time. AMD will compete with itself until Medusa.Zen 5 shouldn’t be that much more expensive in 2024
Those slides +- true. for realThe source is RGT.
because amd drivers are garbage
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Considered that, but under full load in CPU intensive games I barely break 80. The high load is OK, it's the medium load, like Steam downloads, that's a little surprising.
intel here but my experience with amd ( both cpu and gpu) is that they run fast buggy and hotCan anyone who owns an amd zen rig tell the different issues between Intel and amd? Cause I'm hesitant to switch to amd.
Compared to Nvidia on the GPU side they do use more power and run hotter. But on the CPU side, it's Intel who has the hotter chips. The 14900K can hit over 250W turboing and requires a high performance cooling solution. AMD on the other hand sips power. If it's used for gaming, AMD's CPUs are actually better to undervolt which lowers their power draw from stock, but since it produces less heat they maintain higher boost clocks longer. AMD is just conservative when it comes to power requirements.intel here but my experience with amd ( both cpu and gpu) is that they run fast buggy and hot
I despise dudes who only fantasize upcoming tech but don't like released products for what they're, it's not like he's taking shortcuts, his content is basically useless cause he's not really into practical use of these products, this is stupid and only serve the adds he get sponsored, the type of contents he's delivering isn't meaningful, he's not telling why these products are amazing, he's just fantasizing them.This will age badly.
sounds like cherry picking cause the 14900k is clearly meant for performance at the cost of power consumption. what about all their other chips. amd plays a cheap marketing strategy and tries to court gamers who want the most bang for their buck, their drivers cut corners and have huge compatibility issues outside gaming. for example pytorch only supports amd gpu on linuxCompared to Nvidia on the GPU side they do use more power and run hotter. But on the CPU side, it's Intel who has the hotter chips. The 14900K can hit over 250W turboing and requires a high performance cooling solution. AMD on the other hand sips power. If it's used for gaming, AMD's CPUs are actually better to undervolt which lowers their power draw from stock, but since it produces less heat they maintain higher boost clocks longer. AMD is just conservative when it comes to power requirements.
OK, then look at the 14700K vs the 7800X3D power draw during gaming. AMD has at least 1/2 the power draw, and can be a 1/3 Intel's for some games.sounds like cherry picking cause the 14900k is clearly meant for performance at the cost of power consumption. what about all their other chips. amd plays a cheap marketing strategy and tries to court gamers who want the most bang for their buck, their drivers cut corners and have huge compatibility issues outside gaming. for example pytorch only supports amd gpu on linux
The 13400F is competitive but other Intel chips get soundly beaten. Nothing can touch the efficiency of the 7800X3D in gaming.sounds like cherry picking cause the 14900k is clearly meant for performance at the cost of power consumption. what about all their other chips. amd plays a cheap marketing strategy and tries to court gamers who want the most bang for their buck, their drivers cut corners and have huge compatibility issues outside gaming. for example pytorch only supports amd gpu on linux
That thread is from over three years ago and discusses issues where pytorch isn't detecting CPU features correctly, and thus ends up using slower code.not up to date on amd things but i also just found this about ryzen cpus and pytorch basically they run slow to the point of almost not being worth it
Can't run Intel MKL? What is surpisedabout ryzen cpus and pytorch basically they run slow to the point of almost not being worth it
At most I hit the 40's Air cooled...It's not. While downloading files, Steam decompresses a ton of data, because games are stored compressed in their servers to save space and bandwidth.
And if someone has a fast internet connection, it means the CPU will always have work to do, decompressing files.
And of course, a 7800X3D, has double the cores of a 6700K. Has higher clock speeds, higher TDP. So the CPU can heat up a bit during Steam downloads.
Still, 60ºC is nothing special for modern CPUs and no reason to worry about.
At most I hit the 40's Air cooled...
My 7800x3D kicks ass, but I will say that the fans spin up the moment I move my mouse. File Explorer makes more noise than a full game under load with my old CPU (6700k).
9950x3D here I come!
No competition this time. AMD will compete with itself until Medusa.
I do more then gaming9800X3D, single-CCX CPUs perform better in games
Question I've been wondering is, what about the physical nature of the chips has changed? Before this chip, I think every CPU I've ever owned has had a tjmax in the 60s. What I'm wondering is, if the silicon is the same and companies are just comfy with higher temps, could old chips with a 63tjmax be safely overridden to 90c?The 13400F is competitive but other Intel chips get soundly beaten. Nothing can touch the efficiency of the 7800X3D in gaming.
AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D Review - The Best Gaming CPU
AMD's Ryzen 7 7800X3D is everything that gamers want: eight fast cores, in a single CCD, with 3D VCache stacked on top at a price point of $450. In our review we can confirm that 7800X3D is indeed the fastest gaming CPU available, beating Intel's 13900K and even the 7950X3D.www.techpowerup.com
Zen 4 is designed to hit 90C safely and the 13th gen Intel chips are similar.
