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[EatChildren]

Well obv it's far from being the worst of it.

Exploding relays honestly doesn't bother me at all, regardless of the lore required to make it work and the implications it has on the universe. Like, I'd totally buy the MacGuffin super weapon requiring the Citadel as a catalyst and, in turn, the energy of all relays to activate and spread it's Reaper killing signal throughout the galaxy. That I can deal with quite comfortably.

But people continually bring it up like it's a major problem. I'd say the entire unexplained Star Child nonsense and everything surrounding it is the real problem. ME3's ending problem, sans the lack of closure, is that it asks more questions than answers any, and puts the player in an unfair, vulnerable position spearheaded by cheap, thematically inconsistent plot devices. Everything from the moment the platform raises enters "and now this is happening" territory.

I guess BioWare wanted to create a mystery as to the future of the galaxy, they just went way too far in doing so.

I would be willing to bet money that Bioware's writing staff doesn't have a good editor, because any editor worth their salt wouldn't have let this shit slide.

Like I said earlier in the thread, I'm surprised producers let it happen, as the ending damages franchise longevity.

http://i.imgur.com/0oZNI.png[img][/QUOTE]

DLC mission where you play as a character on Earth, helping your squadmates escape, while Shepard is up in the Citadel doing her thing. There.

 

[hateradio]

They're going to make the ending worse. Mass suicide everywhere.

Or taken from the Evangelion backlash back in the 90s, death threats.


But since most of the players are already on suicide watch, I wouldn't be too worried.

 

[Riposte]

Space magic *shrug*. Of all things to do with the ending, exploding relays is the least of my problems.

IDK, exploding relays is kind of a big deal. It is the thing that basically dooms so many people (civilization as a whole, even) outside of the whole earth situation. Home planets and many colonies need intergalatic travel to survive.

 

[lastplayed]

They're going to make the ending worse. Mass suicide everywhere.

Like THE HAPPENING

 

[lastplayed]

Home planets and many colonies need intergalatic travel to survive.

Yeah good luck to Noveria. What a depressing place to be stranded.

 

[Treythalomew]

Like I said earlier in the thread, I'm surprised producers let it happen, as the ending damages franchise longevity.

This has been confusing me a lot. I was hyped for whatever could occur next in the ME universe and now I just feel tricked. I don't care about what the remainder of my crew is doing on that planet and I really don't care about throwing the universe thousands of years to a time where things might be alright again but the Reapers still exist.

 

[hateradio]

Yeah good luck to Noveria. What a depressing place to be stranded.

But is it any more depressing than being stranded without answers at the end of the game?

 

[Jake Tower]

Exploding relays honestly doesn't bother me at all, regardless of the lore required to make it work and the implications it has on the universe. Like, I'd totally buy the MacGuffin super weapon requiring the Citadel as a catalyst and, in turn, the energy of all relays to activate and spread it's Reaper killing signal throughout the galaxy. That I can deal with quite comfortably.

But people continually bring it up like it's a major problem. I'd say the entire unexplained Star Child nonsense and everything surrounding it is the real problem. ME3's ending problem, sans the lack of closure, is that it asks more questions than answers any, and puts the player in an unfair, vulnerable position spearheaded by cheap, thematically inconsistent plot devices. Everything from the moment the platform raises enters "and now this is happening" territory.

Here's an edited version of the ending that eliminates the Star Child and Normandy in the Land of the Lost part. Just add proper closure and it would be fine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZDDC7vhdug&list=LLvxtQENDZE_E6H5niIACfuA&index=5&feature=plpp_video

 

[EatChildren]

IDK, exploding relays is kind of a big deal. It is the thing that basically dooms so many people (civilization as a whole, even) outside of the whole earth situation. Home planets and many colonies need intergalatic travel to survive.

It is a huge deal for those reasons, but I'm okay with that. I discussed it earlier in the thread, but if the lore is correct the Krogan and maybe Turians could fly FTL speed back to their home planets in a few years, as unlikely as it would be given fuel/food reserves and difficulty of the flight.

I'm okay with a drastic change to the galaxy state, one that lays foundations for a new series, regardless of how miserable it is. But I'm not okay with how it was presented and explained.

