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[ArtHands]

How have the PC ports performed so far? Do they perform inline with the hardware? Are there improved effects, textures, etc... or just barebones ports?

There are bunch of exclusive graphical features on PC, which makes them much better. God of War for example, has DLSS, ultrawide, FSR 2.0, true 4K, Nvidia Reflex etc on top of different controller support and more

 

[AREYOUOKAY?]

 

[Goalus]

So what games do you play?

I recently finished Gears 5: Hivebusters.
Before that I was playing Gears Tactics from start to finish on 'Intermediate' level. Currently I am switching between Battle Axe (which has been occupying my time for several weeks now because it is hard and has no save or continue function) and Forza Horizon 3 (to get some of the missing achievements). Next project is Gears Tactics New Game+ on a higher difficulty level.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

I recently finished Gears 5: Hivebusters.
Before that I was playing Gears Tactics from start to finish on 'Intermediate' level. Currently I am switching between Battle Axe (which has been occupying my time for several weeks now because it is hard and has no save or continue function) and Forza Horizon 3 (to get some of the missing achievements). Next project is Gears Tactics New Game+ on a higher difficulty level.

 

[ArtHands]

This will sell millions of units on PC.

Sony has an exciting revenue pipeline coming up from these late ports.

I know people like to hate on Jim Ryan here, but he's going to take PlayStation to another level.

It's like when folks used to sneer about Tim Cook at Apple, but Apple's trending upwards all the time under his watch.

Yes. Releasing games on PC is a brilliant move. I will have more games to play besides PC games, multiplatform games, Xbox games and emulation games on PC now

 

[Gen.Grievous]

Hopefully a good port. I've played Days Gone on PC which was done really well but probably didn't do as good sales wise as Sony hoped. Don't think that will be a problem with Spiderman though.

Much bigger title, a release in a long game drought and possible launch of new Nvidia GPUs.

 

[ArtHands]

I recently finished Gears 5: Hivebusters.
Before that I was playing Gears Tactics from start to finish on 'Intermediate' level. Currently I am switching between Battle Axe (which has been occupying my time for several weeks now because it is hard and has no save or continue function) and Forza Horizon 3 (to get some of the missing achievements). Next project is Gears Tactics New Game+ on a higher difficulty level.

Are Forza Horizon 3 and Gears 5 any good? I just purchased a steering wheel and intend to use it on Forza Horizon 3 in the future.

 

[Cyborg]

Good for the PC players Enjoy one of the best games, its a lot of fun!

 

[yamaci17]

Why wait? Every game I mentioned, God of War, Days Gone, and Horizon I purchased day one on my PS4 and platinumed and then purchased them again on PC. If anything it gave me the benefit to see the difference when it came to the visuals and gameplay improvements. Heck I'm playing Ghost as I take breaks to respond and also have Horizon:FW downloading, and will buy them on PC when they release to experience all the improvements there as well.

To say that you don't see the improvements as worth the cost is one thing and that's a fair argument cause its totally subjective, but to make it seem as if they are totally miniscule by comparison is not fair in the end, and throwing up a screenshot comparison and saying "look see barely any difference" as evidence is pretty lame when a lot of benefits come from the gameplay side of things as well as visual which can't be judged from an image.

anywho, don't buy into his narrative. having high/ultra settings over consoles is not the only reason us folk choose PC over console. there are tons of other reasons. he make it act like its the only thing that would matter, but that's not the case either.

 

[TheGodfather07]

Miles morales would be 2 years old by the time it releases on PC. So day and date still looks a way off. Still no PC ports announced for games like demon souls and ratchet and Clank rift apart.

 

[rofif]

This assumes you're buying a high end PC only to play Spider-Man.

That's a weird assumption/take

I don't understand.
High end gaming pc is for gaming.
But console is also for more games than 1

 

[Neofire]

Miles morales would be 2 years old by the time it releases on PC. So day and date still looks a way off. Still no PC ports announced for games like demon souls and ratchet and Clank rift apart.