But of an outdated view when it's Intel's 14k CPUs that are crashing games because they're unstable and juicing a lot of power.intel here but my experience with amd ( both cpu and gpu) is that they run fast buggy and hot
Question I've been wondering is, what about the physical nature of the chips has changed? Before this chip, I think every CPU I've ever owned has had a tjmax in the 60s. What I'm wondering is, if the silicon is the same and companies are just comfy with higher temps, could old chips with a 63tjmax be safely overridden to 90c?
For a while there, he had been less hostile with AMD until Intel that shit known as 14th gen and said it was a good release.Only comes for negative AMD anything.
That thread is from over three years ago and discusses issues where pytorch isn't detecting CPU features correctly, and thus ends up using slower code.
The testing is on Zen 2 which is two generations behind. I don't work with machine learning, but AMD has ZenDNN which supposedly integrates and accelerates pytorch.
https://www.amd.com/en/developer/zendnn.html
Perhaps you should stop telling other people to read, and read the things presented to you first. The page I linked has compiled versions of the pytorch runtime on it that were optimized by AMD for their hardware. Your several years out of date arguments were that the math library Intel wrote and optimized for their CPUs wasn't performing well on AMD CPUs. Well AMD wrote their own library to fix this. CPU's don't really have drivers like you keep going on about. There could be a driver to interface with some specific feature, but not for general usage compute, you instead have libraries that programs need to compiled or linked to, for it to be utilized.right, read the thread my dude the OP is asking why pytorch runs slower with AMD as if the onus is on individual developers to make up for shortcomings in drivers, the top response basically explains that the onus is on the manufacturer that provides the drivers and is something that intel and nvidia have always done and AMD has not.
i'm not familiar with this other thing you linked to but i would take a closer read yourself, seems like it's just for inference on CPUs. i wouldn't try and reach or grasp for straws in this kind of argument it's clear AMD is not this kind of company and are always just playing catch up, they would never have innovated this tech on their own, getting back to my original argument that they can't even write decent drivers.
it wasn't my argument it was just a discussion i linked to, and how old it is is irrelevant because it involves amds approach in writing their drivers, i'm not gong to spoon feed it to you. what you linked to seems to only involve inference, maybe you should read up on that since you said yourself you don't know much about ML. of course cpus have chipset drivers my dudePerhaps you should stop telling other people to read, and read the things presented to you first. The page I linked has compiled versions of the pytorch runtime on it that were optimized by AMD for their hardware. Your several years out of date arguments were that the math library Intel wrote and optimized for their CPUs wasn't performing well on AMD CPUs. Well AMD wrote their own library to fix this. CPU's don't really have drivers like you keep going on about. There could be a driver to interface with some specific feature, but not for general usage compute, you instead have libraries that programs need to compiled or linked to, for it to be utilized.
AMD has done well in current day HPC, and many companies are moving away from Intel due to AMD being able to fit 96 cores with 192 threads in a single socket for a CPU you can buy today. Intel's previously maxed out at 54 cores, 108 threads. But supposedly Sierra Forest is releasing in the next three months and will have up to 288 cores, but those are all Intel E cores. It could still be an amazing processor depending on your work load, but it will be clocked lower, and feature wise is cut down from the standard performance cores.
But I get it your world view is that an Intel and NVIDIA system is the bestest, and the AMDumbs don't know what they are talking about. AMD just can't innovate and create industry standards like Vulken or FSR, excpect they did. Or create the hardware for all of the video games consoles outside of the almost decade old Switch hardware. So far a single handheld PC has been released with Intel hardware, and it's a completely flop even compared to the over two year old Steam Deck.
Possibly not faster at all since we’ll be GPU-limited anyway. Will be good for those on older systems though.
Key word: Chipset. That isn't a CPU driver, its a chipset driver. You know, for the other chips on the motherboard.it wasn't my argument it was just a discussion i linked to, and how old it is is irrelevant because it involves amds approach in writing their drivers, i'm not gong to spoon feed it to you. what you linked to seems to only involve inference, maybe you should read up on that since you said yourself you don't know much about ML. of course cpus have chipset drivers my dude
Of course, but the Zen 3 CPUs are so good that unless you really have bottom-tier parts, you'll very likely be GPU-limited. The upcoming series is good for people on Zen 2 or before. Zen 3 owners won't need to upgrade for at least another generation or two. Hell, you can ride high-end CPUs close to a decade and remain GPU-limited provided you target high enough resolutions.Depends entirely on the GPU and rendering resolution.
I use an AMD rig and an sell computers with it. I sell more AMD than Intel since Zen 2 and after putting up hundreds of computers with Ryzens (and sometime low end Athlons too) I can assure you, you won't regret changing. No problems, at all. Intel since 11th gen is what AMD was with the FX line: Hot, expensive, and the higher end line is problematic.Can anyone who owns an amd zen rig tell the different issues between Intel and amd? Cause I'm hesitant to switch to amd.