 

[Thoraxes]

They're going to make the ending worse. Mass suicide everywhere.

I'm expecting retcons everywhere and they'll play it off like nothing happened.

 

[sleeprockss]

This is the only reason I could see there being more to the ending whether its indoctrination or whatever, I mean it's a major detail that is just glossed over without any answer.

 

[Jintor]

If they really have 'something in store' than it feels even more dirty. Never mind DLC chopping off characters that feel as though they are part of the story, what the hell is going to happen when a company knowingly chops off their own goddamn ending?

Even as free DLC, it's still going to feel unpalatable. Urgh.

 

[kurahador]

i'm one of those who don't necessarily hate the ending, abit disappointed maybe. :/

but if bioware still wants to keep the ending, i hope they release some sort of closure/epilogue dlc where we see all the characters and some sort of hint on how the society will progress from there.

 

[Gamer @ Heart]

Cut content is a natural part of game development, but if they cut stuff from the end that could have made some sense for what we saw, that just seems so wrong. They are all fans of the game, why would they approve such a thing? The worst thing about this tease from Bio ware is that there is a very very high chance we will have to pay for it, while they gouge us with overpriced multi player characters.

 

[Sotha Sil]

The endings obviously won't be changed, and I really wonder how their lack of diversity (Shepard dies in most scenarios - or survives the crash of the citadel, lulz, everybody's pretty much fucked) will affect the DLC sales. I would be down for new playthroughs and DLC missions if the soul-crushingly depressing endings provided some sense of closure, with varied cutscenes depending on the allies you brought along and post-Crucible exposition.

So, what says you? Will the thirst for new lore/gameplay be enough, or will the DLCs bomb?

 

[Bloodsent]

I seriously can't accept that BioWare would believe that ending the game (series) the way they did with the intention all along of doing a proper ending with more clarification through DLC was a good idea.

How can a company employed and run by creative, intelligent, and logical thinking people not foresee an irreversible backlash from the people they spent years trying to win over?

Even if there is an different ending via DLC that is wonderful and satisfying, BioWare won't win back a lot of the long time supporters (like myself) who have tried to give them the benefit of the doubt and a pass up until this point. They will only be making it worse.

 

[Hero]

Also, while the $12,000 is impressive. That's really not that much in terms of costs of game development.

To develop a new ending, we are talking about hundreds of thousands of dollars if not a million or two.

I doubt it costs that much and even if it does they should factor that into their DLC. Because as it is I can't see many players buying future DLC that does not alter the ending.

I had no idea what Thane was thinking, running to cereal ninja like that. He had a gun. Duder had a knife.

Yeah, I had an issue with that as well. I was like "Uh, dude, you have a gun. Why are you running towards a ninja with a sword?"

 

[hateradio]

I'm expecting retcons everywhere and they'll play it off like nothing happened.

Exactly, they'll say it was part of their plan, and that the players were overreacting, which some are, but for good reason.

Even if there is an different ending via DLC that is wonderful and satisfying, BioWare won't win back a lot of the long time supporters (like myself) who have tried to give them the benefit of the doubt and a pass up until this point. They will only be making it worse.

I think most would be willing to run back into the arms of Shep and the gang without hesitation.

 

[Metroidvania]

If they really have 'something in store' than it feels even more dirty. Never mind DLC chopping off characters that feel as though they are part of the story, what the hell is going to happen when a company knowingly chops off their own goddamn ending?

Even as free DLC, it's still going to feel unpalatable. Urgh.

If they do, I'm sure it will be "because they wanted to get the entire community involved in discussion without spoiling the true ending for those who haven't played it yet."

Lol. It's gonna be hard to explain that for people who don't have constant internet access or are online on their console all the time.

Yeah, I had an issue with that as well. I was like "Uh, dude, you have a gun. Why are you running towards a ninja with a sword?"

Because guns are for cowards something something why didn't Shepard just shoot Kai Leng when he and Thane had their staredown before running at each other?

 

[EatChildren]

So, what says you? Will the thirst for new lore/gameplay be enough, or will the DLCs bomb?