You make it seems as if Sony said that they were going to port every single game over to PC and I don't recall any of the leaders at Sony saying EVERY game on their platforms were coming to PC .

They also never said anything about day and date either.

 

[EDMIX]

Now we finally know what Nixxes has been doing. Guess that rumor of them doing Ghost of Sushi was BS.

Well....maybe, maybe not.

I don't know how fast they put this out, but for all we know that is already being worked on or something by them.

I hope those that love superhero games buy it on PC and enjoy, easily one of the best super hero games ever made. The swing mechanic was done just perfectly and how the game feels is the real reason to give a shit about this game. This is the way in my mind a Spiderman game would feel when I imagined it as a kid watching the 90's cartoon. This is one of those things where I wish I can go back in time and play it as a kid at the height of my fandom of this IP, but as an adult I still loved taking a trip down memory lane and enjoying the shit out of this game.

Its fucking insane to think this game is literally about to move even MORE fucking units on a huge install base.

 

[vgcuts]

It does not have a ps5 port.
But you can play it at 60fps almost 4k. I don't have uw monitor and I never care for mods.
I know how it looks. I also purchased it on PS4 and pc.
It's the game that looks most improved on pc and it's still almost 95% identical really.
It looks better and have more options of course.

But I don't think you understand me. It's not some attack. I am just saying it's not that huge big difference where the game suddenly is not 720p, bad textures, missing half effects and runs 24 fps on console.
The games really are mostly identical. Especially comparing to bc mode on ps5.
I would argue other way if I was an ass that pc ports should offer more

I don't agree with this as i played Days Gone on PS4 not that long before i played it on PC. The checkerboard 4k is noticably soft. The native 4k on PC is dramatically sharper. Some of this will come down to eyesight, quality of monitor / TV and how close you sit. Not to mention high / arbitrary frame rates on PC with working VRR ever since 2016.

 

[rofif]

I don't agree with this as i played Days Gone on PS4 not that long before i played it on PC. The checkerboard 4k is noticably soft. The native 4k on PC is dramatically sharper. Some of this will come down to eyesight, quality of monitor / TV and how close you sit. Not to mention high / arbitrary frame rates on PC with working VRR ever since 2016.

It is a bigger difference compared to ps4.
But compared to ps5 bc mode, not massively imo. It's a tad softer but 60fps is there and so on.
And comparing native ps5 games to pc will be even less of a different

 

[MidGenRefresh]

Very cool! I platinumed base Spider-Man game on PS4. Typical open-world stuff but fun traversal make it so it was worthwhile. Even collecting stupid backpacks was acceptable.

I never got myself to play the DLC and when I tried Miles Morales on PS5 I only got to the part where Kid Cudi song was playing.

I will wait for PC version to jump back in.

 

[ArtHands]

Miles morales would be 2 years old by the time it releases on PC. So day and date still looks a way off. Still no PC ports announced for games like demon souls and ratchet and Clank rift apart.

We went from 4-5 years late in 2019 to 2 years late in 2022. Pretty good imo. Not to mention smart since the game can be enjoyed by a drastically larger audience, and with more graphical fidelity / performance options and gameplay options

 

[winjer]

This is a very nice surprise.

 

[phil_t98]

So I think we can now for sure say that Sony is now multi platform as well as Microsoft yes they do it a bit later but they still do it. It's great that the pc is getting these great games to

 

[Pedro Motta]

I really don't understand all the pain about these games coming to PC, let more people enjoy greatness.

 

[SmokedMeat]

Miles morales would be 2 years old by the time it releases on PC. So day and date still looks a way off. Still no PC ports announced for games like demon souls and ratchet and Clank rift apart.

Why jump straight to the PS5 games, when there's plenty of money to be made bringing the big PS4 games over?
Ghost of Tsushima and Last of Us will likely make it as well, and then they'll start bringing the PS5 releases over.

Day and Date will happen eventually. The ports are hitting at a pretty fast rate.

 

[Panajev2001a]

Day and Date will happen eventually. The ports are hitting at a pretty fast rate.

