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Metal Gear Solid 4 |OT| No Place to Hide, No Time for a Legend to FoxDie
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overthehill99
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Does anyone know how to do the pat down/ball grab CQC move when you hold up an PMC? Did they take that out?
bigben85 said:
There's seriously hardly any backlash in this thread compared to other games. The praise is near universal.
Elios: Your first point is the point I still don't understand. If
EVA reconstructed Big Boss, how did she think Solidus' pyx was big boss?
Unless it was stolen from her again at some point and she recently got back a decoy.
AndresON777
shooting blanks
Baha said:
seriously? i mean i got the knife kills and cqc already but i must have like 200 alerts...
As much as I'm enjoying the game right now, I can understand why some people may not enjoy it. That said, none of the complaints against the game have ruined my enjoyment of this game or the series, I just wish more people wouldn't get so bent out of shape over reviews or complaints (not necessarily here mind you).
Finally, to all of you complaining about the lack of codec calls, they are there. BUT you have to make the call at the right time. Throughout act 4 for example,
Finally, to all of you complaining about the lack of codec calls, they are there. BUT you have to make the call at the right time. Throughout act 4 for example,
if you call otacon during specific parts of the level, you'll chat about mgs1 moments. My favorite, Otacon calling Snake "the shit" :lol .
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
It's there alright.Blu_LED said:
http://www.gametrailers.com/player/usermovies/229178.html?playlist=featured
For anybody wanting to know what the requirements are for each emblem, IGN has a really comprehensive list.
http://uk.guides.ign.com/guides/714044/page_6.html
http://uk.guides.ign.com/guides/714044/page_6.html
AndresON777
shooting blanks
firehawk12 said:
she's a backstabbing cunt, i'm just in act 4 though...i think she changed her mind on the airship and didnt upload the virus or whatever, but when she got to the city in eastern europe.....on the ground, she changed her mind again and decided to betray snake/otacon and contacted liquid, btw is she vamp's girl or something?
rollingstart
Banned
Y2Kev said:
Maybe
she needed to believe it to fool The Patriots into thinking Big Boss was really dead. She knew she was gonna die anyway because of the foxdie.
SleazyC said:
Don't forget that she burnt herself alive trying to save that thing, I don't know but the ending makes the events in Act 3 so confusing... Big Boss also says that Liquid/Ocelot, Eva and then himself soon after were killed by the virus but this is not true at least for what concerns EVA.
Moreover is it safe to say that the new virus was injected by Drebin under the Patriot's orders to try to kill Liquid?
Moreover is it safe to say that the new virus was injected by Drebin under the Patriot's orders to try to kill Liquid?
Elios83 said:
EVA was only in contact with Snake for a matter of hours. Based on how long it takes Big Boss to croak, it's possible that the new FOXDIE is just a bit slower and EVA died before FOXDIE killed her.
I'm not entirely convinced it's not an act. The women of Metal Gear all make the ultimate sacrifice for their organizations. Except Meryl. But she married Akiba, so that's kind of a sacrifice.
I'm not entirely convinced it's not an act. The women of Metal Gear all make the ultimate sacrifice for their organizations. Except Meryl. But she married Akiba, so that's kind of a sacrifice.
Mr. Spinnington
Banned
no, you guys just found a plothole; that's allY2Kev said:
they happen when a series goes one game at a time and then the producers try to add depth later ; /
Attack You said:Honestly, you probably could've finished that part in the time it took you to login and post this.
Also, KojiPro must really resent Twin Snakes or something to have used all the original MGS assets in the flashbacks.I guess they're either really proud of them, or they just like showing off how far the technology has come.Understandable why they used original MGS assets for the playable flashback in Act 4, though.
The new assests found in Twin Snakes are partly nintendo owned, making them a no no in a Sony game.
dalin80 said:
Equip a shotgun with vortex rings to handle the soldiers climbing up the side of the stryker. Throw chaffs to not allow the power-suit soldiers to fire on you or just duck behind the turret to minimize the damage. Gekko's do not count towards your kills so you can take them out, just be careful not to shoot any soldiers around them.
Elios83 said:
I am pretty certain that Ocelot knew that he was stealing Solidus' body instead of Big Boss'. Everything in the game from MGS1 and onwards was a very intricate and complex plan to destroy the SOP system that the Patriots had setup. Ocelot never had any intention to fire the rail gun and destroy JD (Big Boss said this at the end of the game I think) so I don't see why it isn't out of the option to think that both him and Eva took extra precautions to make sure no one knew what they were doing.
Y2Kev said:
That still doesn't explain why EVA decides to suicide herself trying to save something she should know it's not the body of Big Boss.
And Ocelot? Did he know the body he was thiefing was not that of Big Boss? Did he actually use it or the fact they managed to make GW run again thus conquering SOP from the inside made to the attack option using the Big Boss datas useless?
And Ocelot? Did he know the body he was thiefing was not that of Big Boss? Did he actually use it or the fact they managed to make GW run again thus conquering SOP from the inside made to the attack option using the Big Boss datas useless?
rollingstart
Banned
Y2Kev said:
Yeah, it is never explained, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen.
I think she did die because of the foxdie and was acting it all out. At first I thought she knew it was Solidus and still was upset since he was her son...but that would be a bit much.
Mr. Spinnington
Banned
i'm talking about the fact that
, only for players to find out later that
. it was a trick to make people feel things that looks like it's backfired, with the way it's being justified.
a story shouldn't need justification, it should make sense the first time
EVA sacrificed herself for solidus' body as if it were big boss
not only is big boss alive, but that one of the people who reconstructed him was EVA herself
a story shouldn't need justification, it should make sense the first time
It doesn't matter.Elios83 said:
Ocelot just needed Big Boss' code...and Solidus' was good enough as he is the only exact clone. They needed his code to hack into SOP. The first act they use Liquid's blood, the second, Snake's (see that Naomi draws it), and the third they finally use Solidus/Big Boss'.