A good question, and I honestly don't know. If it's good, I'll buy it, because I still like the universe and gameplay enough to want more. I know people who feel the same way, their souls uncrushed by the ending. But on the other hand, a lot of people do feel the wind has been blown out of their sails. It's finished, and not in the way they hoped. DLC missions giving more exposure to random things they perceive as meaningless won't be worth buying.

I don't think EA has ever commented on DLC sales, so we'll probably never know.

 

[Lucius86]

It's nice to see the money going to charity. Yes, it is utterly stupid the concept of DLC being used to change the game's ending, and I seriously hope Bioware do NOT do this - but it does help show how crap their take on the conclusion to the Mass Effect trilogy really was.

 

[Riposte]

Kinetic shields would be the best explanation for that cutscene, however I doubt that is what they intended.

EDIT: Ha, ha, weird typo.

 

[Bloodsent]

I think most would be willing to run back into the arms of Shep and the gang without hesitation.

This is not in question, but the damage to goodwill and faith in BioWare from this point forward will have already been done.

 

[Rokam]

Kinect shields would be the best explanation for that cutscene, however I doubt that is what they intended.

I'm not sure how motion controls could've made it any better.

 

[hateradio]

This is not in question, but the damage to goodwill and faith in BioWare from this point forward will have already been done.

Most people don't think about the long run. You realize that BW can't do amazing things at every turn.

I've been burned by BW before, and I've learned to accept it. I guess.

It's an ending. A bad one, but that's all it is. People will get over it.

 

[Dacon]

I really cannot express with words how much I don't want to PAY for a good ending.

I have already spent a great deal of money on the franchise due to the investment I've put into the characters and the gameplay, and for that reason it makes me very desperate for proper closure.

If they did release a dlc ending I would probably buy it, and hate myself for it, because it sets a terrible precedent.

I mean hey, if Bioware can get away with it, how long will it be before other companies try to pull the same shit.

 

[Sotha Sil]

I don't think EA has ever commented on DLC sales, so we'll probably never know.

Ah, right. Nevermind, then.

 

[LightofRohan]

Damn, I hate this ending even more now. My poor GF played this whole series (her first whole series) and she finally finished it, with her pink nicely kept paragon Shepard and at the end she was balling because she was trying to do the right thing, but it killed her Shepard and everyone she loved in the game. Bioware are dicks... who are they pleasing the ending with? I understand creative freedom and doing whatever the hell you want, but a game about choices/morals they really did not give a shit at the end about the player.

I really cannot express with words how much I don't want to PAY for a good ending.

I have already spent a great deal of money on the franchise due to the investment I've put into the characters and the gameplay, and for that reason it makes me very desperate for proper closure.

If they did release a dlc ending I would probably buy it, and hate myself for it, because it sets a terrible precedent.

I mean hey, if Bioware can get away with it, how long will it be before other companies try to pull the same shit.

I know it sucks, but you really have no other choice. And it's no way Biowares fault either if they charge for it. Put yourself in their place, having to go to your publisher that has given you millions upon millions of dollars to make your creation and then ask them for say ~500k more because you screwed up the ending and telling them you are fixing it for free. It doesn't work that way and if you truly don't want to pay for it, start petition them to keep the ending how it is...

 

[hateradio]

Damn, I hate this ending even more now. My poor GF played this whole series (her first whole series) and she finally finished it, with her pink nicely kept paragon Shepard and at the end she was balling because she was trying to do the right thing, but it killed her Shepard and everyone she loved in the game. Bioware are dicks... who are they pleasing the ending with? I understand creative freedom and doing whatever the hell you want, but a game about choices/morals they really did not give a shit at the end about the player.

What would Shepard do?

 

[LightofRohan]

What would Shepard do?

Whatadidawat now?

Not to mention the fact that the Citadel EXPLODES in the destroy ending. How the fuck is he still alive after that one?

Well the body that breaths looks like it never left London. Shyamalaned

 

[PinkCrayon]

Not to mention the fact that the Citadel EXPLODES in the destroy ending. How the fuck is she still alive after that one?