I think day and date will not happen for their big releases outside of their live services games where it makes sense. Expanding their PlayStation audience makes sense, but it makes sense to have a first or best played on PlayStation expectations as they make money on PS subs and on every third party game sale/DLC sale.

Their current strategy allows development studios to focus on a lead platform and with the help of their PC optimisation experts like Nixxes they can take these games, add features and make them more customisable and prettier, and re-release them on PC and expand their first party sales.

 

[MidGenRefresh]

it makes sense to have a first or best played on PlayStation expectations

All the games that they released so far and that I've played (God of War, Days Gone, Horizon Zero Dawn) play way better on PC. It's an unrealistic expectation to have.

 

[Low Moral Fibre]

Even if it's a lazy port there's scope for this to look quite a bit better just by increasing the RT quality as it can be very very low quality on PS5.

120+fps will be nice too as it feels great with the unlocked framerate on PS5 which is like 80-100fps.

 

[Panajev2001a]

All the games that they released so far and that I've played (God of War, Days Gone, Horizon Zero Dawn) play way better on PC. It's an unrealistic expectation to have.

Did you play them first on PC? Nope, first or best on PlayStation (this is what I was saying… but sure in some cases they may be best too). For a lot of people, depending on how beefy their PC and/or how good their monitor is vs their TV the experience may also be best on PlayStation (certainly it is likely to be cheaper there too and simpler to setup and less to nothing to configure, which is a good thing for many console players).

With PSVR2 and PS5 you are thinking at a total HW cost of £780-799 for a very impressive VR experience, this sweetens the deal even further for many.

 

[nani17]

I played GOW on my pc and it was obviously a far better experience than when I played it on my ps4 so I'm looking forward to replying Spider-Man

 

[Panajev2001a]

I played GOW on my pc and it was obviously a far better experience than when I played it on my ps5 so I'm looking forward to replying Spider-Man

Great for you . Great for Sony's publishing arm too.

 

[MidGenRefresh]

Did you play them first on PC? Nope, first or best on PlayStation (this is what I was saying… but sure in some cases they may be best too). For a lot of people, depending on how beefy their PC and/or how good their monitor is vs their TV the experience may also be best on PlayStation (certainly it is likely to be cheaper there too and simpler to setup and less to nothing to configure, which is a good thing for many console players).

With PSVR2 and PS5 you are thinking at a total HW cost of £780-799 for a very impressive VR experience, this sweetens the deal even further for many.

First: yes, for now... we will see what the future brings
Best: no, never
Cheaper / budget option: yes, always will be

This is an enthusiast gaming forum and I constantly hear the money argument. If this is your hobby why not go all in? Why limit yourself to a shitty setup? PC can be connected to a TV. Shocking, I know. It's 2022. You install a new game and it works. Same lame arguments from 360/PS3 era. That was 15 years ago, if you know you know.

 

[Panajev2001a]

First: yes, for now... we will see what the future brings
Best: no, never
Cheaper / budget option: yes, always will be

This is an enthusiast gaming forum and I constantly hear the money argument. If this is your hobby why not go all in? Why limit yourself to a shitty setup? PC can be connected to a TV. Shocking, I know. It's 2022. You install a new game and it works. Same lame arguments from 360/PS3 era. That was 15 years ago, if you know you know.

and 15 years later, like Linux on Desktop reigning, some of the reasons I stated above still may make the experience best on consoles too (and thank God for them too ). Then again best seems to be just isolated to graphics… it is not the first time this argument enters the console vs PCMR discussion .

For some PC setup, driver and OS updates, driver and game configs fiddling, etc… as well as the idea, shocking I know, of spending money on games instead of the HW make PC not the overall best experience…

 

[assurdum]

Even if it's a lazy port there's scope for this to look quite a bit better just by increasing the RT quality as it can be very very low quality on PS5.

120+fps will be nice too as it feels great with the unlocked framerate on PS5 which is like 80-100fps.

It's not in insomniacs games...

