pacman4000
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PS Portable will most likely be slower than PS5 (especially raster performance) but thanks to that small 1080p screen and modern features like ML upscaling it will hopefully be perceived as it offers similar performance.
[MLiD] PS6 Dockable Handheld Leak: AMD Canis Specs CRUSH XBOX Ally X!
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SplunkyMunkey
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Could use a bigger screen ive seen or majority of us seen handhelds that has a 1800p size screen with same amd apu the extreme Z2 with good amount of ram. And if the specs of the ps6 handheld supposedly be more powerful then extreme Z2 with good amount of ram sony could easily have a 1440p or 1800p screen expecially with pssr 2 or fsr 4
yogaflame
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We shall see if Sony and Cerny had develop a technology possibly AI related to scale down a game for portable purposes, without a need of compromise to the main console game. I hope it will not be another xbox series s situatuon. That will not be a good model. Look how it affected allot of multiplatform games especially the final product for the main consoles like ps5 and xbox series x. Optimization is bad, game is downscaled and added cost and time to the developers.
yogaflame
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For me just this three feautures will suffice: Native 4k/60 fps with Raytracing all running at the same time. But again the most important element for next gen hardware is the games, especially exclusives.
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Felessan
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Believing in "AI tool" is like believing in alien technology
No AI downscale tool would solve a) CPU bottleneck, b) memory speed bottleneck, c) IO speed bottleneck.
GPU load can be scaled both ways but if you hit those lower bounds you are fucked and no AI will solve it for you. Some things has a fixed footprint or scale poorly with graphics settings - logic, animations, physics, audio etc. These stuff need to be properly checked on slower device and adjusted if there are problems.
This is why upscaling to more powerfull device is much easier than downscaling.
yogaflame
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It is almost like the goal for a perfect miniaturization technology. Downscaling might be the new holy grail in technology especially in gaming. Haha! Since I'm from the 80's, it reminds me of the movies Innerspace, and Honey I shrunk the kids, or newer movies like Antman were the goal is perfect miniaturization without compromise.
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StereoVsn
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Prepare to pay $1000+ if you want these sorts of specs. Look at Z2E handheld prices and bump that shit up. Sony won't be subsidizing hardware much if at all.
SplunkyMunkey
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Not really they really they can have less ram
Not really they could have a 24gb of ram with an 8 inch screen or a 7.4inch max 1200p or 1440p with an ips or oled screen with vrr and support up to 120hz thanks to pssr 2 and fsr 4 and other handhelds dont support them. And MLID pretty stated should outperform Xbox ally x and that has a Z2 extreme
DenchDeckard
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The ally x is out in a month and a half. It would be terrible if this rumoured late 2027 system isnt more powerful.
Radical_3d
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It wouldn't if it cost 500$.
StereoVsn
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It's not going to cost $500. Hell, Z1E devices still generally cost more than that unless you get OG Ally on discount.
Gameplay Gods Bless
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Sega brought discs to consoles and Nintendo brought analog controllers and rumble (pack) on the n64, Sony then went oh shit me too and decided to add 2 analog and 2 rumble motors on their controller and called it the "dualshock".
Felessan
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If AI can do miniaturization properly, all systems included, it can write game properly, vastly reducing development times and increasing quality.
A dream so far away.
Actually miniaturization is usually more complex task that doing from scratch to a smaller scale
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reinking
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Sega was more popular globally but I believe NEC was the first to actually have a CD. There were a couple leading up to the Sega CD so my memory might be off. I mentioned the dual shock because I felt like the dual analogue sticks was a bigger change in the overall landscape of gaming.
pacman4000
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They could. But I don't see why they would.
Bojji
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Look how Sony fanboys (that shitted all over Series S) will defend this piece of shit.
GymWolf
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A portable is even worse than series s, we saw how the "on paper more powerful than a ps4" sw2 is having troubles with third parties.
Inb4 "acktually ps6 portable is more powerful than series s" and completely missing the point of having a slightly more powerful series S in 2028 or later as baseline for first party games.
But but games are scalable, you can play cyberpunk in a pentium 3...wait
bighugeguns
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Maybe we've got a next true PSP on our hands, that would be dope.
Zacfoldor
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I think the OP is speculation, I don't think it will have that much ram and I think we will get baby steps into fake halfass ai instead of a full native llm running at the same time as games.
LLM running concurrently with next gen game would be cool but big doubt. Huge. This won't happen. 40gb of ram? I'll be shocked. Console hardware is never that good and it won't start being now. We will have shit ai for the whole next gen with gimped ram, watch.
The bad parts of this is likely true.
Sonybox Series S here we come. Why does Sony think I want to save energy? If anything, I want to spend it faster. If you want to save energy go back in time and don't make Madame Web.