The EVA thing could have been an act. She was going to die anyway. She said so twice before.
The EVA thing could have been an act. She was going to die anyway. She said so twice before.
Mr. Spinnington said:
There are a number of ideas we're tossing around, from it being an act to the body being stolen away and EVA recovering only a part of it.
Absinthe (Permed)
Banned
I never found the camera. Where is it at?
Mr. Spinnington
Banned
no, but what we're looking for is an explanation, and all people are giving is justification in the absence of reasonY2Kev said:
in any case, if something is justified to a person, then it is reasonable and easily explained. if not, then the term is called guessing, which is poor storytelling in my book
rollingstart
Banned
Mr. Spinnington said:
It was explained by Big Boss himself at the end that what killed Ocelot, EVA and himself was the new foxdie in Snake. Ocelot wasn't killed from being beat up by Snake, EVA wasn't killed by the fire, and Big Boss didn't die from old age. The idea that everyone had to assume a role to trick to AI helps back up the point that EVA was playing out her role.
Mr. Spinnington
Banned
that's a pretty long shot that they were all in on it together, let alone that it would be so intricateLinkzg said:
Linkzg said:
also about EVA dying of foxdie. I'm not 100% sure, but i doubt she has nanomachines so foxdie was going to kill her not the fire.
Also, she had to pretend to save big boss' body because what would snake think. Snake would ask why did you just let him die like that and not try and rescue him if you loved him and tried so hard to rescue his body previously just to let him die like that. She fought so hard to get big boss' body before (what she told snake) so its only natural she would try and save it from a fire. well that's my take on it.
Also, she had to pretend to save big boss' body because what would snake think. Snake would ask why did you just let him die like that and not try and rescue him if you loved him and tried so hard to rescue his body previously just to let him die like that. She fought so hard to get big boss' body before (what she told snake) so its only natural she would try and save it from a fire. well that's my take on it.
rollingstart
Banned
Mr. Spinnington said:
They were up against
an AI that had control over governments, soldiers, weapons, etc...
Anyone know where to get Chaff Grenades? I have one or two, but I can't purchase them from Drebin for some reason. And I think I'm gonna need a bunch of them
without getting an alert (I'm playing through to get the stealth camo.)
to get through the drone and Gekko parts later in the game
MiamiWesker
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Elios83 said:
Yes that was shown in a flashback. Interesting conversation here, I was having the same questions.
How about this one back from MGS2
Why did Ocelot play along with the Patroits like he did in that game, was it cause he was a slave to them until Liquid took over?
Mr. Spinnington
Banned
yeah dude, but that's like arguing the ending subplot whereLinkzg said:
rose reveals she's been pretending to be campbell's wife for 5 years-- even pre-emptively beginning with the miscarriage to fool raiden into thinking he had no son. she risked her entire future, as well as roy's reputation on the sole prospect of everything going according to plan in mgs4
i mean come on
dollartaco
Member
The only ones I found were outside of the facility...
rollingstart
Banned
Mr. Spinnington said:
Well,
I did think the whole Rose thing was a bit much. I mean, then was she lying about Raiden being a drunk? that would make sense since after MGS2 he saved sunny, met up with Big Mama, and at one point got so hurt that he needed to become a cyborg to survive. I don't know. Rose was a bit weird in the game.
MiamiWesker
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And another thing
Did liquid have control or Ocelot, or did it fluctuate. Liquid seemed to want to take over the world, in doing so it would destroy the Patriots and BB and company knew Snake could take out Liquid when the time came. But the end makes it seem like that was all setup. So Liquid wasn't trying to take over the world, his act of massacre at the end of act 3 was for good. That does't make sense. I say Liquid was in control, he was a loose cannon until the end.
MiamiWesker said:
I think its because he wanted to get GW so he could move to the next steps in his plans. GW was a huge key to alot of the events that occurred in MGS4.
MiamiWesker said:
Liquid never had control over Ocelot. It was all Ocelot playing a role to trick the Patriots. Boss says this at the end and Ocelot himself says he was a doppelganger of Liquid during the last battle.
MiamiWesker
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Linkzg said:
Seems to me like Rose just wanted to protect her baby from the Patriots, she was taken by them before. Raiden was still involved, she couldn't be near him, I guess.
Mr. Spinnington
Banned
why would she be so obvious about this now when she's been trying as hard as Linkzg is proposing thatY2Kev said:
everyone involved was doing in order to keep the AI fooled
all i'm saying is that if there were ever any great examples of hideo trying to make ends meet in the mgs storyline, it's in mgs4--moreso than mgs2 at points. he's tried to cram so much in that the characters are weak and half of the plot is too convoluted, while other major events are left to our imaginations as to why they went down the way they did
at the end of the day he most likely felt that he either did a satisfactory job in revealing all the secrets of the series, or decided that the fanbase would accept whatever they saw as fact
Kccitystar
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I just realized why there is a lack of codec, and honestly I don't get the complaints people throw around:
There isn't exactly anyone worth talking to with Snake as time has passed 7 years since MGS2. Everybody has lost touch or has died (Raiden, Naomi, etc.) and the only person he keeps in touch with has been the Colonel, Rose, and his only friend Otacon.
MiamiWesker
Member
SleazyC said:
So he kills a ton of people for fun just to act. Wouldn't the whole point of getting Liquids arm onto him be that he could be free of the Patriots, no need to play along with them.
PuppetMaster
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I've never seen so many people on my friends list playing the same game before.
If this game doesn't break all PS3 records, I don't know what will.
If this game doesn't break all PS3 records, I don't know what will.
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