 

[MidGenRefresh]

For some PC setup, driver and OS updates, driver and game configs fiddling, etc… as well as the idea, shocking I know, of spending money on games instead of the HW make PC not the overall best experience…

I need to update my PC drivers far less than constant OS updates on PS5 or Series X. I wanted to play on my PS5 2 days ago and before I could jump into the game I had to:

a) download and install update for controller software by connecting it to the console and leaving it still
b) download and install update for system OS
c) download and install update for Gran Turismo 7

The times of seamless experience on consoles are long gone. It's not PS2 era where you pop in the disc and it just works. You need to worry about updates, patches, compromises between graphical presets, different game versions for different generations, confusing save transfers and other shit.

and 15 years later, like Linux on Desktop reigning, some of the reasons I stated above still may make the experience best on consoles too (and thank God for them too ). Then again best seems to be just isolated to graphics… it is not the first time this argument enters the console vs PCMR discussion .

It's a visual medium. Graphics are extremely important. And framerate is even more important than graphics. Fluidity and no input lag is king. Owning Series X, PS5 and PC with 3080 and would never pick a console version of a game that's also available on PC.

 

[captainnapalm]

Nice. Especially nice because it doesn't seem like new games come out much anymore these days.

 

[MidGenRefresh]

Nice. Especially nice because it doesn't seem like new games come out much anymore these days.

Very true. Everything is a remake of a remake or port of a port. Eh.

 

[yamaci17]

It's not in insomniacs games...

it is. there's an highly aggresive LOD culling and LOD detail downgrade in reflections (very natural) to stop GPU/CPU performance from crumbling. this is the case with most Ray Tracing games out there, whether they're running on PC or PS5 or Series X. Spiderman's PS5 version of ray tracing equivalent setting on PC will most likely be called RT Low. RT med/high will have better LODs but most PC hardware will crumble under those settings regardless. Most people wil refuse to play with a thing labeled RT Low, so I expect another meltdown like it happened with Hitman 3 (people refusing to use RT low reflections and call all RT hardware obsolete based on its RT high option, despite the option being targeted for future hardware)

https://imgsli.com/MTA5NjAx/1/0

 

[Panajev2001a]

compromises between graphical presets

Yeah, that is the kind of "let's customise the game" PC like stuff that muddled the experience, but you are greatly exaggerating the updates experience hassle on consoles, especially considering how actually hassle free it is (and many games can be played without mandatory updates too). The experience is still a lot more seamless on consoles and again it is also quite cost effective, but .

It's a visual medium. Graphics are extremely important. And framerate is even more important than graphics.

Sure, there are limits to that and being able to invest the extra money on games has its perks too. The hassle to get after those graphics on PC (for devs and gamers too) is worth to some, but not to others. We will have to agree to disagree here: PC has never been as good a platform as it is now and many gamers still prefer consoles as an overall platform… both have their great pro's and con's, we are not really enemies (well, well… aside from the people that would like locked down PC's with DRM protecting games from being modded… worst of both worlds).

 

[Topher]

Yeah, that is the kind of "let's customise the game" PC like stuff that muddled the experience, but you are greatly exaggerating the updates experience hassle on consoles, especially considering how actually hassle free it is (and many games can be played without mandatory updates too). The experience is still a lot more seamless on consoles and again it is also quite cost effective, but .

I think the "updates experience" on PC is exaggerated just as much, frankly. Is it slightly easier on console? Perhaps, but it isn't hard in either case.

 

[Panajev2001a]

I think the "updates experience" on PC is exaggerated just as much, frankly. Is it slightly easier on console? Perhaps, but it isn't hard in either case.

Overall much more hassle free (complexity and issues) and automated. Not saying PC is crap, but consoles are still more hassle free .

Some console customers can definitely accept and help worsen the console experience refusing to accept how it's limitations are its greatest strengths: more controller updates and QA policy enforced by the system vendor (can slow things down, but can help games' overall quality), single graphics presets / no configs options (limiting user preferences but pushing games to be more focused and have an optimal default players do not have to spend time in and out of configs to optimise the game for the dev), etc…

 

[Topher]

Overall much more hassle free (complexity and issues) and automated. Not saying PC is crap, but consoles are still more hassle free .