LLM running concurrently with next gen game would be cool but big doubt. Huge. This won't happen. 40gb of ram? I'll be shocked. Console hardware is never that good and it won't start being now. We will have shit ai for the whole next gen with gimped ram, watch.
The bad parts of this is likely true.
Sonybox Series S here we come. Why does Sony think I want to save energy? If anything, I want to spend it faster. If you want to save energy go back in time and don't make Madame Web.
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hououinkyouma00
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Please no. This shouldn't be any bigger then the Portal screen wise and 1080p is fine and will be for awhile.
There is no world in which the performance hit is worth the hit.
GymWolf
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Don't care for portables so if i have to be selfish, i hope it's all a ruse...
viveks86
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Same here. But these nerds have been talking about it so much that it has convinced me to buy one.
I have no shame
mckmas8808
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There's just literally NO WAY an actual LLM is going to be running on the PS6. Can we please stop this non-sense?
Nah LOL!
A portable is even worse than series s, we saw how the "on paper more powerful than a ps4" sw2 is having troubles with third parties.
Inb4 "acktually ps6 portable is more powerful than series s" and completely missing the point of having a slightly more powerful series S in 2028 or later as baseline for first party games.
But but games are scalable, you can play cyberpunk in a pentium 3...wait
This is ONLY if Playstation requires every PS6 game to run on the PS Next-gen handheld.
mckmas8808
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Same here. But these nerds have been talking about it so much that it has convinced me to buy one.
I have no shame
The idea and practically of the Steam Deck is obvious and amazing! Why wouldn't you and anybody else not like the idea of playing PS4, PS5, and some PS6 games away from our couch?
GymWolf
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I mean, why even making a ps6 portable that can't run ps6 games?
What would be the angle to sell that thing if they don't go the switch route?
At the very best, they are gonna divide teams to make multiple games for both ps6 and portable and we are gonna get even lower quality games than we got this gen instead of having a team focused on 1 project, they already did this shit with the gaas projects that every team is working on right now, they are gonna do it again with portable games (AND gaas if even one of the titles they are making is successful as helldivers 2 or even close to that)
For people who just want a solid, powerfull home console and focus on single player games that push the envelope, this is the worst timeline possible.
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viveks86
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I love the idea now. I used to not want to play games outside of the living room, as a way of self discipline. But fuck self discipline. YOLO.
I'm just afraid IF Sony would make compatibility mandatory. I don't think they will. But what if….
Cross gen limbo forever!
GymWolf
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Convinced you to buy what exactly?Same here. But these nerds have been talking about it so much that it has convinced me to buy one.
I have no shame
Are ps6 portable preorders already open?
mckmas8808
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It'll run PS6 games. It just might not run them all. And there's almost 0% chance Sony will MANDATE it to run all PS6 games. This PS handheld isn't not a Switch. It's Playstation's Steam Deck, to the PC. It's an extra. A side quest to playing your games.
I love the idea now. I used to not want to play games outside of the living room, as a way of self discipline. But fuck self discipline. YOLO.
I'm just afraid IF Sony would make compatibility mandatory. I don't think they will. But what if….
Cross gen limbo forever!
LOL @ your YOLO! But yeah....Playstation is very well known to almost never mandate anything. They don't even mandate the use of PSSR in games for PS5 Pro for instance.
Let's see if we'll have developers complaining publicly, just like we did with the Xbox SS.
But you can be sure there won't be any demented lunatics saying that the portable PS6 is "faster" or has higher FPS than a Microsoft home console.
And if it appears, you can be sure that there won't be 11 thousand lunatics "liking" it, because the lunatic sect is only on one side, the side that thanked God went bankrupt and ended up dead.
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GymWolf
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Every game that has to run on a shitty portable is gonna be ruined in the altar of crossplaying.
Imagine how hyped am i to pray that at the end of every sony trailer there is not a small text that says "also playable on ps6 portable".
Imagine that.
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DAHGAMING
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My wife watches cunts cooking, pottery programes and love Island trash on my tv, I sit in the corner on an old rug with the dogs mauling me and try to get abit of time on the ROG Ally, am I not a modern man ?
GymWolf
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Dude you can't serve me these jokes on a silver platter, cmon
viveks86
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Something I can play in bed. Wife usually sleeps early and dozes off in the couch while I'm playing. As we get older, it just ain't that comfortable anymore and I feel bad for her. Now I can just take it to the bedroom as I'm a night owl and need my daily gaming fix.Convinced you to buy what exactly?
Are ps6 portable preorders already open?
I've tried the PS remote app and it feels so clunky on the phone. Even tried a phone mount from Amazon. Considering the PS Portable, but if this thing is coming out in 2 years, I might as well wait a little longer.