 

[Jake Tower]

Not to mention the fact that the Citadel EXPLODES in the destroy ending. How the fuck is he still alive after that one?

It was all an indoctrination hallucination.

Real Ending™ DLC coming soon!

 

[Replicant]

They're going to make the ending worse. Mass suicide everywhere.

They're going to give us more fucked up ending like Gainax did when the fans protested Evangelion TV ending. We'll get ending with giant crosses, giant Liara, auto-erotic strangulation, and everyone turning into a giant puddle.

 

[PastorOfMuppets]

For newcomers to the thread, here's the real end credits: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99kS02nPoEM&list=LLvxtQENDZE_E6H5niIACfuA&index=4&feature=plpp_video

Ha, love it.

I dunno if anyone here frequents the NeoGaf Steam chat room (it can get a bit weird so I understand the reluctance) but I jokingly spoiled the Mass Effect 3 endings a couple days before the official release by saying that the game would with the camera zooming out on a snowglobe with a scale model of the Normandy against a starry backdrop being held by an autistic kid. The final credits would have The Linkin Park song playing in the backdrop.

Little did I know at the time that that was going to be a superior ending to the one we actually got. :-/

 

[Tajin]

They're going to give us more fucked up ending like Gainax did when the fans protested Evangelion TV ending. We'll get ending with giant crosses, giant Liara, auto-erotic strangulation, and everyone turning into a giant puddle.

Then we'll get a whole series reboot!

 

[Zeal]

Sorry, but the theme that plays as you escape the Collector Base in ME2 is still the most epic track played in gaming history.

 

[Metroidvania]

Hope/Trolling springs eternal, thanks to 4chan.

http://social.bioware.com/forum/Mas...EDICULOUS-claimbutif-trueHope--9919883-1.html

It'd be awesome if by the longest of long shots it was true, but I doubt Bioware's thought any DLC of this magnitude that far out and yet had not expected any backlash without an explanation of some sort of the current ending.

On another note, donations for childplay are up to 28k.

edit: Check this shit out. Someone posted it a long while back, and I just got around to listening to it. Def worth a listen, imo. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4h8_F-_a6ko

 

[Minion101]

They're going to give us more fucked up ending like Gainax did when the fans protested Evangelion TV ending. We'll get ending with giant crosses, giant Liara, auto-erotic strangulation, and everyone turning into a giant puddle.

The End of Evangelion is one of the most depressing movies. It WAS a new ending though. People got what they wanted.

 

[Sojgat]

I seriously can't accept that BioWare would believe that ending the game (series) the way they did with the intention all along of doing a proper ending with more clarification through DLC was a good idea.

How can a company employed and run by creative, intelligent, and logical thinking people not foresee an irreversible backlash from the people they spent years trying to win over?

Even if there is an different ending via DLC that is wonderful and satisfying, BioWare won't win back a lot of the long time supporters (like myself) who have tried to give them the benefit of the doubt and a pass up until this point. They will only be making it worse.

Look at the backlash against the "dumbing down" of ME2 and then at how well the DLC still sells. This is also why there has never been a "game of the year" edition of ME2. Those in charge at Bioware and EA probably think that no matter what fans say on the internet, they will eat up the DLC like they always have. I say this time they might have just miscalculated... a lot.

 

[kurahador]

They're going to give us more fucked up ending like Gainax did when the fans protested Evangelion TV ending. We'll get ending with giant crosses, giant Liara, auto-erotic strangulation, and everyone turning into a giant puddle.

don't forget that "holy shit is that a giant vagina??" moment.
that being said, i actually liked End of EVA movie for its wtf-ness.

 

[LightofRohan]

So... wtf is the state of this thread now?

It was complete shock/disbelief, into humor/pity, now it seems like mild sadness/acceptance. What's next?

 

[SDBurton]

Playing renegade FemShep right now, and just came clean with Garrus about sabotaging the genophage, killing Mordin, and killing Wrex at the Citadel. Sooo good.

 

[Empty Space]

So... wtf is the state of this thread now?

It was complete shock/disbelief, into humor/pity, now it seems like mild sadness/acceptance. What's next?