I don't see the "hassle" in either case.

 

[Panajev2001a]

I don't see the "hassle" in either case.

Eh .

 

[MidGenRefresh]

We will have to agree to disagree here: PC has never been as good a platform as it is now and many gamers still prefer consoles as an overall platform… both have their great pro's and con's, we are not really enemies (well, well… aside from the people that would like locked down PC's with DRM protecting games from being modded… worst of both worlds).

Many gamers prefer console for one reason only. Price. Yes, there are very few who prefer consoles for other reasons but that group is getting smaller and smaller. I spilled my oatmeal on my desk when I read that PC has never been a good platform. It has been a very good platform for a very long time and now it's the absolute best platform to play games. You get all Microsoft games day one. You get more and more Sony games. You can emulate to hell and back Nintendo and other platforms with emulators that have beautiful UI and UX. You get shit ton of amazing PC exclusives. And most importantly, you get decades of old games that still work on Windows 10.

Sure, there are limits to that and being able to invest the extra money on games has its perks too.

I don't know what are you trying to say? After paying the initial entry fee (buying hardware) games are way, way cheaper on PC. Again, I don't even want to go into the money argument. We're enthusiasts, right?

Yeah, that is the kind of "let's customise the game" PC like stuff that muddled the experience, but you are greatly exaggerating the updates experience hassle on consoles, especially considering how actually hassle free it is (and many games can be played without mandatory updates too). The experience is still a lot more seamless on consoles and again it is also quite cost effective, but .

What hassle? You know that all updates are installed automatically in the background? You don't even notice it. It's the same for PC and consoles. If anything, as the time goes on console experience is getting more frustrating and PC experience is getting more seamless. We've reach the point where these 2 worlds have met. You have to deal with he same amount of what you call "hassle" on PC as we do on consoles. Seriously, this whole argument is so stupid and so 2008.

 

[phil_t98]

Many gamers prefer console for one reason only. Price. Yes, there are very few who prefer consoles for other reasons but that group is getting smaller and smaller. I spilled my oatmeal on my desk when I read that PC has never been a good platform. It has been a very good platform for a very long time and now it's the absolute best platform to play games. You get all Microsoft games day one. You get more and more Sony games. You can emulate to hell and back Nintendo and other platforms with emulators that have beautiful UI and UX. You get shit ton of amazing PC exclusives. And most importantly, you get decades of old games that still work on Windows 10.



I don't know what are you trying to say? After paying the initial entry fee (buying hardware) games are way, way cheaper on PC. Again, I don't even want to go into the money argument. We're enthusiasts, right?



What hassle? You know that all updates are installed automatically in the background? You don't even notice it. It's the same for PC and consoles. If anything, as the time goes on console experience is getting more frustrating and PC experience is getting more seamless. We've reach the point where these 2 worlds have met. You have to deal with he same amount of what you call "hassle" on PC as we do on consoles. Seriously, this whole argument is so stupid and so 2008.

its the same people over and over stating how Sony isn't Multiplatform because they come out later on pc. a great game is still great 2 years down the line and on pc it can be tweaked a bit more to.

 

[TheGodfather07]

Why jump straight to the PS5 games, when there's plenty of money to be made bringing the big PS4 games over?
Ghost of Tsushima and Last of Us will likely make it as well, and then they'll start bringing the PS5 releases over.

Day and Date will happen eventually. The ports are hitting at a pretty fast rate.

Day and date is never happening for big single player 1st party games. They will always have an exclusivity period on PlayStation consoles first. That period may shorten over time though.

 

[Panajev2001a]

Many gamers prefer console for one reason only. Price. Yes, there are very few who prefer consoles for other reasons but that group is getting smaller and smaller. I spilled my oatmeal on my desk when I read that PC has never been a good platform. It has been a very good platform for a very long time and now it's the absolute best platform to play games. You get all Microsoft games day one. You get more and more Sony games. You can emulate to hell and back Nintendo and other platforms with emulators that have beautiful UI and UX. You get shit ton of amazing PC exclusives. And most importantly, you get decades of old games that still work on Windows 10.