Yeah until proven otherwise, I'm going to assume this would be an option like "Pro Enhanced" or PSVR support. All the PS5 games would need to be patched anyway, so mandatory compatibility across the board is already a non starter.
Does that reduce the value prop for the handheld? It sure does. But there's no precedent for this with Sony. It's not their style.
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mckmas8808
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I imagine many games won't need the power of the PS6 to be played. At some point in this tech chase, not all games will need or use Path Trace RT lighting and need to be native 4K at 60 fps at all times. I'm thinking games like......
GymWolf
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I have a pc for these type of games, sony console is for AAA first parties and what i except sony to deliver.I imagine many games won't need the power of the PS6 to be played. At some point in this tech chase, not all games will need or use Path Trace RT lighting and need to be native 4K at 60 fps at all times. I'm thinking games like......
viveks86
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I thought you gave up on that expectation after seeing Ghost of Yotei
GymWolf
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Growing up i always loved portables, but now i have huge hands that make playing on every portable a chinese torture (yes i tried aftermarlet grips) and nowadays playing something more than a shitty pixelated indie on a portable with a shitty screen, shitty speakers and shitty small controls would feel like completely ruining the game for me.
I would not even play an high level indie with good graphic and audio and gameplay like hades on a portable.
If i don't have time to play on the big screen, i just don't play at all, i know it's not a choice for mamy people but i can still chose and i chose fuck portables.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Oh well....some of sir don't have a PC for gaming.
GymWolf
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like confucio said many times, new gen, new hope.I thought you gave up on that expectation after seeing Ghost of Yotei
Maybe sony is gonna pull their head out of their ass to breath a little...
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GymWolf
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Never said that my opinion is the universally correct one for everyone, of course people who love portables, don't have a pc and are ok with lower tecnological standard are gonna be happy for this.
I said exactly what type of people are not gonma be happy about this in one of my previous posts.
Loxus
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Why not?
This site has the RTX 3060 Ti 8GB for example being capable.
Choosing the Right NVIDIA GPU for LLMs on the Ollama Platform
Tiny Models (100M - 2B parameters): These models can often run on consumer-grade GPUs with 2-4GB of VRAM.
Small Models (2B - 10B parameters): These models can often run on consumer-grade GPUs with 6-16GB of VRAM.
Medium Models (10B - 20B parameters): These models typically require 16-24GB of VRAM.
Large Models (20B - 70B parameters): These models need high-end GPUs with 24-48GB of VRAM.
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Shadowstar39
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Calling bs.
No way is Sony going to charge less for a ps6 or handheld, especially with their market position. (This isn't the ps3 days).
I also don't see this having 48gb of ram, or getting ray tracing on a portable device. Then there are battery concerns and power.
The tech isn't there yet. Sure they can add a big bulky battery and a big heatsink/fan but that takes away portability and ascetics. Something Sony is was known for making things sleek.
Switch 2 has almost no heat in handheld that I have felt, and it's light (compared to my bulky steam deck). How they plan to compete here and add more power is yet to be seen.
We will see. I hope I am wrong.
Also they really need to up their game output too. We have limited new 1sty party games as is.
Bottom line is though, those prices. They sound right in a normal timeline but Sony went down the greedy path ever since mid ps4 gen. I don't see them turning back, they just raised the base ps5 prices.
No way is Sony going to charge less for a ps6 or handheld, especially with their market position. (This isn't the ps3 days).
I also don't see this having 48gb of ram, or getting ray tracing on a portable device. Then there are battery concerns and power.
The tech isn't there yet. Sure they can add a big bulky battery and a big heatsink/fan but that takes away portability and ascetics. Something Sony
Switch 2 has almost no heat in handheld that I have felt, and it's light (compared to my bulky steam deck). How they plan to compete here and add more power is yet to be seen.
We will see. I hope I am wrong.
Also they really need to up their game output too. We have limited new 1sty party games as is.
Bottom line is though, those prices. They sound right in a normal timeline but Sony went down the greedy path ever since mid ps4 gen. I don't see them turning back, they just raised the base ps5 prices.
nial
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Radical_3d
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You surely remember a very different 2020 than I do. At least on the matter of unhinged opinions. And as the fanboyest fanboy of Sony I say that if this thing is mandatory for PS6 development then it is a turd. But it will not. This will probably will be a downgrade PS5 portable and you know it.
Bojji
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Conflicting reports so far. It has to be mandatory or it will be PS Vita type of "success".
Microsoft fanboys about series s in 2019: "don't be a fool, it doesn't exist"
Radical_3d
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It'll be a successful enough device if it can just play PS5 games without any patch. Remember that we're in 2025 and there are still PS4 games being released.