.

 

[Zeal]

Hope/Trolling springs eternal, thanks to 4chan.

http://social.bioware.com/forum/Mas...EDICULOUS-claimbutif-trueHope--9919883-1.html

It'd be awesome if by the longest of long shots it was true, but I doubt Bioware's thought any DLC of this magnitude that far out and yet had not expected any backlash without an explanation of some sort of the current ending.

On another note, donations for childplay are up to 28k.

edit: Check this shit out. Someone posted it a long while back, and I just got around to listening to it. Def worth a listen, imo. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4h8_F-_a6ko

If this is real, biggest holy shit mind blown ever.

 

[LightofRohan]

Hope/Trolling springs eternal, thanks to 4chan.

http://social.bioware.com/forum/Mas...EDICULOUS-claimbutif-trueHope--9919883-1.html

It'd be awesome if by the longest of long shots it was true, but I doubt Bioware's thought any DLC of this magnitude that far out and yet had not expected any backlash without an explanation of some sort of the current ending.

On another note, donations for childplay are up to 28k.

edit: Check this shit out. Someone posted it a long while back, and I just got around to listening to it. Def worth a listen, imo. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4h8_F-_a6ko

Wow that would make a lot of sense, it being free I don't believe however -- unless Bioware proved that sales of the MP packs are greatly benificial and keeping a happy community will continue those sales. It would also make sense why Hudson so outright contradicted himself in interviews ect.

We must hold onto hope.

So... wtf is the state of this thread now?

It was complete shock/disbelief, into humor/pity, now it seems like mild sadness/acceptance. What's next?

Next stage. Hope!

@emptyspace - lol that's great

 

[Metroidvania]

So... wtf is the state of this thread now?

It was complete shock/disbelief, into humor/pity, now it seems like mild sadness/acceptance. What's next?

I think it's looped back around to humor, but moreso on the acceptance side as opposed to the disappointed side.

Seems to briefly fall back into discussion whenever someone new comes into the thread and says either yay/nay to the ending.

Also, EatChildren is neutral-ish on the ending, while Duckroll agrees with the "it was stupid" camp.

edit: see the comic above, lol.

 

[EatChildren]

Hope/Trolling springs eternal, thanks to 4chan.

http://social.bioware.com/forum/Mas...EDICULOUS-claimbutif-trueHope--9919883-1.html

It'd be awesome if by the longest of long shots it was true, but I doubt Bioware's thought any DLC of this magnitude that far out and yet had not expected any backlash without an explanation of some sort of the current ending.

On another note, donations for childplay are up to 28k.

I see the bargaining phase continues.

 

[Dresden]

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Stage Six: Indoctrination

I don't know what I'd do if Bioware did indeed release the "real" ending. It's such a scummy practice that I'd be against it almost completely . . . but it'd be so hard to resist. And knowing Bioware it'd never be free.

 

[Blue Ninja]

Exploding relays honestly doesn't bother me at all, regardless of the lore required to make it work and the implications it has on the universe. Like, I'd totally buy the MacGuffin super weapon requiring the Citadel as a catalyst and, in turn, the energy of all relays to activate and spread it's Reaper killing signal throughout the galaxy. That I can deal with quite comfortably.

But people continually bring it up like it's a major problem. I'd say the entire unexplained Star Child nonsense and everything surrounding it is the real problem. ME3's ending problem, sans the lack of closure, is that it asks more questions than answers any, and puts the player in an unfair, vulnerable position spearheaded by cheap, thematically inconsistent plot devices. Everything from the moment the platform raises enters "and now this is happening" territory.

I guess BioWare wanted to create a mystery as to the future of the galaxy, they just went way too far in doing so.



Like I said earlier in the thread, I'm surprised producers let it happen, as the ending damages franchise longevity.



DLC mission where you play as a character on Earth, helping your squadmates escape, while Shepard is up in the Citadel doing her thing. There.

EatChildren knows what's up.

 

[Zeal]

The plot thickens. There is definitely hope for a better ending.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ru3upc8o2e878p1/Mlg_2EJJTD/me3.PNG

Hold the line.