I don't know what are you trying to say? After paying the initial entry fee (buying hardware) games are way, way cheaper on PC. Again, I don't even want to go into the money argument. We're enthusiasts, right?



What hassle? You know that all updates are installed automatically in the background? You don't even notice it. It's the same for PC and consoles. If anything, as the time goes on console experience is getting more frustrating and PC experience is getting more seamless. We've reach the point where these 2 worlds have met. You have to deal with he same amount of what you call "hassle" on PC as we do on consoles. Seriously, this whole argument is so stupid and so 2008.

We are going in circles, like discussing Linux on desktop. Want to stick to your guns fair, but the argument being from 2008 does not change things.

The PC experience is exactly as console like as Linux is ready to take over the desktop, almost there and yet not.

 

[phil_t98]

We are going in circles, like discussing Linux on desktop. Want to stick to your guns fair, but the argument being from 2008 does not change things.

The PC experience is exactly as console like as Linux is ready to take over the desktop, almost there and yet not.

end of the day pc may not be for you but many other prefer it and not its poss the best place to play games as they have Sonys and mircosofts on there.

I will always stick to consoles but its great for many others

 

[MidGenRefresh]

Want to stick to your guns fair, but the argument being from 2008 does not change things.

Wait, what? I thought you're supposed to be GAF's genius.

The argument being from 2008 changes everything because it's not 2008 anymore. It's 2022, genius.

Seriously, enjoy whatever you want to enjoy. I wish you a nice day, bye.

 

[Topher]

We are going in circles, like discussing Linux on desktop. Want to stick to your guns fair, but the argument being from 2008 does not change things.

The PC experience is exactly as console like as Linux is ready to take over the desktop, almost there and yet not.

Are you suggesting the difference between gaming on PC versus console as far as ease/hassle-free/etc is comparable to the Linux desktop experience versus Windows or Mac?

 

[OsirisBlack]

Are Forza Horizon 3 and Gears 5 any good? I just purchased a steering wheel and intend to use it on Forza Horizon 3 in the future.

I can't get into it and I have tried many times. Playing it on PC, Something about it just doesn't click for me.

 

[yamaci17]

Are you suggesting the difference between gaming on PC versus console as far as ease/hassle-free/etc is comparable to the Linux desktop experience versus Windows or Mac?

i have no idea where this misconception began. all games constantly crashing, games not responding, not launching.

i click and play %99 of the modern games. i really have no clue asto why my PC functions like a console, maybe i'm blessed or something

every discussion related to PC practically boils down to this argument.

 

[MidGenRefresh]

Are Forza Horizon 3 and Gears 5 any good? I just purchased a steering wheel and intend to use it on Forza Horizon 3 in the future.

Forza Horizon 3 is the greatest open world racer ever and one of the best racing games. Yes, it's good. It also had the best DLC ever for a racing game: Hot Wheels. Get it!

 

[Panajev2001a]

Wait, what? I thought you're supposed to be GAF's genius.

The argument being from 2008 changes everything because it's not 2008 anymore. It's 2022, genius.

Seriously, enjoy whatever you want to enjoy. I wish you a nice day, bye.

Thank you very much, the passive aggressive bit before helped as well. Not sure why you are getting so so aggressive and defensive without anyone going on the attack with you but sure I will enjoy what I enjoy .

(the time has changed and some things have gotten better on PC and some things grew more complicated on consoles, but the argument has not been invalidated: for many people managing a console and getting best performance out of their HW and games is still more hassle free than on PC… not all is served through Windows Updates, not always OS updates and driver updates are seamless/problem free and not all users keep PC's running as well as on a fresh install setup, but you know this… can you get better graphics and can you enjoy games modding on PC m? Yes… is that worth more than anything to some players? Yes… will looking down at console users as cheap-asses that do not invest much on their hobby or they spend the money needed for a GPU upgrade on shock games help the argument? Nope…).

Several posts ago I said let's agree to disagree, you want to keep going on the offensive, fine… fill your boots.